For Israel Lobby Group, War Is Topic A, Quietly

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by Jeff Blankfort
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On March 3rd, Congressman Jim Moran, a Democrat from West Virginia,
infuriated the Jewish establishment when he told an antiwar forum that

QUOTE "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for
this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."

Moran also said that Jewish community leaders "are influential enough"
to forestall a war.

According to the polls, 59% of American Jews support the war, a figure
fairly consistent with the rest of the population.

As he expressed it later, he was referring mainly to the community
leadership.

Following the forum, Moran repeatedly offered apologies, but some
national Jewish leaders have refused to accept them.

On Friday, after six Jewish colleagues in the House urged him to make
this term his last, and under pressure from Senate Minority Leader Tom
Daschle and House Whip, San Francisco's Nancy Pelosi, Moran relinquished
his regional whip position in the House Democratic Caucus.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who moonlights as an Israel
lobbyist, called Moran's remarks "shocking. They are wrong, and they
should not have been said."

Outside of Congress, however, he had his defenders.

The conservative London Economist pointed out that QUOTE
"Whatever his faults, Mr. Moran is not alone in raising suspicions about
the fact that so many hawks in the Bush administration, including the
deputy defense secretary, Paul Wolfowitz and the head of the Pentagon's
defense-policy board, Richard Perle, happen to be Jewish.

"Gradually people from the left and right," it went on, "are beginning
to allege in public what some moderates whisper privately: that war
against Iraq has been promoted by a cabal of Jewish hardliners who are
more concerned with protecting Israel than they are with advancing
America's national interest. END QUOTE.

That's from the London Economist.

There is no doubt, writes Sam Smith in the online Progressive Review -
that if one considers the 'Jewish community' as the American Israel
Public Affairs Committee and various large Jewish campaign contributors
- that Rep. Moran was quite correct in saying that they could have a
significant effect on the course of our policy in the Middle East.

For example, he notes it took only three days for them to have a
significant effect on the course of Rep. Moran's career, getting his
cowardly colleagues to force him out of his House leadership position.

Earlier, he points out, they helped to have a similar effect on Rep
Cynthia McKinney, who went down to defeat thanks in part to an influx of
pro-Israel money.

To back up his contention, Smith cites an article by the Washington
Post's White House correspondent, Dana Milbank, last November:

Here's what Milbank wrote:

"A group of U.S. political consultants has sent pro-Israel leaders a
memo urging them to keep quiet while the Bush administration pursues a
possible war with Iraq.

"The six-page memo was sent by the Israel Project, a group funded by
American Jewish organizations and individual donors.

"Its authors said the main audience was American Jewish leaders, but
much of the memo's language is directed toward Israelis. The memo
reflects a concern that involvement by Israel in a U.S.-Iraq
confrontation could hurt Israel's standing in American public opinion
and undermine international support for a hard line against Iraqi
President Saddam Hussein . . .

"The Iraq memo was issued in the past few weeks and labeled
'confidential property of the Israel Project,' which is led by
Democratic consultant Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi with help from Democratic
pollster Stan Greenberg and Republican pollsters Neil Newhouse and Frank
Luntz.

"Several of the consultants have advised Israeli politicians, and the
group aired a pro-Israel ad earlier this year.

In the memo, titled 'Talking About Iraq.' they wrote QUOTE' If your goal
is regime change, you must be much more careful with your language
because of the potential backlash.'

"It added: 'You do not want Americans to believe that the war on Iraq is
being waged to protect Israel rather than to protect America.'

This is not the first time this strategy has been tried. For example, in
January 1991, David Rogers of the Wall Street Journal wrote:

"When Congress debated going to war with Iraq, the pro-Israel lobby
stayed in the background - but not out of the fight.

"Leaders of the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee now acknowledge
it worked in tandem with the Bush administration to win passage of a
resolution authorizing the president to commit U.S. troops to combat.

"The behind-the-scenes campaign avoided Aipac's customary high profile
in the Capitol and relied instead on activists-calling sometimes from
Israel itself-to contact lawmakers and build on public endorsements by
major Jewish organizations.

 "The debate revealed a deep ambivalence among Jewish lawmakers over
what course to follow, pitting their generally liberal instincts against
their support of Israel.

"Friends and families were divided. And even as some pro-Israel
advocates urged a more aggressive stance, there was concern that the
lobby risked damaging Israel's longer-term interests if the issue became
too identified with Jewish or pro-Israel polities.

That was from the Wall Street Journal in December. 1991.  A similar
story appeared at the time in the Washington Jewish Week.

As if in a total replay of the first Gulf War, the New York Jewish
weekly, Forward, reported last October 11th, American Jewish Committee's
David Harris, warned other Jewish leaders that "We should not be
perceived as being out in front of the administration" in supporting the
war."

"A stronger Israel is very much embedded in the rationale for war,"
wrote Richard Stengel, a columnist for Time magazine's online edition.

"It is a part of the argument that dare not speak its name, a fantasy
quietly cherished by the neoconservative faction in the Bush
administration and by many leaders of the American Jewish community."
END QUOTE.

Meanwhile, Israel is looking for big things from the war. Yesterday's
Arizona Daily Star
Carried an interview with Raanan Gissin, a well-known spokesman and
senior adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East
point to one thing," said Gissin, - "World War III.

"We´ve been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the
harbinger of World War III," added. The world is going to fight, whether
they like it or not.

Gissin called the war a clash between the civilized and uncivilized
worlds.

"It´s a clash between the forces of evil, as (President Bush) so neatly
described it, and the forces of life."

Gissin may be right but he has the sides mixed up. Following the
Murder of Rachel Corrie, the Israeli army killed 13 more Palestinians
including an infant and two teenagers.

And in case, you're still doubtful about what the coming war is about,
here's a Q and A from an exclusive interview in Time magazine's European
edition with former Israeli chief of staff and current defense minister
Shaul Mofaz that will be out next week. was asked:
When he was asked, " What changes do you think a war will bring in the
Middle East?, Mofaz replied,

"It's a clear message to Iraq, Iran and Libya, and other states that
don't have peace treaties with us, that non-conventional capabilities
and support for terror are things the U.S. won't allow."

So, there's the message. This war is about something more than oil.

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Interesting discussion on the 'USS Liberty' forum between
www.jewishtribalreview.org and other users.

Sir. The "audience" you mention has always been "lost." Criticising
"Zionists" only is futile, because "Zionists" blend in and out of Jewry
much like civilians/army defenders now in Baghadad. Who is a "Zionist"
exactly, and who is not? Please define this for me. The "Jewish" dimension
to this serves as a ring of defense. If you criticize Jewry, you're defined
as an "anti-Semite," subject to ostracizing and punishment. If you
criticize Zionists, you're an anti-semite. And if you criticize the state
of Israel, you're an anti-Semite. This is the totalitarian Thought Control
that exists in this realm. As you surely recognize.

If the Palestinian people cannot name their true nemesis, they are doomed.
As are so many others. The battle for justice is in America, not in the
Middle East. And it is a propaganda war, that has been entirely one-sided
in favor of the Jewish Lobby. Even the Liberty sailors have been victim to
it.

America will continue to be spirited away by a band of ethnocentric racists
who are dragging us all to the Apocalypse. Unless we honestly name the
problem. The root of all the problems in the Middle East, the attack on the
Liberty and its cover-up, and on and on, is due to the massive Jewish
American Lobby that stifles all criticism of its power and influence. And
you have fallen prey to this censorial effort. It is a form of intellectual
and moral totalitarianism. Either you have internalized Judeocentric
nonsense, or you offer your thoughts merely as a political tactic, since
criticing JEWS is absolutely forbidden in our increasingly totalitarian
society.

The Jewish community criticizes "Christians" without distinction. It
criticizes "Muslims" without distinction. It criticizes Poles, Russians,
Brazilians, Arabs, and just about anyone else you'd care to name as
"anti-Semitic" -- without distinction. That's because this is the CORE of
modern Jewish identity: popular proclaimation of Jewish victimization at
the hands of others, even as modern Jewry -- via Israel -- rises to new
heights of exploitation and oppression. Zionism was born of this in Jewry,
and NOT the other way around.

And you say "Don't criticize Jews because then you'll lose your audience."

Sir. The "audience" is coming. Day by day. Minute by minute, as so much of
the world rises up in rage against the United States that has been coopted
by a band of Jewish racists who seek mold their neighbors to their colonial
liking.

It is has nothing to do with my opinion, or your opinion, on this matter.
It has to do with what is moral. That so many have been successfully
socially engineered to hold the bizarre conviction that it is, on the
contrary, IMMORAL to criticize the ethnocentric, chauvnist Jewish Lobby is
the ESSENCE of the dilemma we all face today.

Original Message:
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From: Robert E. Nordlander [email protected]
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:17:24 -0600
To: [email protected]

by Avi H. Thu Apr 03, 2003 18:43

Er, there is none. The fact that Israel supplies equipment to the US military is not the same as involvement in the war, otherwise France, Italy, Germany and all the other defence equipment countries could be accused of taking part. Therefore, this is a meaningless accusation, so why pick on Israel?

Criticism of Israel is not per se anti-Semitic. However, where the tone of criticism moves away from reason and into the realms of ranting, then this is where anti-Semitism starts. This is all the more true, where Jews as a religious or racial group are referred to.

By the way, criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitic per se, because Zionism does not make any claims about borders in the Middle East beyond positing the existence of a Jewish state there. To deny the legitimacy of Israel's existence at all is to deny the right of the Jewish people to self-determination, when all other peoples, including the Palestinians have that right without question. This is in itself anti-Semitic, therefore.

by Avi H. Thu Apr 03, 2003 18:45

By the way, the essence of classic anti-Semitism is to claim the existence of a Jewish conspiracy with subversive aims.

by kokomero Thu Apr 03, 2003 18:58

Where do you think these monsters with your equally monstrous tactics in levelling peoples homes or anybody who happens to get in your way will be used?

by curious Thu Apr 03, 2003 23:06

So Avi is Norman Finkelstein a classic anti-Semite or is he a non-classic one ? Or what is he ?

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by Avi H. Fri Apr 04, 2003 06:17

I don't like or agree with his views, but he is not an anti-Semite, as he uses very carefully reasoned argument and does not rant. Can't you see the distinction between that and ranting of one sort or another?

by kokomero Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:22

Forget the smokescreen Avi and answer the question. Let's hear your unique perspective on how and why the Israeli military are advising the US on military tactics? Perhaps you'd like to comment on where the line between advice and active participation is? Does the advice and cooperation extend to targeting?