Masters of (spin) War: Israeli Tactics for Now in Infowar

by kokomero Tue Apr 29, 2003 18:47

The sophistication of the logic in the document is indeed interesting and worth a read.

It is also of note that while the expectation in the document is, that rehtorical questions will disarm all of critics of Israel, there is no recognition that such a question will simply be ignored or bypassed.

This is once more an example of supremacist thinking causing people to underestimate their opponents. American journalists are not Jeremy Paxman and are looking for soundbites not reasoned argument, a silence or change of subject will more than likely be edited out.

Has anybody on this site every received a satistactory answer from a Zionist to any difficult questions about Israeli activities?

by reo Tue Apr 29, 2003 18:51

all the zionists I have talked to are a million times the intelligence of you leftie types.
You can say zionist but you cannot say jew.
www.ihr.org
www.nowarforisrael.com

by hi Wed Apr 30, 2003 09:26

"zionists" are people who support the EXISTENCE of israel. All normal, civilized people, especially those who are aware of the horrible stuff the world put jews through over hte last 1500 years, should support such a thing.

You can be a zionist (supporting israel's EXISTENCE) and be against stuff the israeli government does.

Israel's occupation is because of the actions of the Palestinians that force it to continue.

After 19 years of being attacked, and in preparing for a giant war against them, Israel, in a defensive, pre-emptive strike, took the land being used to attack them.

After peace was reached with Egypt and Jordan, Israel returned the Sinai, which is more than 50% of the land they won in the war.

The PLO was formed several years BEFORE Israel won the 1967 war. The PLO's goal is to "liberate," but liberate what? They sought to liberate the land Israel owned already, before the 1967 war even took place. Their goal was to "liberate" all land from all Jews and put it in the hands of Arabs.

Of course, the FACT that over 75% of "historical Palestine" was turned into transjordan, now the country called Jordan, seems to be left out. Israel, the West bank and gaza strip combine to be under 25% of what was called the "Palestinian territory." When people talk about "Palestinian history," if they want a Palestinian state, Jordan is it. Should a state be formed on the West bank and gaza, it would be a second "Palestinian" state. There's no ethnic or cultural difference between the human beings that make up Jordan and the human beings that live in the West bank or gaza, other than current political situations.

So, Israel won the 1967 war and held onto some of the land, returning the Sinai when given peace.

In the 1970's, the PLO kept attacking Israel, and led by Arafat began ruthless terrorism campaigns, PUBLICALLY STATING their goal of destroying Israel. Israel demanded peace and an end to the attacks, but were met with constant attacks. You don't unoccupy land when the representatives of that land, the PLO, continue to call for your destruction. First you receive peace, AND THEN you unoccupy.

In the 1980's, the PLO kept attacking Israel, and led by Arafat began ruthless terrorism campaigns, PUBLICALLY STATING their goal of destroying Israel. Israel demanded peace and an end to the attacks, but were met with constant attacks. You don't unoccupy land when the representatives of that land, the PLO, continue to call for your destruction. First you receive peace, AND THEN you unoccupy.

In the 1990's, the PLO kept attacking Israel, and led by Arafat began ruthless terrorism campaigns, PUBLICALLY STATING their goal of destroying Israel. Israel demanded peace and an end to the attacks, but were met with constant attacks. You don't unoccupy land when the representatives of that land, the PLO, continue to call for your destruction. First you receive peace, AND THEN you unoccupy.

FINALLY, in the 1990's, Arafat, who was getting old and began to realize that his outright attacks weren't working anymore, realized that he needed to pretend to be an OK guy now, and gain some ground in order to kill Israel later. So, he swore that he had changed, and that he no longer wanted the Jews of Israel wiped out, now he was willing to tolerate their existence as long as the Palestinians got their own state, too. Something they could have had long ago, but were too busy attacking Israel even when Israel wasn't occupying an ounce of the land that Palestinians could have made into their own state.

So, Israel gave Arafat money, armed thousands of his police, put over 90% of control of the West bank and Gaza strip into his hands, and gave him a chance to show that he would fight Palestinian terrorists and arrest them, so Israel wouldn't have to.

Did it work? No. Arafat's friends continued to be terrorists, they continued to make it clear that Israel's destruction was more important to them than peace and two neighbor states, and Israel continued to receive attacks intentionally targeting innocent people.

When Israel offered to remove jewish settlers from "arab land," and to permanently put control of the West bank and Gaza strip in the hands of the Palestinians, what was the response? Palestinians began another idiotic, self-destructive terrorist intifada, and AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS, the result was ariel sharon getting elected, and Israel being forced to clamp down and hunt terrorists down themselves. The intifada began months before Ariel Sharon was voted into office. The only reason Sharon was elected was because the intifada was a clear statement to Israel that Palestinians would rather have war than their own terrorist-free state.

The situation in Palestinian land today is entirely due to the actions of Palestinian "leaders" and terrorist groups. It's a response. Palestinians had a good thing going several years ago, they were going to get their own state, settlements were going to be removed, but because the peace offer from Israel wasn't 100% "perfect," they threw it all away, began their crazed intifada, and refuse to call it off, even though it's resulted in the destruction of everything they had gained in the 1990's.

Palestinians are brainwashed. Their religious leaders teach them that Jews, whether Israeli or not, are evil and not to be tolerate. Their political leaders - Arafat, Hamas, etc. - teach them the same thing. Their schools teach Palestinian children that Israel must be destroyed, that it someday will not exist, and the people behind its destruction will be heros, etc.

Arab countries don't know how to deal with the Palestinians, either. Palestinians terrorized Jordan, Lebanon and Kuwait years ago. When King Hussein of Jordan had had enough of Palestinian terror, in the early 1970's, Jordan killed about 4000 Palestinians in a month. Palestinians cry and call it "Black September" - because lots of non-terrorist Palesitnians died as well, but Jordan saw it as the only way of dealing with them. Perhaps Israel should have tried the same thing, just blasting the hell out of them every time they attacked Israel.

A REVIEW OF PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP THAT IS THE CAUSE OF ISRAEL'S RESPONSES:

Arafat talks about this final solution.

Arafat's speech in Sweden in 1996.
Arafat’s speech in front of 40 Arab diplomats in the Grand Hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on January 30, 1996. Was called "The Impending Collapse of Israel".
"We will take over everything including all of Jerusalem," he declared repeatedly. Arafat's plan has two main components aimed to cause the Jews to abandon Israel. "Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem. Arafat explained that this will be the beginning of a pressure campaign resulting within a few years in Israel's ultimate destruction. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!"

On the same day in 1993 on which Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of
Principles on the White House lawn, he spoke the following words on Jordan TV:
"Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

After the Tel Aviv massacre on January 12th, where 2 Palestinian homicide bombers massacred 23 Israeli civilians. The PLO web site posted a statement -- celebrating the attacks:
"With faith in the calling of holy jihad," it said, "two suicide attackers . . . succeeded this evening to infiltrate the Zionist roadblocks and to enter the heart of . . . Tel Aviv and carried out two consecutive suicide attacks... These suicide attacks caused a large number of fatalities and casualties in the center of the Zionist occupation of our land. We swear before our people that additional suicide operations will occur."
That is a view with which much of Arab opinion concurs. ArabicNews.com, for example, datelined its story on the Tel Aviv attack "Palestine-Israel," and reported that the bombings had killed "23 Israeli settlers." http://www.jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby011003.asp

After the disco massacre last year, which murdered 21 Israeli school girls, a German TV station interviewed the father of the homicide bomber, who showed a letter he received from Arafat, where Arafat praised and glorified his son's actions. Its good to know, Edward Herman thinks Arafat who praises when Palestinians slaughter Israeli woman and children is a man of peace. http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=palestinian&ID=SP23701

Following the murderous terrorist attack on Kibbutz Metzer, the PLO cold-bloodedly stated on its official website, "We will continue to strike in any place, targeting their children as well." Five innocent Israelis, including a mother and her two little boys, were butchered in that attack, all of them, Fatah said, "Zionist colonizers" killed in a "qualitative operation in the settlement of Metzer." http://www.jnewswire.com/editorial/02/11/021121_hollow_condemnations.htm

Palestinians and Arabs talks how they want to exterminate the Jews.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-120601holy.story
Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this. "I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics."

Another link to this story of Hamas calling for extermination of Jews. http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20011207/60241.html
At that conference, organized by the Muslim Arab Youth Association, Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, introduced as the head of Hamas' military wing, told the crowd: "Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all. Exterminate them. No peace ever."

Syrian Defence Minister Mustafa Tlass, In May 2001 stated on Lebanon television, that if every Arab kills one Jew, there will be no Jews left at all. http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/arabpress0501.html

Hamas terrorist chief Sheikh Ahmed Yassin explains that Palestinian terrorism will in the end destroy Israel and that the Islamic state of Palestine will be built on the ruins of Israel in 2027.

Shoshana Gottleib, a young, religious mother of four, who told her story, she was in was attacked by murderous Palestinian machine-gun fire by terrorists, and how bending down to put orange peels in a plastic bag, she avoided the bullet that went through her headrest. As it was, Shoshana was critically injured, her spinal cord severed, paralyzing her for life from the chest down. One of the most interesting parts of Shoshana's presentation was her revelation that the terrorists who opened fire on her were three policemen in Arafat's Palestinian Authority, a fourth, who was Arafat's personal bodyguard in Force 17, and a fifth who had been recruited with the promise of $500. One of the terrorists videotaped the attack on the van, and it was sent to Yasir Arafat. http://www.jewsweek.com/myturn/323.htm

Saudi Telethon Host Calls for Enslaving Jewish Women, Sheikh Ibrahim Mattsai said, "Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?" Mattsai goes on to say. "How excited I was to hear a Palestinian child tell me that when he is 14 years old he will blow himself up and become a martyr... I praise those sons of Allah who give you and me martyrdom."

O God, the Jews have transgressed all limits in their tyranny," Shaik Abd-al-Bari al Thubayti prayed in a June 7 sermon on official Saudi TV2. "O God, shake the ground under their feet, pour torture on them, and destroy all of them." This and similar statements appear in a forthcoming Anti-Defamation League paper on Saudi bigotry. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/saudi.html

Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, a Palestinian Authority religious leader: "We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv"
"We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv and in Netanya... We will fight against them and rule over them until the Jew will hide behind the trees and stones and the tree and stone will say: 'Moslem! Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him'. We will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, and Jaffa as conquerors, and Haifa as conquerors and Ashkelon as conquerors...."
[Preacher Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, PATV, 3 August 2001] http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep02/marcus.htm

Khalad Mashal, Hamas (Reuters, February 16):
"You have no place here, on the holy land of Palestine... You will never have security in this place, not even on a single centimeter of this land. This is a call for every Palestinian to turn into a time bomb - to fight them with every means at your disposal."
"Kill them! Allah will answer them through your means! I hope that there are those among you who will kill and be killed!"

The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav.

Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine."

Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse."

He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps to Israel's destruction.

Sari Nusseibeh is another supposed Palestinian moderate.
In an interview on Al-Jazeera television on July 14, translated by Memri. Nusseibeh praised everyone involved in jihad against Israel. Explaining that he did not want to pass moral judgment on the murderers when he signed a petition a month earlier calling for an end to suicide bombers, Nusseibeh said that terrorism presents no moral dilemma, it is only a question of whether or not "political benefit" accrues from killing Israeli civilians. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/genocide.html

One week after the Dolphinarium bombing on June 1, 2001 in Tel Aviv in which 21 people, mainly young girls, were killed, PA television carried the sermon of Sheik Ibrahim Al-Madhi. He said: “Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever raided for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons’ and plunged into the midst of the Jews, crying ‘Allahu Akbar...’
http://www.world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html

One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.” www. world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html

On Oct. 24, the Palestinian Liberation Army Mufti, Sheikh Col. Nader Al-Tamini, said in a television debate on the Qatari Arabic cable news channel Al-Jazeera that there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holidays of Passover and Purim.

Just four days later, the official Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram published a full-page article by columnist Adel Hamooda titled, "A Jewish Matzoh Made from Arab Blood." It retold the infamous blood libel story of 1840 in great detail, recounting it as a documented historical fact.

The author went on to explain that the Jews' "bestial drive" to add the blood of non-Jews to matzoh is at the root of the violence. He said Palestinians are often found without a single drop of blood in their bodies.

"The most reasonable explanation is that the blood was taken to be kneaded into the dough of extremist Jews to be used in Matzohs to be devoured during Passover," he wrote.
Huh? That's the most reasonable explanation? The answer is yes to the hysterical propagandists of the Middle East.

Egyptian Television last November and Palestinian Television in 2001 broadcast A 30-part series -- produced by Arab Radio and Television, featuring a cast of 400, and aired during the second half of Ramadan this year -- "dramatized" the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Last March, we were treated to an article in the Saudi government daily, Al-Riyadh, describing in great detail the Jewish method of draining the blood of Muslim children to be used in baking Matza.

The racist lie that Jews drink the blood of Arabs into their matzah is graphically described in "The Matzah of Zion," published in 1983 by Syrian Defense Minister, Mustafa Tlas. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15098

Last June, A Palestinian homicide bomber walked into a shopping mall in a city near Tel Aviv and spotted an ice cream parlor full of children. He detonated a nail-packed bomb, that killed Sinai Keinanan 18-month-old girl, who just wanted an ice cream cone, and killed her grandmother too. Do you know Islamikaze mother, lauded the deeds of her son, butchering a Grandmother and her 2 year old Granddaughter. When CNN asked her, how she felt that he had murdered a Grandmother and 14 month old girl. She said how proud she was of her son's actions.

Here's the story of Gal Eizenman. She was murdered with her Grandmother by a Palestinian homicide bomber at a Jerusalem bus stop, after her kindergarten party. Here's her pic http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3328 Read the great commentaries.

Last weekend, after a suicide bomber killed eleven young Israelis at a Jerusalem cafe, and a terrorist with an automatic rifle killed a nine-month-old baby in her stroller in Netanya, thousands celebrated in the West Bank and Gaza. The following night, there was an interview with the father of the Netanya killer. He was proud of his son, saying he had five more sons whom he prayed to Allah would follow in the baby-killer's footsteps. How can you deter a killer who considers murder-suicide the greatest honor in life? Israelis cannot afford to continue enduring the terrible calculus of suicide attacks. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El234&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

Nina Kardashov was joyfully celebrating her bat-mitzvah, the rite of passage to Jewish womanhood, with her friends and family. The band was playing, couples were dancing. The proud twelve-year-old, resplendent in her party dress, had just appeared on the stage. Then, as the amateur videos so horrifically showed, the Palestinian gunman starting shooting and people started dying, including Nina's grandfather and five other celebrants. An hour later, another celebration took place. In the Palestinian city of Tulkarm, hometown of the gunman, cars honked their horns, men shot in the air, strangers embraced in the streets and handed out candy. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El451&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&! ;

When Palestinians dance in the streets after hearing that Israeli civilians have been torn to pieces and charred beyond recognition, that society is expressing a kind of collective death wish. But the bombers and shooters, along with those who funds and direct them, don't just kill Israelis. They also write the death warrants for other Palestinians. They endanger and damage their own families and friends and neighbors. Actions produce consequences, and crimes invite punishment. The Palestinian Authority armed and financed the killers. Arafat called for a million of them. Parents pocketed a payoff from Saddam. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

After the massacre of men, women, and children in a Jerusalem pizzeria by a Palestinian suicide bomber, there were probably some who believed that Israel would respond with a similar act of violent bloodletting. They were to be disappointed. The F-16 missile attack on the golden-domed PA police station in Ramallah at 1:30am, long after it had been evacuated, was just a red herring, a distraction from the maneuver that Israeli forces were executing at that moment.
http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El829&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

That I care for the well being of tens of Palestinian cancer patients and their families is irrelevant. As a Jew living in Israel, and, more specifically, Jerusalem, I am a potential target worthy of maiming or assassination. That is the miserable nature of the Palestinian struggle for self-determination. That I am here to recount these thoughts is by sheer virtue of timing. Minutes after I passed through the Pat intersection en route to the Shaare Zedek Medical Center, bus 32 was exploded by a young suicide bomber. Almost everyone on the bus was killed, most instantly.http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1172&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

I thought about the school bus massacre a month ago, where a Palestinian suicide bomber murdered 11 people and injured 50--including many schoolchildren--aboard a crowded Israeli commuter bus in Jerusalem. Killed in the terror attack were an 8-year-old, four teenagers and six adults." Reuters reports that "witnesses said they heard children who had been on their way to school screaming 'Mamma, Mamma' from the wreckage." Hamas confessed to the atrocity.

Ehud Olmert said, "Every time I come to such a site, I can't escape the thought that a living person entered the bus, and he saw the young kid of 6, 7 years old sitting, and he blows him apart. This is something that you have to see to understand how terrible it is."
The murderer's father, Azmi Abu Hilail, praised his sons actions butchering Israeli school children and said he would want his other children to become homicide bombers and murder Israeli civilians.

by kokomero Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:35

According to your posts, reo and hi, there seem to be grades of Zionist ranging from acknowledgement of the right to existance of the state of Israel as defined within its pre-1967 borders (which qualifies me and virtually everybody as a Zionist) to those willing to perpetrate any manner of evil to expand and expunge Israel from Arabs/Muslims.

The definitions of Zionists on one hand and those of anti-semites on the other hand provided by Avi and other posters are at odds, as I qualify on one hand as an anti-semite because I oppose many of the policies of Israel (according to Avi's definition), and as a Zionist on the other hand because I acknowledge the right of the state of Israel to exist (by reo's definition).

Frankly, I am confused and I'm sure many millions of others around the globe are also!

It is not clear to me what these grades of Zionism are and where the two of you fit on this scale?

What is your definition of the state of Israel (geographically speaking)?

What do you see as being the rights of Muslims/Arabs within the borders you define, and any limitations compared to other citizens within those borders?

What financial reparations will Israel make to Palestinians for expelling them from their pre-1948 homes, and effectively imprisoning and disenfranchising them in camps since them?

When will Israels Nuclear, Biological and chemical weapons as well as Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles be removed as a threat to regional stability?

by Penny Thu May 01, 2003 15:04

Yes, the situation vis a vis Israel/Palestinians is complicated yet simple in the same way a bomb going off in your neighborhood grocery store would be. Suppose it was some boy-os down the way who'd had a bit too much of the drink and decided to try out a thing they saw on some Web site. Suppose nobody knew exactly who they were. But everybody thought they knew. Complicated.

But that's not all. Suppose the rest of the world wanted to get in on it. Suppose a lot of people "over there" started fighting over it. Suppose some people said, "What are we fighting about? Yes, something bad happened in that neighborhood and now all the neighbors are in a violent battle with each other -- but why are WE fighting? What do WE really want? Do We really want to join in, picking sides and help to savage that town? Or do WE want to assist with peaceful, healing efforts. Do We need to stand for or against any particular side? No. Both and all batches of fighters (for it's complicated, more than two sides if you get what I mean) have done truely awful things. So we pick a side which isn't just being violent. Say, we pick the schools in the area. The hospitals, the restaurants, the factories, the jails -- yes, jails -- we pick all the points of sanity and order and we put our "help" into them. We choose that which is "normal" and healthy out of the situation and we affirm that. We support and give aid and protection by caring for and loudly proclaiming that these ARE the "good guys". There are no "good guys" in the practice of war. But ordinary human beings trying to live despite war..... THAT is worth being on the "side" of.

by CensoredLance - ExposingIrIndyzionists Fri May 02, 2003 06:46 triggersauto at erase dot com Irish Indymedia censor/erase everypost of mine

.....will ever get on here as aidan and daithi and the 'hi' character and 'penny' - ( all false internet sockpuppet names they hide behind)are in fact Zionists and censor any Truth about Israel or the Palestinian freedom fight to free THEIR land from Israeli bondage.

These people in fact lie about even leaving the hidded posts that they erase to protect the Israli Likudnik government in the 'Hidden' sector. Several of my posts were erased and never were moved to the hidden sector. The last post of mine that they Did move to that sector - they left Only the Summary of and FALSIFIED my email address - so no one could contact me. If you look in the 'Hidden' section you will see DASHES added into my email name lance wherever my email is given in my posts.

These people irishindi mediocrities are nothing more than weaseling liars. They do not shift COMPLETE posts that they Censor to the Hidden section and they intentionally corrupt the email addresses of most of those whose posts are censored and get over there. They censor posts on the Basis of content - Content that they don't like or are afraid will give the facts about Daily Israeli atrocities.

The long post about - by the person 'purporting' to give a thumbnail factual history of the conflict is nothing more than a sequence of outright lies. However anyone attempting to correct them will be wiped off the board by these liars and censored.

http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=45210&start=20 That is where one of my posts on here was - now of course it is probably gone - gone simply because these Zionists don't like the 'content' of it.

BE quite sure - these irishindi mediocrities are Zionists . They have never dared debate me. All they are capable of (because they have no factual truths to cite to substantiate their bogus claims) is deleting me. But they neither dare - nor are they capable of facing my proofs of their Zionist bias and censoring.