Bomb defused at west Belfast police station

by pat c Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:57

A loyalist feud, loyalists attacking catholics. Death threats to postal workers.

But Bootboy Bobby gets stuck in republicans as usual.

by James Butler Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:07 Co Monaghan

This kind of action is futile. It will achieve absolutely nothing. When radicals get caried away they think violence is justified. There is not much differnece between these attacks and the attacks in Shannon. Both are acts of violence, and both have a distinct lack of public support. As we have seen many times before, peace movements become hijacked by the men and women of violence.

by pat c Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:14

You compare the damaging of a Military Aircraft, which involved no violence even against military personnel)to a bombing which could have killed civilians?

Do you take yourself seriously?

by James Butler Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:31

Perhaps Pat you agree with bully tactics and law breaking. So if you don't like me that gives you the right to break my windows???
Four incidents of vandalism at Shannon means the Irish taxpayer has to pay 1.5 million Euro for the damamges. We are now also faced with a massive bill for Army and Garda overtime at Shannon (thanks to Dubsky et al) money which will without doubt have to be taken from health & education budgets and mabey even our State contribution to Third World projects. Thats some achievement Pat, isn't it?

So it was only a plane (unarmed) damaged at Shannon. Ah well, sure it will only be a Mc Donalds shop smashed up next time. Or mabey some American factories in irleand being stormed and defaced with anti-war slogans. Sure its all so peaceful Pat. Get a grip on yourself man. Go back to your Sinn Fein buddies.

by Terry Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:51

James, I think I can safely say that most people don't like violence either, but the
way you link bomb attacks in the North and damage to a warplane is just plain absurd.
I would have thought the purpose of the bomb is to cause death and injury, while the
purpose of the action in Shannon was to reduce death and injury.???

Anyway, passing over that and getting to your main point, you say violence is futile.
If that's the case, then is war futile in your opinion?

by Republican Fri Feb 14, 2003 13:07

How is an attack on a RUC barracks sectarian??

by iosaf Fri Feb 14, 2003 13:27

you each give 5€ a year.
lots eh? thank you very much say the 3rd world.
5€ is a lot of money in western Africa.
Where the Irish state has invested over 100million€ in a big fishing boat.
yes the Irish state has invested more in exploitation of the 3rd worlds resources then it gives in aid. I know as a kid i used cog my homework off the talentless type that as much inherited the brief of deciding "Irish governmental bilateral aid" to the 3rd world. The great republic and its great "civil servants", not a cent is given without profit.

by pat c Fri Feb 14, 2003 13:56

"Perhaps Pat you agree with bully tactics and law breaking. So if you don't like me that gives you the right to break my windows??? "

Have you ever heard of logic & reasoned argument? What do your windows have to do with opposing the US War effort?

"Four incidents of vandalism at Shannon means the Irish taxpayer has to pay 1.5 million Euro for the damamges. "

Vandalism in your opinion not mine. I believe it shouldnt be paid. In any case Aer Riante have insurance to cover such events.

"We are now also faced with a massive bill for Army and Garda overtime at Shannon (thanks to Dubsky et al) money which will without doubt have to be taken from health & education budgets and mabey even our State contribution to Third World projects. Thats some achievement Pat, isn't it?"

So why dont you oppose this deployment of the Army & Garda? I'm against such diversion of resources.

"So it was only a plane (unarmed) damaged at Shannon."

Not just a plane; it was a US Military Jet which was transporting supplies. If the resulting dislocation of the US War effort results in evemn one less Iraqi death, then its worth it.

"Ah well, sure it will only be a Mc Donalds shop smashed up next time."

Again the lack of logic. You are the person raising the spectre of attacks on MacDonalds. No one in any of the Anti War groups suggests such a thing.

" Or mabey some American factories in irleand being stormed and defaced with anti-war slogans."

Again, no one in the Anti war groups have suggested a general painting of slogans on US owned businesses. You seem to have such action on your mind.

Perhaps you are Anti American?

However how could any peace loving person be upset if (US or Irish owned) computer & armanent firms which directly supply the US Military were spraypainted with anti war slogans?

" Sure its all so peaceful Pat."

what I am proposing is.

"Get a grip on yourself man. Go back to your Sinn Fein buddies."

where is the reasoned argument? Whether or not I have buddies in SF is hardly relevant.

by jm Fri Feb 14, 2003 14:10

if your house were to soon be responsible for killing loads of people (or transporting loads of people to kill other people) you can bet your sweet ass that i would break your fucking windows.

make love, not war.

by MacAindreis - NAMELESS Fri Feb 14, 2003 14:34

If the Americans were to withold international law then such cost to our taxpayers would not be incurred . . .
If the Irish Authorities were to have any respect for their own people and dignity to enforce our own law the such cost would not be incurred . . .
The taxpayers money is now spent stopping the taxpayers themselves from doing what the taxcollecters should be demanding of their employees . . . by law.

by jm Fri Feb 14, 2003 15:41

i think you might mean "uphold", not "withhold".

by Gaillimhed Fri Feb 14, 2003 15:50

As far as i understand Aer Rianta recovers its costs not from the US state dept, USAF or US navy but from the Irish Government. Thats you and me buddy!

by MacAindreis - NAMELESS Fri Feb 14, 2003 17:34

. . . thanks for the correction (minor error!!!)

by Bernadette Mary Fri Feb 14, 2003 23:42

I never voted for my taxes to be diverted into paying to protect an airport in my country to be used by foreigners, to wage on other foreigners. Why should Irish taxpayers have to foot the bill, to protect a foreign military presence using our airports. Why can't the americans buy this airport off us, protect it themselves and stop being such cheapstake miserly sponging freeloaders.