Sinn Fein expresses 'deep disappointment' at Supreme Court judgement that will 'encourage racism'

by Cathal B Sat Jan 25, 2003 01:03 cb at hotmail dot com

If your born in a stable, doesn’t make you a horse !!!
These Children are not Irish, we have crazy Nationality laws that no other country operates. Another crappy result of that fucking Storment agreement sell out

by jedi of the big constitutional horde iosaf. Fri Jan 24, 2003 14:55

Two international treaties, the U.N. Protocol to Prevent Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children and the Protocol Against the Smuggling of Migrants reaffirm that "migration itself is not a crime, and that migrants may be victims in need of protection'.

by jedi of the horde. Fri Jan 24, 2003 13:25

Its Family Law and provisions have always been in a word ·crap·
Where does one start?
historical? economical? emotional?
Mary Magdalene homes? illegal Adoption procedures?
The Mother and Child Act? Social Welfare provisions? Inequality? Pressure groups that forbade information on abortion yet fought provision for childcare? Pressure groups that fought contraception and forced women to wait at Connoly Station for condoms from Belfast yet happily sat with paedophiles?
So Ireland cryptofascist and racist shall expel the parents of her children? Ireland shall find comfort and security in this near-ethnic purism?
Ireland observes NATO.
Rumania accepts the inivitation to join.
Central Europe accepts the invitation to join the EU.
How long will they wait for the parents to get their right to return?
Oh no. That´s too dificult for them to think about.
Ireland is a constitutional failure.
When it loses its Neutrality it has lost the last rag of decency it ever had.

4 -doctoral theses of the european Horde.
countless children of Ireland.

by Confused Gringo Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:17

According to someone on the radio this morning, a child still has the right to be with its parents but the parents do not have the inalienable right to stay in the country based on the right of the child to its parents. Is this correct?
If it is agreed that a child has the right to be with its parents (locus parentii or something) and it can be safely assumed that the country this applies to is Ireland ('cause we wouldn't be saying that a child has the right to be with its parents in Siberia) then I don't understand how they could remove the parents from the child to deport them (presuming they can't forcibly deport a legal Irish citizen - the child).
Anyone got this figured out?

by Eoin O'M Thu Jan 23, 2003 17:45

Is this Government mad? Non-EU nationals do not get the right to live with their kids. So instead of a policy we now get a minister with discretion to judge each case on its 'merits', ah yes, discretion: the refuge of the bewildered.

Call the Minister's Office NOW and let him know that this is abhorrent:
01 6028202
[email protected]

by Killian Thu Jan 23, 2003 17:23

Horrendous ruling. I have a feeling that this will prove to be the first of a series of efforts to roll back legal and constitutional advances in the state.

The next being the removal of equality discrimination cases out of the hands of the equality authority investiagtion office to the district courts.

Lets hope that in a few years time that we don't fondly recall the days when Ireland was liberal!

by zz Thu Jan 23, 2003 17:12

good for SF saying this loudly.

this is xenophobia at it's worst - affecting children.

by MG Thu Jan 23, 2003 16:43

Eoin,

It only applies to non-EU nationals. Hitler would be proud.

by Eoin O'M Thu Jan 23, 2003 16:28

Does this then mean that German people with Irish born kids will also be deported? If the Minister needs me, I have a few people I know who need deportation, they annoy me, take them away!

by Ray Thu Jan 23, 2003 16:23

Disgracefully, but not surprisingly, the Independent is reporting this is 'State has right to deport pregnant asylum seekers'. No mention of asylum seekers with Irish children, some of whom must be of school-going age by now. Just the usual implication that asylum seekers arrive here heavily pregnant in order to 'take advantage of us'.