Time running out to make Europe get it right

by upotian dreamer Tue Apr 29, 2003 09:27

Yes Lily "we might just get something we want" You mean like more 'security' laws limits to privacy, curtails on the internet and a worse cop superstate than we already have.

by Lily de Sylva Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:09 lilydesylva at hotmail dot com

I do realise that the chances are slim that we can get what we want,but they are even slimmer if we don't at least try.Are you naive enough to suppose that demonstration is recognised as part of the political process?You may recall that despite demonstrations by millions across the world to stop the war in Iraq,it happened anyway. Gratifying though it is to carp about the failings of government,and it changes nothing.The only way to force government to recognise your views is to submit them formally,and that only works if plenty of people are doing it.So if you don't want a police state,erosion of your civil rights,and governments that only represent their corporate best mates,you have to demand legislation to prevent it.We play into government hands by our dissafectation.Every time we fail to vote or use what few democratic rights we do have,the opposition to corrupt government is diminished and their apparent majority increases accordingly.This is how Thatchers Tories got themselves a 17 year free lunch in the U.K. too many people who should have been undermining them sat at home staring into the middle distance.Any imrovements in civil rights,environmental laws, employment rights and anti-discrimination law for years has come from the E.U.,not the people, probably because the E.U. can hit its' member states in the pocket,their most sensitive spot.If we don't use our rights to influence E.U. policy,you can be sure that they will disappear.So fill up their offices with your demands and really make our bent governments their problem.Restricting your political protest to the streets gets you riot police with no numbers.Happy with that?

by Fergal O'H Tue Apr 29, 2003 22:12

The only progressive legislation whether it relating to the environment/ working conditions arrived here courtesy of the EU.

Slagging the EU is on the same level as asking what the Romans ever did for us...