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category national | miscellaneous | news report author Sunday April 06, 2003 21:48author by disobedient irish Report this post to the editors

working for peace and justice manifesto at www.indymedia.org and in comments

Regardless, we are letting you know that we welcome your initiative, and we are quite proud to know that there are intellectuals who turn towards the people of below and who do not allow themselves to be seduced by the color-blind eye of the Cyclops of Power.
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Zapatista Army of National Liberation

Mexico.


April of 2003.

To: The promoters of the We Are Working For Peace and Justice Manifesto,

From: CCRI-CG of the EZLN,
Mountains of the Mexican Southeast.


In the name of the Clandestine Revolutionary Indigenous Committee - General
Command of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation in Mexico, I am asking you
to attach my signature to the We Are Working For Peace and Justice manifesto,
with the understanding that it includes the signatures of all the members of the
CCRI-CG of the EZLN.

We are also informing you that we have taken the liberty of preparing a
communiqué inviting civil society of Mexico and of the world to promote the
knowledge, discussion, enrichment and signing of the manifesto. We hope that
you do not object, but if you think that our initiative could be detrimental to
the purpose which inspires the statement, you need only let us know and we will
respectfully step aside.

Regardless, we are letting you know that we welcome your initiative, and we are
quite proud to know that there are intellectuals who turn towards the people of
below and who do not allow themselves to be seduced by the color-blind eye of
the Cyclops of Power.

The right to rebellion, to defy those who oppress us with various alibis (always
the gods of Power and Money with different masks), is universal. Saying NO to
the indifference which goes hand in hand with the current war in Iraq is a duty,
and it is also universal.

Vale. Salud and may the world which is to come have the distinctive signature
of no one.

>From the mountains of the Mexican southeast.

By the Clandestine Revolutionary Indigenous Committee - General Command of the
Zapatista Army of National Liberation.

Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos

Mexico, April of 2003.


******************************


#2

Zapatista Army of National Liberation
Mexico.
April of 2003.
For: Adolfo Gilly
From: Sup Marcos

As you can see in the attached communiqué and letter, we have decided to sign
the We Are Working For Peace and Justice document. The explicit signature of
the entire CCRI-CG of the EZLN is not possible for the obvious reasons of time
and distance, but all of theirs go in mine.

We think that the document is well born, that is, it was not created out of the
stupid, petty calculations of a political class like the Mexican one, who are
being made sensitive to a war in another place (the fact that the Mexican senate
is calling for a march is ridiculous; their members voted in favor of a local
war against the Indian peoples) by the elections, but by thinking people who are
sincerely concerned about what is happening and about what will be happening.

Although we have seen some omissions in the text, we have decided to sign it
without conditions, because we thank that its enrichment should be the product
of reflection by the common people, by citizens throughout the world (which, if
we are not mistaken, is the spirit which inspires the manifesto).

Even so, we believe it is advisable to note that the statement does not make a
clear differentiation between the North American government and the people of
the United States of America. Bearing in mind that many people in the American
Union have mobilized and have promoted acts of civil disobedience in response to
this war, it seems to us that it a distinction in that regard would not be
uncalled-for. The public declarations by North American academics,
intellectuals, artists, religious persons, workers in alternative media,
students and citizens against the war - even in counterpoint to the warlike
manipulation by the large communications corporations - have made us see quite
clearly that this is a war by the Bush government, not by the people of the
United States. It seems to us that the purpose of this initiative is to
question the people, not the governments, about the war, and so we should also
include the North American people.

Lastly, I am letting you know that we are now sending an email to
http://www.zmag.org so that the EZLN's signature can be included in the
document.

Vale. Salud and may the universal sense of indignation be seen in all colors,
including those which walk north of the Rio Grande.


>From the mountains of the Mexican Southeast.
Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos
Mexico, April of 2003.

*******************************************

#3

Communiqué from the Clandestine Revolutionary Indigenous Committee - General
Command of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation.
Mexico.
April of 2003.
To the People of Mexico:
To the Peoples of the World:

Brothers and Sisters:

In violation of international laws and those of reason and humanity, the
governments of the United States and of Great Britain, with support from other
governments of the world, have invaded Iraqi territory. The attack on Iraq is
just one page in the script of terror which the power of money has prepared for
the entire planet.

At this moment, the war is claiming direct victims, primarily among civilian
men, women, children and old ones. The destruction which the military forces of
the United States and Great Britain are bringing about will provoke more
civilian deaths and more misery for the Iraqi people.

Throughout the world honest persons have demonstrated in order to show their
repudiation of this war. It should be noted that it has been primarily the
young persons, women and children who have raised up their NO to the war with
the greatest firmness.

As never before in history, this war has provoked a universal feeling of
rejection - even though it has not yet been reflected in all its magnitude - in
the mobilizations which have been carried out on the five continents.

As part of the acts in repudiation of this war, a group of persons from several
countries recently announced the We Are Working For Peace and Justice statement,
a document which attempts to define a clear and universal position against the
war in Iraq. Among the document's many virtues is that of going beyond the
current situation provoked by the present war conflict, promoting a serious and
intercontinental reflection against neoliberalism and the destructive effects of
globalization. They have also proposed a dynamic of dissemination and
discussion from below, with the people, not with the political class.

Those who initiated the statement have said that their objective is to promote
it among all the people, throughout the world, who are against the war,
including the zapatistas.

In consideration of the above, the EZLN says its word:

First - The EZLN welcomes this worldwide initiative and all the mobilizations
which have been carried out in order to repudiate the death and destruction in
the Middle East.

Second - Consequently, the EZLN is signing the We Are Working For Peace and
Justice statement, without any conditions. The CCRI-CG of the EZLN, commits,
through the signature of its spokesperson, the word of its 77 comandantes, and
it is now undertaking its dissemination in the 2222 zapatista villages and
communities throughout Mexico.

Third - The EZLN is calling on Mexican and international civil society to learn
about, discuss, enrich and sign said statement. We are especially calling on
young people, women and children to embrace this statement and to promote it
throughout the world.

Fourth - The EZLN is directing itself particularly to individuals and social
and non-governmental organizations in Mexico to undertake a national campaign of
dissemination of the We Are Working For Peace and Justice document, promoting
its discussion, enrichment and signing.

The EZLN is especially asking the Zapatista Front of National Liberation (FZLN),
in unity with social organizations, groups and individuals, independents and
critics of the political parties, to set up tables for information, discussion
and the collection of signatures, and to form brigades which, with the same
objective, will travel to schools, neighborhoods, factories, businesses,
villages, ejidos, communities, and anyplace else where honest and noble people
exist, in order to invite them to join in the repudiation of the war. The EZLN
is proposing that, in said tables and brigades, they inform and discuss, not
just the current war in Iraq, but also the disastrous consequences of neoliberal
policies and globalization in our lands, denouncing the accomplices and local
operatives of those policies of death and destruction.

Fifth - The EZLN is directing itself to the committees in solidarity with the
zapatista struggle in Europe, in Latin America and in the rest of the world, to
solicit, respectfully, in their countries, and in accordance with their means
and ingenuity, promoting the manifesto, knowledge about it, discussion,
enrichment and signatures.

The EZLN is making a special and respectful request to the North American and
British peoples, to their organizations and individuals, artists, intellectuals
and religious persons, to - whether by signing this document or through other
means - distance themselves from the murderous madness of their respective
governments.

Sixth - The EZLN is proposing that the different bodies which are created to
coordinate efforts and carry out joint actions should regularly inform the
public on the activities they carry out and the number of signatures that are
accumulating, in addition to communicating by web page with the people who
initiated the document: http://www.zmag.org

Seventh - The EZLN is proposing that on May 1, 2003, International Worker's
Day, a worldwide report should be given on the progress of this initiative.

Brothers and sisters:

We cannot remain silent in the face of what is now going on. While our
governments are pretending to be concerned about peace, while our governments
are fighting among themselves for what will remain of a destroyed country, while
our governments are lamenting the war because of the possible drop in profits by
the big companies, while our governments are refusing a public and clear
definition of condemnation of those who are carrying out a war against all of
humanity, ...we cannot make cynicism and indifference a new religion.

Signing a document could appear to be little for some, but it is not just the
signing that is being proposed, but its discussion and enrichment. The signing
of the statement does not involve abandoning the carrying out of other
mobilizations. On the contrary, it will allow more people to participate, more
people to listen, and more people to be involved in a movement that is
worldwide, like the war which has provoked it. What is important to the
zapatistas is not so much the number of signatures, but the rebellion and
defiance which inspire them.

In all ways, in all places, in all languages and with all colors, we are
saying: NO to the war!


Democracy!
Liberty!
Justice!

>From the mountains of the Mexican Southeast.

By the Clandestine Revolutionary Indigenous Committee - General Command of the
Zapatista Army of National Liberation.
Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos
Mexico, April of 2003.


author by Myrna G.publication date Sun Apr 06, 2003 22:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It keeps the focus on a far away land, and avoids discussion of this most defining moment in Irish history: When the commander-in-chief of the army of conquest of Iraq, Bush, is on his way to Ireland to demand that Ireland's liberation army, the IRA, complete its process of surrender.

author by New lodge zapatistaspublication date Sun Apr 06, 2003 23:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sub commandente Marcos is goodlooking though, compared to has been nazi George dumbwar Bush and tiny 'i'll set my big boy chums on you' Tony blurrrr.

author by NVpublication date Sun Apr 06, 2003 23:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Oh FUCK OFF you fool the IRA are NOT an army of liberation and it is not a surrender to stop their MURDER and any decent anti-war activist would think you are a STUPID IDIOT.

You really think that the IRA should go back to murdering innocent people? sounds very pro-war to me. maybe you should be protesting outside to say that? Bush might come over and shake your hand. You know, warmongers united and all that.

author by dapublication date Sun Apr 06, 2003 23:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Gerry Adams will come down in my estimation if he decides to shake the hand of those terrorists, George Bush and Tony Blair.

author by eyespypublication date Mon Apr 07, 2003 00:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

To the best of my knowledge Master Adams shook the hand of Bushkiller at the the same reception that Aherne was dishing out the SHAMrock diplomacy. Correct me if i'm wrong!

author by dapublication date Mon Apr 07, 2003 01:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You're right, he did.
Actually I was just winding up NV.

author by Chelopublication date Mon Apr 07, 2003 15:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thank you companyeros! I live in Ireland for a few years and i also know and have lived in zapatista's comunities. I'm so proud of calling myself a Zapatista.Love to the mountains of the Mexican south east from the west of ireland.

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