The M17 Deadline: Just another Paddy's Day?

by barry Wed Mar 12, 2003 16:04

Is this going to go on the indymedia.org site, I see theres a report on shannon there but so far no mention of this, just the call for mar. 15th demos.

by Mags Wed Mar 12, 2003 16:56

I have seen a few people wearing yellow stickers with a shamrock on them and 'No to War' on the leaves of the shamrock.

Does anyone know who is producing these or where a supply can be got as I am willing to give them out...

by Phuq Hedd Wed Mar 12, 2003 17:33

Americans are already solidly AGAINST the war! They don't need to have their opinion changed, there is more anti-war activity in the USA than there is in Ireland. Go look at any of the US indymedias and you'll see report after report of hundreds of thousands of people turning out every couple of weeks for anti-war protests, of people standing out on street corners every weekend. Listen to Democracy NOW! on the web. If we had half the public consciousness and analysis here that they have there then we'd be lucky. Americans know that their country is sliding towards fascism and they need our help to stop and curb it now.

The USA is miles of ahead of Ireland in anti-war activity.

Ireland needs to pull its own thumb out and do something instead of convincing the convinced.

Maybe the protest can be useful in showing the majority of Americans that we SUPPORT their opposition to the Resident, but billing it in this patronising manner is insulting to them and blinds us to our own problem in supporting the war.

by Mags Wed Mar 12, 2003 17:49

I have seen a few people wearing yellow stickers with a shamrock on them and 'No to War' on the leaves of the shamrock.

Does anyone know who is producing these or where a supply can be got as I am willing to give them out...

by Phuq Hedd Wed Mar 12, 2003 17:59

Respondents are claimed in general to be from more wealthy and conservative milieus and to be more likely to express an anti-administration opinion in private. Furthermore some claim that polls should be conducted at fixed intervals and that the polling body should have to state whether or not there was a previous poll discarded.

This is the definitive summary of publically available polls:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

Here are a couple of older ones with excerpted journalists' interpretations:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A23564-2003Jan21¬Found=true
Washington Post, January2003 poll
Seven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that found growing doubts about an attack on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

In addition to the public's skepticism about military action against Iraq, the poll found that a majority of Americans disapproved of President Bush's handling of the economy for the first time in his presidency.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1217-03.htm
LA Times, Dec2002 poll
But in the absence of new evidence from U.N. inspectors, 72% of respondents, including 60% of Republicans, said the president has not provided enough evidence to justify starting a war with Iraq.

by ipsiphi Wed Mar 12, 2003 18:53

marks a focused marketing ploy by Irish distillers and brewers.
Every city in Europe promotes Irish pubs for this day. Guinness have spent as every year a fortune on promoting their associated "Irish pubs".
It may be an idea for "irish abroad" if they are not integrated into their communities and thus local community protests/actions for that day to do something at the local pub.
[though it is worthy of comment that since cost of beverage in an "irish" bar is generally three times the price of local "brew" most genuinely resident Irish abroad are rarely seen in the places].

by Begorrah McBegovia - Saoirse Thu Mar 13, 2003 09:28 Teachtidobheal at irishforperverts dot ie

1. The Bush Coup D'Etat have already decided what they have planned. The sucker tax-payers will pay for it in money, kin and pain.

2. The conversion of Oil dollars to EU Dollars insures the rise of the EU.

3. Saudi "Revolution" slated for Jan 04, "they wanted to be free of tyranny".

4. Tehran? "You will never see such a hive of scum and villanry..." (Invasion slated for 06)

5. Bible Scholars - Riddle me this, wasn't Mussolini the apocryphal "roman empire" redux? Or was it the Ottomans? or prehaps the EU? I guess it depends on what you believe, doesn't it?

by ipsiphi (ag feachaint). Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:32

ar na plé a beo.ie tá siad go leír ag caint faoi Lá 'le Pádraig is an Koran as gaeilge.
Is maith liom an píosanna seo;
"Ní dócha go rachadh siad chun cogaidh ar Breithlá na Banríona! Nó ar an 4ú Lá de Mhí Iúil!"
¿Is fíor é no?
is aon duine eile a scríobh;
"Ar aon nós, cha raibh i bPádraig (dá naofacht) ach blow-in."

= ¿St Patricks day, day of half peace?
on the discussion forum of "life".ie they´re talking about St. Patricks day and the koran in irish. I like this piece. "it's not supposed they'd start war on the Queen's birthday! or the 4th of July" ¿it's true no?
and someone else wrote;
"anyway where was Patrick from (by birth) nought but a Blow-in"

For the benefit of those unfamiliar with the Irish langauge and custom, the Queen´s birthday is a two day event which marks the anniversary of the birth of the "English queen" [Mrs Saxe Coburg Goethe Windsor] she also has a "official" birthday which is the anniversary of the day she got the job. A "blow-in" is not a variation of the karma sutra but rather is someone newly arrived to a country or society.

koran in Irish thread:http://beo.ie/ple/view.asp?id=10302&thread=10302

by iosaf (been around for a few general strikes) Thu Mar 13, 2003 13:04

there are many types of Whiskey.

by Daithi Thu Mar 13, 2003 15:18

Iosaf, mo chara: "i leith" = "for", "leath"="half". 'Se an fath go bhfuil an abairt sin curtha isteach againn ann na gur feidir "La 'le" a scriobh mar "La Fheile" no "La i leith".

by iosaf/ipsiphi Thu Mar 13, 2003 18:50

aon duine eile a scríobh "le Padraig, la i leith siochan?"
Rinne mé "cut agus paste" gan smaoine.
:-(

by Daithi Fri Mar 14, 2003 03:38

mise a scriobh an abairt sin sa chead ait. chomh fada 's eol dom..

by iosaf/ipsiphi/ the dreaded Mr O´as-if Fri Mar 14, 2003 13:35

cén uisce beatha is fearr leatsa?

by countryman Tue Mar 18, 2003 17:25

just wondering if there are any snaps of the paddys day march in letterkenny.It led the parade and got a good if rather sober reception.

by Phuq Hedd Tue Mar 18, 2003 19:18

This piece from March18th counterpunch backs up the assertion that there is no need to convince the people of the USA of anything. What's needed is to stop US planes.
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AP Misrepresents Poll in Headline

Our friend Chris Kromm, director of the Institute for Southern Studies, examined a March 15 AP news story on a poll on pro and anti war sentiment among We the People and promptly dashed off the following letter to AP:

March 15, 2003
Dear Associated Press, Today, the AP filed a story with the following headline: "Poll: Bush Has Solid Support for War." Many readers, of course, will read only that headline, taking with it the message that the U.S. public overwhelmingly supports the Bush Administration's drive to war in Iraq. However, after wading through reporter Will Lester's spin to actually read the poll results, one finds the exact opposite to be true.

Buried in paragraph six, we find the relevant numbers: "The poll found that about half of adults, 47 percent, say they support military action to remove Iraqi President Saddam Hussein from power and disarm Iraq, even without the support of the United Nations Security Council. Almost four in 10, 37 percent, said the United States should do that only with full support of the Security Council; 13 percent said the United States should not take military action even if the Security Council agrees."

President Bush has resolutely stated he will prosecute a war against Iraq without the "full support of the [UN] Security Council" -- and appears poised to do so.

This means that fully 50% (37% + 13%) of those polled OPPOSE the Bush Administration policy on Iraq, as compared to 47% in favor.

Why is the Associated Press afraid to honestly report the poll's findings? What can justify such an astonishingly misleading headline, followed by reporting from Mr. Lester with a similarly suspect message -- when the actual facts presented in the article point to precisely the opposite conclusion?

I await an explanation, and hopefully, a very public correction.

Sincerely,

Chris Kromm
Director,
Institute for Southern Studies
Durham, NC