Fuck the UN: No War on Iraq.

by simon Wed Mar 19, 2003 20:22

Can you explain how 'taking the streets' can have any plausible effect without diplomatic structures such as the UN to try and filter each countries peoples concerns wishes and dreams. They may not speak for you directly but you probably forget we live in a big world with diverse political and non-political opinions.

Yes there are elements of the UN structure which are despiciple(?) but maybe the internal power struggles will oust some of the economic power holds. When you say fuck the UN you also say fuck the huge humanitarian and peace-keeping structures that the UN represent. It is a fact that the UN are a trusted structure of diplomacy by virtue of its multilateralism and that cannot be denied.

I stand on the side of grassroots activism but I realise co-operation is better than weak anarcho-ranting your Take to the streets call has the same emotive hollowness as Bush's roundabout declaration of war. sorry.

by Bluto Sat Mar 15, 2003 17:40

I have no doubt I'd be eaten up and spat out at the UN. It's a structure that facilitates powerful men from powerful countries. So it doesn't represent or help me. So fuck 'em.

Your post demonstrates perfectly how and why the UN will never work. It can only be a rump of bleating liberals trailing after the fascists of this world.

What point is the continuation of the UN if it cannot stop war? How can it stop war as it is presently constituted with it's undemocratic division into Sec.Council members and the General Assembly?

It is those like yourself that would follow Bush to war to ensure the continuation of a structure that cannot prevent war that are the very means of the undoing of the original purpose of the UN.

The UN, like any other representative body, cannot initiate moral change, it can only operate to rubber stamp the decisions that result from what the citizens of this world LET their governments get away with.

Appealling to those government's morals within the structure of the UN is proven to be the wrong way to effect change and enforce morality.

Fuck the UN. Take the streets.

by simon Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:25

Bluto, you dont work within a complex and fragile peer-orientated 'construct' such as the UN. You can say what you like without any foresight or consideration for anything.

I imagine if you were sat in the security council chamber you would be eaten up and spat out. You have a centralised view of the difficult 'goings-on' within the UN. For many countries and diplomats the contiuation of the UN is far more important than the persuit of self-interest. Im sure many go in with the notion that this is the best we have so lets persue it.

I reckon that many in the UN realise that the US will go to war anyway and if the UN arent involved what way will it go. They need to have some leverage in the way the world is run even if that means following somebody like bush to war. Keep your eyes on him.

things are bigger than fuck the UN. Fuck war.

by meme Fri Mar 14, 2003 22:48

In 1946, Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, said: "The very essence of the Nuremberg charter is that individuals have international duties which transcend national obligations of obedience imposed by the state."