Belfast Demo Attacked by PSNI

by Lone Gunman Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:14

To the PSNI.Get to it lads.Bring back the B specials and 13 Para

by TheIdiotsAreTakingOver Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:26

described the protest as being taken over by 'hardline elements'. the police perhaps?

by joe six pack Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:41

The IRA ran away again when their supporters needed them - where did they go to a reception hosted by the Queen's First Minister & G.W. Bush.

Cheers lads keep up the good work - I'm sure you frowned at Bush for a few seconds before stupping down real low to kiss his ass!

All for peace of course!

by anonymous, Amman Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:46

So this is "freedom of expression" - it seems that the great American value can get you arrested these days.

If I were Irish, it would seriously disgust me to have those 2 warmongers on my soil. Throw them out.

Well done to the protestors.

by Aidan Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:47

I can't get you guys to answer these questions.

What involvment has George W Bush and his administration had in the peace process? And please give details.

Why is it imperivate that Sinn Fein meet with George at the moment?

Please answer these questions

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:18 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

1. I can't speak for Eoin or any of the other Sinn Féin members who use Indymedia but I don't spend 24 hours going back through posts looking for questions. We include our email addresses so that people who want questions answered can contact us. I've carefully looked through my email and I am having difficulty locating your mail with these questions. I'll wager quite heavily other SF members are still waiting for your emails.

2. To take the questions in reverse order, if we didn't meet Bush, the only views he would have heard while over here would be those of the SDLP, the UUP and the British and irish governments. In other words, he would not have had the republican perspective put to him. Secondly, we think it might be useful to make Bush aware of our opposition to the war on Iraq for the umpteenth time. If we're not there, we can't make that clear to him. As was pointed out in some of the media today, the only anti-war protests Bush will be aware of from his visit here, will be those made to him by Sinn Féin and any of the other parties who attend.

3. Any analysis of the Peace Process shows the impact American involvement has had on it, and I strongly suggest reading them. From the American decision to allow Adams and Cahill at different times to visit the US to the pressure brought to bear on the Brits by Irish-America to the influence of Irish-America on the republican movement's analysis. Sinn Féin successfully internationalised the struggle and in appointing George Mitchell, made sure that the Brits were less likely to pull a fast one while an American President with an interest in Irish-American support was so completely involved.

With the election of Bush, it would be foolish to pretend he is as open to the republican analysis as Clinton was, but he still has a great deal of power. If he buys in completely to the Unionist analysis it gives them and the British a great deal of support in pushing through anti-republican elements in the new deal.

You can, and I do, bitch about America and Bush as much as you want but lets look at the facts. America is the most powerful state in the world. Bush is the most powerful single individual in the world. He is involved, for better or worse, in the Peace Process. There's no way we're going to get him on our side, but we might minimise the support he gives to the UUP.

Your plaintive request to get answers to these questions would best be served by emailing people in future. It's not that we are in hiding, you're free to post any response you get from me for example, but simply that with the amount of material on Indymedia, we might not be aware the question was asked.

by Klare Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:24

If Bush came to Britain, I would be first to be there protesting about his lies, his dirty, illegal war and the hundreds/thousands of innocents he is killing with his war machine made up of brainwashed Marines with 2 brain cells between the lot of them.

You know there's something wrong when freedom of speech is being suppressed globally. The PSNI should have left the protestors alone - George Bush should find the balls to face the truth of public opinion and the truth about this murderous war.

by Reality Bites Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:24

And in the five minutes you had with Dubya, how much time did you get to put 'the republican perspective'. D'ye think we came up the Foyle in a bubble? This has more to do with keeping your funders in Irish-America happy. Get real.

by Cllr Eoin O'Broin - Sinn Fein Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:31 eoinobroin at hotmail dot com

Justin Moran is right. In addition to his points it is important to stress that the present round od talks are crucial for the future of the peace process. If SF refused to attend, or allowed Unionists or the British government a free hand at any stage, we would not only be failing the thousands of people who voted for us, but walking away from the Agreement. One thing that has struck me from speaking to some of our critics at the demos today and yesterday, is peoples absolute lack of understanding of where the negotiations are at and how best to input into them. Part of this is because there are those who are opposed to the Agreement in the first place, which is their right, or secondly because they are not interested in the substance of the debate, but rather in scoring cheap points from their own organisation or view point. Dont forget that at the end of this week Blair & Ahern will publish their 'take it or leav' it proposals on the future of policing, demilitarisation, criminal justice, equality and the possible exclusion of Sinn Fein. Is anybody really serious when they suggest that Sinn Fein should refuse to attend talks, the outcome of which could be the exclusion of Sinn Fein from the future of the political process. People need to get real. Sinn Fein is anti-war, our presence at protests and meetings -including today with Blair & Bush- makes that abundantely clear. But we must also ensure that our responsibilities in the peace process and to our electorate are upheld.

by Aidan Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:42

Justin I didn't e-mail because I thought the answer should be up here.

>2. To take the questions in reverse order, if we >didn't meet Bush, the only views he would have >heard while over here would be those of the >SDLP, the UUP and the British and irish ?>governments. In other words, he would not have >had the republican perspective put to him. >Secondly, we think it might be useful to make >Bush aware of our opposition to the war on Iraq >for the umpteenth time. If we're not there, we >can't make that clear to him. As was pointed out >in some of the media today, the only anti-war >protests Bush will be aware of from his visit >here, will be those made to him by Sinn Féin and >any of the other parties who attend.

Okay the obvious question here is "why do you have to make Bush aware of your position"

I mean the North hasn't featured at all ever on his agenda so I'll at a loss to see what putting your position to him will do to help the peace process.

So you really haven't answered my question at all.

>3. Any analysis of the Peace Process shows the >impact American involvement has had on it, and I >strongly suggest reading them. From the American >decision to allow Adams and Cahill at different >times to visit the US to the pressure brought to >bear on the Brits by Irish-America to the >influence of Irish-America on the republican >movement's analysis. Sinn Féin successfully >internationalised the struggle and in appointing >George Mitchell, made sure that the Brits were >less likely to pull a fast one while an American >President with an interest in Irish-American >support was so completely involved.

Most of what you mentioned has absolutely zero to do with the current administration. Everything that happened happened before Bush slithered his way into office.

So again what specfic role has Bush and his administration played in this peace process. What will be accomplished by your meeting, given his track record, and stated disinterest in the north.

Or are you just fancy wallpaper, for the real summit? If thats the case you've sold out those precious anti war ideals.

>With the election of Bush, it would be foolish >to pretend he is as open to the republican >analysis as Clinton was, but he still has a >great deal of power. If he buys in completely to >the Unionist analysis it gives them and the >British a great deal of support in pushing >through anti-republican elements in the new deal.

Okay but again this administration has done squat for the peace process; allowing them to swagger in and set terms after a 2 1/2hr meeting, is well, weird.

What right does the US have to in your words "give them and the British support"?

So if I have this clear, you're bowing to US Imperalism, so British Imperalism won't win....

Whats that noise Justin? I think your ethics just fell off the car a mile or so back.

>You can, and I do, bitch about America and Bush >as much as you want but lets look at the facts. >America is the most powerful state in the world. >Bush is the most powerful single individual in >the world. He is involved, for better or worse, >in the Peace Process. There's no way we're going >to get him on our side, but we might minimise >the support he gives to the UUP.

And again how exactly is he involved? Other than being shit hot and powerful, which appears to be your only reason.

See my previous point about bowing to imperalistic pressure.

>Your plaintive request to get answers to these >questions would best be served by emailing >people in future. It's not that we are in >hiding, you're free to post any response you get >from me for example, but simply that with the >amount of material on Indymedia, we might not be >aware the question was asked.

If I mailed you I'd only put the responses up here. This should be an open debate, one which Sinn Fein have been avoiding since Paddys Day.

by Chekov Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:53

but you're not convincing anybody. The sight of Gerry Adams playing a supporting role in "Bush - the peacemaker" at a time like this says it all. The Sinn Fein supporters that I have talked to in the last few days think it is shocking and awful behaviour, I bet they're not alone.

Anyway, hats off to Bush and Blair for this political tour de force. They got to have a war summit in a place that is already well accumstomed to militarisation and ignoring civil liberties while posing as peacemakers, and as a bonus they got to say "heel" to a potentially troublesome figure. All your explanations amount to is - since we have to obey the emperor, we have to be nice to him or he might not let us have any more power.

by Dave Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:59

Eoin to lump 'critics' on this issue into two view points 1} 'absolute lack of understanding' 2} ' or not interested in the substance of debate' is both unhelpful and incorrect.

by Liam Flynn - IWW-MTW Tue Apr 08, 2003 17:13 sailorliam1 at earthlink dot net

If Blair is Bush's poodle then the master (and his Governors & Mayors) are learning cowardly, British police state tactics for his citizen as well. Fuck the Oakland PD & the PSNI, fuck all the Blue Shirts world wide. Take it to the streets.

by Reality Bites Tue Apr 08, 2003 17:16

I'm neither anti-SF nor anti-agreement and I'm more than well informed. I can also see bullshit when its paraded as an excuse. How long, Eoin, did Gerry and the lads get with Dubya, when your glorious leader stood with the other dupes in 'a semi-circle' (I'm finding it hard to supress my giggles at the thought of it...) whilst Dubya 'spoke' to each of the 'leaders' in turn. He spent a total of 35 mins with the 5 parties there. Do you really think that we buy the line you proffer that it gave anybody time to offer Dubya a perspective on anything? Or that refusing to meet Bush would get you expelled from the talks. Get a grip and stop treating us like we're the usual electoral fodder the movement addresses.

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Tue Apr 08, 2003 17:19 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

The day I need to duck a debate on Indymedia, or anywhere else for that matter, has yet to come. Aidan, EMAIL your questions, if you want to post the response that's great, I welcome it. That's a good thing. Putting up questions on Indymedia and then whining about not getting the answers is nonsensical. Half the time I don't see the questions I'm accused of ducking.

To take your points:

1. Why do we have to make Bush aware of our position? Aidan, the man is attending a meeting crucial, absolutely crucial to this Process and to the representation of the tens of thousands of people whom we represent. If he supports sanctions against us for the actions of the IRA, they are more likely to be imposed, if he accepts our argument that they are not necessary, they are more likely to be seen as unnecessary. I am fully aware of the lack of interest Bush has in the North, but I'm also aware that an uninterested American President still carries a huge amount of weight in the Process. Bush could decide to put the IRA back on the list of 'terrorist' organisations, he could put pressure on Britain to suspend negotiations with us, he could crack down on us in any one of a hundred ways if the only people he gets to listen to is the UUP. If I still haven't answered your question by now quite frankly, the problem is yours comrade, not mine.

2. Yes, the previous administration played a larger role, but what you fail to realise is this establlished a precedent for the involvement of the US in this process. The same officials and bureaucrats involved before Bush are in some numbers still there. The Clinton years established a practise of American involvement. It continues to a lesser extent but it does continue. Anyone who thinks we are a vital issue to Bush is a fool, but anyone who thinks that his involvement in this process is useless is an even bigger fool. This week the two Governments will unveil a package, one way or the other Bush will have put pressure on all sides to accept it. Those who don't can be sure of an extremely cold reception.

3. We're not allowing them to set the terms. Like Eoin, I find the lack of interest or knowledge of the Peace Process amongst the left in Ireland incredibly disturbing. The terms are being ironed out by the participants, the terms are by and large sorted but Bush playing a role does make a difference. It is Amrican pressure that has delivered for us on a couple of important issues. As for imperialism, I will ask again, as I have asked many times, and for a man fond of accusing others of ducking questions I'm sure we'll get a god response, where have we bowed to American imperialism? We have condemned almost ever single Amrican foreign policy initative that has been condemned by progressive forces in Ireland.

Wake up and realise that in politcs occasionally you have to sit down with people you don't like. We have had to meet British imperialists, Loyalist Death Squad leaders, the worst kind of right-wing reactionaries, because it is a necessary part of building a Peace Process in the North of Ireland. What's your solution? Refuse to talk to anyone who doesn't fulfill a set list of criteria?

4. As for being shit hot and powerful, well done Aidan, he is, and that's why his influence is important.

And to Chekov, we can keep talking, but we have convinced one person, me. I was absolutely opposed to this visit, I was disgusted and angry about it. I thought it 'shocking and awful behaviour'. I posted my disgust to Indymedia, I mentioned it to friends in other parties and now, three days later having listened to the 'arguments' that have been mounted against it by the micro-left I have realised how wrong I am.

I may not like Bush, but I'm a political activist and this means occasionally sitting down with people I despise because I have no choice but to work with them. Realisation of that fact would be a significant advance for the political maturity of some of the people commenting on this issue.

And to the man who believes that our stance on Bush is because we need to keep Irish-America on side I suggest you read recent articles by Niall O'Dowd. We are who we are. We have always opposed sanctions against Cuba, the Israeli campaign against Palestine and we're not changing that, whether American money dries up or not. Most of our income comes from the same types of functions most groups on Indymedia hold (Except people come to ours) and by the fact that all our elected representatives pay the bulk of their wages into the party.

by maalox Tue Apr 08, 2003 17:21 maalox at safe-mail dot net

The crowd didn't just "disperse" by 3, someof us went on to Musgrave St. cop shop to get people out...

by Pat Tue Apr 08, 2003 17:25

To say that the opinion of SF would not be known to the president if they boycotted the meeting is complete bollocks. SFs position is known by the white house. SF represent an important part of politics in the North, they will not ignore you and they do know what you stand for.

I think SF went to the meeting in order not to snub their pro war pro US imperialist financial supporters in the US.

by Blush Tue Apr 08, 2003 19:19

"THE OVERTHROW OF THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC", Part 28 by Sherman H. Skolnick
"THE OVERTHROW OF THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC", Part 28 by Sherman H. Skolnick 2/20/3

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Watch for Sherman Skolnick's new book, AHEAD OF THE PARADE, to be published soon by Dandelion Books and for sale at www.GoOff.com.

THE BUSH/BLAIR BRIBERY AFFAIR

What turned out to be a messy situation, all started, at least in part, to unravel on January 16, 2003. Two events were on that day, one later widely reported, the other seldom mentioned.

The space shuttle "Columbia" took off on that day, later crashing, February 1, 2003. It is dealt with elsewhere in this series. On the same day in January, what some prefer to call jointly the American CIA/Bush Crime Family, conducted a "black bag" job. They did a break-in and entry into the residence of Alan Greenspan, Commissar of the Federal Reserve, America's highly secretive PRIVATE central bank.

What all were they looking for? Among other things, they sought to retrieve, and keep from ever surfacing, a series of Federal Reserve wire transfer records, showing certain transactions done under the secret authorization code of Greenspan.

The dealings were several months previous. They show that George Herbert Walker Bush used the Carlyle Group to forward some sixteen Billion Dollars to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. Daddy Bush has been a senior paid consultant with Carlyle to, among others, the Bin Laden Group, the Saudi Family dominating several industries in Saudi and the Middle East, including construction. They are NOT actually on the outs with family member Osama, who they finance, also with members of the Saudi Royal Family, through a major bank in Saudi, and banks and financial entities worldwide, including the Dutch money laundry, Algemene Bank Nederland, now ABN-AMRO.

Here is the circuitous route the funds took:

[1] The existence of the transactions, by themselves, sufficiently prove the prior planning jointly of White House occupant and resident George W. Bush financially bending Tony Blair. The upshot of it all, was to have Blair join with Dubya (said quickly Texas style) to seize eventually the Iraqi oilfields, for two purposes.

First, to use the oil treasure as collateral to underwrite the huge U.S. deficit, soon to be out-of-control. Thus laying the way for Dubya to push a huge tax cut for the one or two percent of Americans, the wealthiest in the U.S.

Second, to seek to prop up the Bank of England caught up on the wrong side of speculations in the Kuwaiti Dinar, a currency pegged to the so-called "U.S. Dollar", actually hot-air Federal Reserve Notes. And further, to seek to bail out the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the Chicago Board Options Exchange, and LIFFE, the International Financial Futures and Options Exchange in London.

To understand the route of the bribe to Blair and the route, some background is necessary.

[2] Starting in the late 1980s and up to 1991, the highly mysterious espionage money laundry, BCCI, Bank of Credit and Commerce International, was later implicated in a scheme to bribe more than 25 per cent of both houses of Congress. More than 28 U.S. Senators and more than 108 Congressmen.

The purpose of the scheme was to corruptly influence, by bribes or phantom transactions used as blackmail, to members of Congress who were chosen to help promote the interests of BCCI in opening numerous branches in the U.S. The lawmakers were invited to give speeches in Chicago, seldom reported in the press. While in the Windy City, they were paid their "honorarium" (lecture fees) and told they were getting as a bonus, an account with the exchanges there, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the Chicago Board of Trade, and the Chicago Board Options Exchange.

Later, some congressmen were told their Chicago accounts had a loss, but through straddles (a technical device using losses on one side of the fence, and gains on the other), they had a huge gain in London. Some Congressmen directly or through trusted aides picked up the "bonus" in London while secretly videotaped. Other Congressmen did not do so, but through phantom records, were shown, nevertheless to have "picked up" the pay-offs, in other words, blackmail.

LIFFE was instrumental in all this. Why? Because they operate electronically only, and retain no paper records. Hence, the difficulty for regulatory authoririties and tax collectors to sniff out.

Upon the apparent downfall of BCCI in 1991 (they continue under the name of a alter ego and successor), the Bank of England, supervising the smash up, for thirty days ONLY had the bribery list of Congress as a public record. As we told in a prior website story, a major news group refused to make public the story, and so it ended up with us. My exclusive details appeared in October, 1991, in the populist publication Spotlight, years later made defunct through a dirty court trick.

[3] Instrumental in the Bush/Blair Affair was Carlyle Group, having on its Board of Directors a previous Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. The funds for Blair went through the Chicago markets which have been heavily on the wrong side of Kuwaiti Dinar gambling, called derivatives, a sort of book-keeping hocus-pocus. They, together with the Bank of England, are leaning over the edge of the cliff in TRILLIONS of Dollars, enough to panic currency markets if completely divulged.

Why was the Kuwaiti Dinar selected as part of the route to Blair? Because the currency, pegged to the Dollar, is considered more independent. In technical data, that means it has almost no limit features up or down, the "sky is the limit" betting.

The 16 Billion Dollars, in Kuwaiti Dinars, was to benefit Tony Blair through, among other places, accounts for him, in financial entities in the United Arab Emirates, a favorite money laundry site.

[4] What happened with the incriminating records in Greenspan's residence on January 16, 2003? Well, the "black bag" team did not get them. Why? His wife, Andrea Mitchell, senior Washington corrrespondent for NBC, had previous to that date moved the records to another location.

The records are now in the possession of certain more independent-minded U.S. free lance journalists. A preliminary story about this, with just a few details, appeared exclusively in Canada, on a popular website linked to a Toronto radio program, Mojo Radio, "The Cloak and Dagger" Program, described as a "Talk Show for Spies". A few hours after they posted the preliminary details, their website was smashed by the "shadow government". www.cloakanddagger.ca (ca stands for a website in Canada). In a conference call, a leading website technician stated to us he had a terrible time getting their website back operating, and that he does not know of another event as troubling as the wreckage of the Cloak and Dagger website, where show host Lenny Bloom posts items on their news forum together with advance listings of upcoming guests.

I participated in putting the preliminary story together for Cloak and Dagger.

[5] The Russians with the help of Commissar Putin, formerly of the Soviet Secret Police, the KGB, have details of a phone conversation recently between Bush and Blair, about the preliminary story. Blair told Bush, "You have to take down those websites who have the documents". Bush responded, "We have a constitution", a statement that Bush could make without really believing the same. "Nevermind all that, take down those websites! If they post the first of the fourteen wire transfer records, you may not find me still on Downing Street anymore."

The inside joke is that an Israeli firm, reportedly fronting for Israeli intelligence and somehow beholden to Moscow, got the U.S. contract to rewire the communications system of the White House, the FBI, and the American CIA. The firm apparently, through satellites, is able to clandestinely send, in real-time, the content of supposedly secure, secret communications of U.S. top officials.

[6] And what is the possible fall-out from the full disclosure of the Bush to Blair bribery? The possible wreckage of the Chicago markets together with LIFFE, for openers. And a successful attack on the British Pound Sterling because of disclosures that the Bank of England, having gambled away their assets on Kuwaiti Dinar Derivatives, along with those exchanges, is insolvent and cannot any longer support the Pound in world currency markets.

Further, Blair would be open to criminal bribery prosecution together with charges against Daddy Bush and Dubya, of treason, international bribery, racketeering, and sundry other federal criminal offenses.

Please note that starting three years ago, on our website, www.skolnicksreport.com, we posted a series "Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush". Shown there are the 25 worldwide secret money laundry accounts of the Bush Crime Family, the proceeds of hundreds of billions of extortion loot, joint business deals with Saddam Hussein in the 1980s. Also, shown is the Bush Crime Family JOINT ACCOUNT with the Queen of England, at her PRIVATE bank, Coutts Bank London. In December 19, 2001, the London Financial Times reported that the Queen of England sent her top bank executive, Andrew Fisher, to be a top official of Carlyle Group. Bush/British Monarch account shows a transaction of ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS. The secret Federal Reserve wire transfer records, showing the secret authorization code of Alan Greenspan, are part of our website series.

So, will the latest secret Federal Reserve wire transfer records be posted? Wait and see.

[7] Furthermore, the Bush/Blair documents show that Tony Blair privately greatly profitted from arranging shipments to North Korea to enhance their nuclear capability. In that regard, he privately benefitted, as we mentioned in a previous part of this series, like Hillary Rodham Clinton, likewise implicated in privately profitting from shipments of nuclear items to North Korea. As to both Blair and Hillary, the shipments were reportedly made through Royal Jordanian Airlines. [As to Hillary and North Korea, we showed that document about a year ago on our Chicago public access Cable TV Program, "Broadsides"].

So, will the latest documents be posted? More coming. Stay tuned.

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by USdiscardsNukeWasteOnBattlefield Tue Apr 08, 2003 19:26

the entire interview can be heard at http://www.flashpoints.net , do a Ctrl-f for Major Doug Rocke and find an audio icon (looks like an ear)

23:30 Dennis: depleted uranium being used by the US military.. about the long term dangers of DU.. the Pentagon covering up, Major Doug Rocke blowing the whistle.. thousands of vets may be sick.. Major Rocke: I enlisted in the military in 1967, in Vietnam.. in 1980 I went back into the army as a combat medic.. instructor in biological and chemical warfare.. in 1990 I went to the Gulf War as a physician.. nuclear, biological and chemical warfare specialist.. tapped by General Swartzkoff to clean up DU.. in 1994, named the DU cleanup coordinator for the Pentagon.. research how to clean it up on the battlefield, etc.. I am still a medical doctor in the military.. DU is used to kill and destroy everything in its path.. each tank round has 10 pounds of DU, contaminated with.. A10 aircraft can fire a ton and a half of DU in one minute.. also used in landmines, and bunker buster.. also a 20mm round fired by the Navy.. very effective in combat, the military has put them in every munition they can.. 'depleted' uranium is misleading.. not really depleted, more or less just regular uranium.. DU leaves a distinctive.. with the explosion, you'll see sparklers and the fire will continue to burn.. the rounds catch fire after leaving the barrel of the weapon.. when it impacts, 10 pound of solid uranium.. 4 pounds on fire, causes secondary detonations.. oxides form, contamination up to 400 meters around.. the Pentagon says soldiers must wear respiratory masks in that area.. a heavy metal radiologic toxin.. end up with cancers, neurological problems, rashes.. during Gulf War 1, we fired a million rounds from the A-10.. 15,000 tank rounds, and left it all in the desert.. we all started getting sick.. but medical care was deliberately denied.. the Los Alamos memorandum, said cover up the dangers, or we will lost the weapon.. the individuals that have died.. my exposure was due to inhalation, faulty gas masks, the gas masks still faulty today.. the first cancers on our cleanup team developed in 8 or 9 months.. a decision, Gen Swartzkoff memiors.. on page 390.. US gave Saddam his chemical weapons.. the Pentagon is telling an absolute lie.. Grovers memorandum.. a medical conference at Wright Patterson.. it is not propaganda.. the warning came from the US military's own health experts.. also used in the Balkans, in Puerto Rico.. the deliberate willful denial of medical care has been ongoing.. I'm sick, and they haven't done anything for me.. the DOD formally acknowledges only 90 individuals exposed.. a specific medical directive.. requires medical care for all indivicuals, being in the midst of smoke or fire of DU.. issued October of 1993, because we were going to use DU when we attacked Somalia.. the training is still not being.. an A10 pilot killed British soldiers in a friendly fire incident, using DU weapons, and the regulations are still not being complied with.. Dennis: the embedded reporters in grave danger too?.. Major Rocke: any person who comes within range of DU contamination is in grave danger.. the UN ruled that DU weapons were a weapon of mass destruction.. about the backlash against Major Rocke.. Major Rocke: the retaliation against me has been huge.. in the US no one can possess or despose of even a (small amount) of uranium, because it is so poisonous, but the US military spreading tons of this stuff all around the world, poisoning hundreds of thousands of people for generations.. (reads the Los Alamos memorandum).. the military saying we must lie to the public about the dangers of DU or they may lose the right to use it.. about the US military attitude toward Kuwaiti and Iraqi civilians exposed to DU.. Major Rocke: the US military made me their DU expert, but after I spoke up, my opportunity for advancement ended.. the US and UK have made a conscious decision to take their waste uranium and spread it around the globe.. and I have been threatened.. on a regular basis.. in February 1999 the US used DU in Vieques, Puerto Rico.. I went to PR, on site, medical evaluations on residents, the contamination is extensive.. the media and government covering up.. in Iraq, the sandstorms and DU munitions, you can't clean it up, and medical care not being provided.. the Gulf War official US death toll is 766.. but the Dept. of Veterans Affairs now says 221,000 GW veterans are permanently diabled.. and we know that number is low.. and the VA says over 10,000 have died due to Gulf War Syndrome (due to DU and other toxic poisoning).. and medical care is still not being provided.. sick and dying across the world.. the issue abandoned because of the enormous health and cleanup costs..

by Jim Costello Tue Apr 08, 2003 21:12

Bush and Blair are involved in the Irish 'peace process' for the same reason that they are involved in Iraq. For Adams to claim that there is a contradiction between the Anglo-American empire's policy in Ireland and in Iraq, shows that Adams is either dumb or deceitful. The imperial policy in both countries is to subjugate the economy and polity to imperial interests. The mechanism for doing this in Ireland is the Good Friday Agreement, which solidifies Britains interference in Ireland, North and South. Just as
there will be a local collaborative regime set up in Iraq, so also there is a comprador regime in Ireland, led by Ahern. Adams is now, politically, indistinguishable from this comprador/Gombeen class.

by Myrna G. Tue Apr 08, 2003 21:21

For Adams to welcome the war criminals Bush/Blair to Ireland at a time when the Bloody Sunday murderer, 'Sir' Mike Jackson, is leading the massacre in Iraq, shows the extent to which Adams has departed from the anti-imperialism of Irish republicanism. His party is now a danger to the self-determination of the Irish people, and because of the proud tradition associated with Sinn Fein, these collaborators need to be exoposed for what they are.

by RORY Sat Apr 12, 2003 00:04

BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING FOR PEACE IN IRELAND EXCEPT FUCKING THINGS UP BY ARRESTING THE 3 IN COLUMBIA WITH HIS CIA SCUM BAGS.

(STRANGE TIMING) HE COULD HAVE SAID TO GERRY "OFF THE RECORD" WHAT ARE YA DOING IN COLUMBIA!(STAY OUT OR I WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR SF, BUT NO! HE JUST FUCK THINGS UP. THATS MR BUSH FOR YOU. I CAN SEE THINGS SLOWING ON THE PEACE PLAN DUE TO THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT OF FOREIGN FUCK HEADS.

http://www.iol.ie/~link/
PS I HEAR MARY HARNEY IS JOINING THE US REPUBLICAN PARTY?

by officer Sun Sep 19, 2004 02:16

once again anti government persons who maybe would rather live under a saddam regime twist things to the blind eyed advantage and disguise anarchy as peaceful protest
you may have been expressing your right to assembly article 11 human rights act but when you turn a peaceful protest into a blockade of the road which the majority pay for you then become crimainal and will be treated as such.
may i point out that you should learn the NI law before you decide to slag of the police
if you have you should then know that you know under the public order order that your act was seen as a riot as three or more people where there for a common cause which caused fear and distress in a person hence why you where dispersed in such a way. furhter more i am a roman catholic from west belfast who is now serving in the PSNI so i know about the lies and deceitful comments you and your little che chevara's tell anyone who will listen

by buffoon Tue Sep 21, 2004 00:34

your grammar suggests that you are indeed in the PSNI and are destined for a fine career lifting barriers at some obscure outpost of empire.
the use of roman suggests however that you are not catholic but share the same fundamentalist religious views as Bush and Blair