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Antiwar damage to property necessary and reasonable

category national | miscellaneous | news report author Sunday March 30, 2003 18:25author by Eoin Dubsky Report this post to the editors

Who wept in 1989 for the Berlin Wall when the people of East Germany reduced it to piles of rubble using their household hammers and garden tools? Was this flagrant display of property damage supported in Ireland because it was popular or because it was right?

Some people have jumped from the term "property damage" to "criminal damage" without bothering to look up what the second term really means. Even the Irish statute books acknowledge that there are times when breaking stuff is okay (i.e. property damage != criminal damage), and I will be making this case again for my appeal in Ennis Circuit Court in May.

To have a "lawful excuse" you need to (i) Believe that there were circumstances threatening yourself or others (including property); and (ii) that under the circumstances as you believed them to be, your actions to protect yourself or others were reasonable. Your beliefs could be entirely groundless and it would still be okay (see section 6 of the Criminal Damage Act, 1991: http://193.120.124.98/ZZA31Y1991S6.html), but the actions had to be "reasonable". So for example, you might be right that a riot can be a life threatening situation, but breaking the window of a TV shop probably wouldn't be accepted as a reasonable action to protect yourself/others under the circumstances.

The onus of proof is on the prosecution to prove (beyond reasonable doubt) that the property damage was done without lawful excuse. If there is even reasonable doubt that there could have been a lawful excuse the judge must find the defendant "not guilty".

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
   not up date on irish law but     simon    Sun Mar 30, 2003 19:06 
   same law - though Judiciary are politicised here so ignoring letter and spirit     cccrrriiitttiiiccc    Sun Mar 30, 2003 19:10 
   Irish law     the brehon    Sun Mar 30, 2003 19:16 
   and of course     the brehon    Sun Mar 30, 2003 19:18 
   I don't think so, Eoin     Mike    Sun Mar 30, 2003 19:19 
   ignatius the indignant is still in Rome     iosaf    Sun Mar 30, 2003 19:36 
   A bit like Bloody Sunday really ....     Lord Widgeridoo    Sun Mar 30, 2003 21:18 
   Statutory defence, not common law     Eoin Dubsky    Sun Mar 30, 2003 22:41 
   On burden of proof, In reply to Mike     Eoin Dubsky    Sun Mar 30, 2003 23:19 
 10   Hmmm.     Sparks    Sun Mar 30, 2003 23:34 
 11   More on burden of proof, and on Nuremberg Principles     Eoin Dubsky    Mon Mar 31, 2003 00:39 
 12   Plead Insane     USA all the way    Mon Mar 31, 2003 00:46 
 13   You're A Fucking Poet     Intransigent    Mon Mar 31, 2003 01:24 
 14   Food for Thought     Daithi    Mon Mar 31, 2003 14:57 
 15   Once Again, Those On The Fringes Ignore Workers     Gregory Carson    Mon Mar 31, 2003 18:42 
 16   Greg Carson     Omar Ahmed    Tue Apr 01, 2003 01:25 
 17   In reply to Gregory, on strike action     Eoin Dubsky    Tue Apr 01, 2003 01:38 
 18   acting alone     pc    Tue Apr 01, 2003 16:41 
 19   acting alone     gillies macbain    Tue Apr 15, 2003 20:59 
 20   Update: Balance of probabability needed only     Eoin Dubsky    Sun Apr 25, 2004 00:54 


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