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Wednesday May 08, 2002 12:02
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14i'm not sure if it's a good idea. it would be better to ask them to call the protest off.
can we demand no swp/gr placards everywhere? no paper sales? no joe carolan's press conferences? no misrepresentations? no swp's pontifications?
even if they say yes, will they respect the agreement? we all know what they're like. if it's the same old crap a lot of people will be annoyed.
I can understand people being pissed off at what they see as SWP/GR attempts to 'monoplolise resistance'. As Brian Cahill pointed out, it is political sectarianism when a group puts its own narrow organisational interests ahead of the interests of a broader movement.
However, RTS has, probably reluctantly, called on us to show up on Thursday. Now we need to get people there. Otherwise sections of the media may use a small turnout to claim that there is not a lot of concern about the Garda attacks on Monday.
We can passively wait around for some politician to 'promise' to do something (and remember, election promises are not legally binding!) or we can try to mobilise big numbers to make it clear that our civil liberties will not be surrendered.
How about a march taking the same route? Give at least a week to get the word out and get maximum numbers. Make it a big 'defend civil liberties' event.
Last year when Dublin City Council tried to bring it new regulations restricting public protest, it was the big demonstration outside City Hall which helped pressure them into changing their minds.
And let's not get hot and bothered about people selling or giving away their political papers and leaflets at events. Surely it is a basic civil liberty to be able to use public space to promote alternative ideas.
The SWP get up my nose. I don't like their politics, methods or manipulation of others. But what is the best way to counter this? Is it not to get better ideas to people?
I was told that anyone seeking legal action against the Gardaí shouldn't attend as it may have an adverse effect on the case?
Any ideas?
the planned protest on thurs. is a bad idea. we
have the upper hand nowand the protest may just
backfire
i also dont like the idea of swp or any
particular group attempting to monopolise the
movement
ps could someone enlighten me as to exactly how much
control swp have over gr (of which im a sort of
member) i thought it was supposed to be a broad
left umbrella group
We all came to play on Monday,
so
I know I'll be bringing coloured chalks on Thursday....it's nonviolent, fun, and can subvert the space, especially a space such as Pearse Street, with all its connotations.
If even 100 people there wrote what they thought about Monday on the pavement and walls, we would have a brightly coloured (temporary) relic and monument, living art, at least until it rains and is washed away. A few slogans explaining the aims of RTS, like Cars Are Extinct Anyway, Building Inner City Gardens etc. I'm willing to give chalk to anyone who wants some!
We are not an opposition; we are a proposition.
Our way has no war, or at least should not. Monday was not a 'Battle', no matter how groups may wish to represent it, for their purposes. Battles, like wars, require at least 2 sides. By casting it as a battle, there is an attempt to create one. For their purposes.
But on Thursday there will be a crowd surrounding a Castle, due to the brutality of the Guards.
The formula is old; but to follow the ancient precepts is idiocy.
Its not enough to be angry about the attacks, however 'right' we may be, nowhere near enough. The Garda said 'just hit them, we don't want to look like idiots'. And now they do, they look like angry, vicious idiots, incompetent, bloodthirsty, or both.
But there are and will be similar among us. And their interests, and that of the Gardai, converge and coincide on violence. Both feed on it. This is the danger, seen in utero.
I will be there tomorrow, limping and laughing. I sincerely doubt there will ever be any significant disciplinary action taken on Mondays thugs or their superiors. I hope there is, but I don't expect it. Like many others, I no longer think that there is rule of law in this country.
But I can still laugh at them...
If we lack the imagination to creatively reinterpret a situation, we deserve the System we have.
But, if we can reinterpret and play with it,
then truly
All Is Ours
Lefty: "the planned protest on thurs. is a bad idea. we
have the upper hand nowand the protest may just
backfire"
And the alternative is do nothing? With the media coverage of late it would be highly appropriate to demonstrate. You think we should sit back while the Garda's batton people off the street for partying?
as i predicted the swp (under the name globalise resistance cos they are so unpopular) will be out in force on thursday.is there any bandwagon they dont hop on?
thursday will be a joke now with the swp screaming their usual outdated commie rubbish.
i for one am not going ,mainly for the reason that ive had it up to my eyeballs with the militant recruiters of the swp.
Jesus that's all the more reason to go and show all the people who have read the papers/listened to the radio/saw the T.V. that it is not just the S.W.P. who are concerned about this, sitting at home will achieve nothing, sitting at home is what the S.W.P. want anyone that disagree with their party to do so as they can easily recruit fresh new blood - which is what Thursday is about to them.
On Monday people were battered off the streets for partying. What are we going to do if not take to the streets?
6.00 p.m. Thursday, Pearse Street Garda Station.
Go there or give into to the police.
But I'll be there. I'll be late cos this tree hugging liberal hippy doesn't finish work till 6.
As for taking time off, I like having a roof.
But I'll be there. I'll be late cos this tree hugging liberal hippy doesn't finish work till 6.
As for taking time off, I like having a roof.
This attack has now got 3 day worth of media coverage out of it. Its now time to expand the issue. The Cops a fucked who ever is in goverment will have to chage the complaints board. They have lost nobody belives them or trusts them. Pearse st cop shop in in the South East where Eoin Ryan (F.F) Ruairi Quinn (Ladour) Michael MaDowell (PD's) are contesting the next general election. Although FF PD and FG are right wing other majot groups are leftish Like worker Party and Labour and sort of Sein Fein. Its big news it time to push other issues on to them as well INVITE them to speak at the rally. RTS invite them Not the SWP/GR. Let them hear our problems maybe it will do good
but more imprtantly it will give us a good image and allies with spin docters which will be a help in the futher.
Shay Ryan SWP
Dathai Doolan SF
eion Ryan FF
Chris Andrews FF
Tom Crilly WP
Ruairi Quinn Lab
Michael mcDowell PD's
Two FG people sorry don't know there names
It will achive one thing SWP/Gr cant hijack it.
Thing about RTS.
The questions you raised about SWP's dominance of GR are dealt with in an excellent article called "Monopolise Resistance" published by SchNEWS. It's available for free on their web site: www.schnews.org.uk
I just wanted to comer in on something Comrade Jim just said in reference to people of organisations other than the SWP taking part in the protest tomorrow.
Daithí Doolan of Sinn Féin will be speaking at the event. There were a few party members at the RTS demo on Monday (Not including myself) but to be honest, we weren't hugely enthusiastic about the idea at first because we had heard that some of the RTS organisers were opposed to the idea and for many of the other reasons outlined by other people regarding the protest. We also had no particular desire to be seen as bandwagon jumpers or to be perceived as hijacking an RTS event.
That said, an attack on freedom of speech is an attack on all of us. Almost every party and grouping in Dublin campaigned against the attempt to make protests on O'Connell St much more difficult and we defeated it. Such a law would have affected us all. Activists being beaten off the street affects us all as well. Combined with the fact that other groups, including some of the RTS organisers seem to be encouraging the protest helped us decide to attend and speak at the protest and I hope we get a good crowd.
Is mise,
Justin Moran
Justin, can I ask who invited you to speak at this event? As far as I'm concerned there should be only two speakers tonight - one to explain what RTS is about, and one to speak on behalf of those beaten and arrested. The last thing we need is a long parade of the usual suspects lining up to speak.