CYM condemnsTorture of twelve young socialists in the Ukraine!

by iosaf jedi on many threads. Fri Jan 17, 2003 18:50

you were not alive.
you were not there.

we are in 2003.
most of the people you meet are imperialist exploiters.
if you have a TV you are too.
if you have a car you are too.
if you have a mortgage you are too.
if you pay your rent to a state you are too.
if you used your education to get a job above the average you are too.
if you drink coffee you are too.
if you smoke cigarettes you are too.

The Ukraine has very serious problems.
No-one is talking about Kronstadt there.
No-one is engaging political debate there to feel better about themselves.

Most people here in Ireland this website know shit about the Ukraine.
or Kronstadt
or the Soviet Union.
or Marx
or Engels.
you know shite.
you may occasionally hang out in a hired room with someone who does know about Marx, Engels, the Soviet Union.
But I bet you they know shite about Chernobly.
They wón´´t be able to tell you what happened to the Soviet nuclear arsenal.
They won´t be able to tell you the price of bread in the Ukraine.

So.

if you want to get "involved"
cool.
We don´t give a shite if you are Red, Green, Nationalist, Pacifist, Anarchist.
we just need people learing about their future.

There will never be another October Revolution.
No more Lenin.
No more Trotsky.
they are dead.
No more Krondstad.
No more of any of them.
books are great.
but life is better.

by I hate the CPI, stalinist stooges Fri Jan 17, 2003 17:43

What about the thousends of workers and activists that your crowd sent to the gulags for wanting genuine workers democracy you stalinist bastards.

by Derek Thu Jan 16, 2003 21:17

I would certainly support protests calling for the release of the young people mentioned in the post. They are not responsible for the crimes of Joe Stalin. Btw Harry, see you on saturday and of course KRONSTADT, us Bloshevik Leninists are right (left), you know it makes sense.

by iosaf - who arrived to late for Kronstadt. Thu Jan 16, 2003 20:41

is a potential candidate for EU membership.
Very big.
nasty history.
odd language, most speakers can be found through russian groups.
Suffered weird happenings in last year.
Pivotally extremely important in future EU relations.
sometimes called "the bread basket".
Check ukrainian news July5th 2002.
told you weird.
Recently many top level staff of ukranian aerospace died in accidental crash of aircraft in Iran.
Ukranians hug a lot.
spent a night being hugged by ukranians once.
really hugged.
squeezed.
i squeeked.
lots of nasty damage from chernobyl.
Five hours away by wind drift.
Admit it most of you know sweet didly eye squit about ukraine.

Well you should.

And it seems that Connoly Youth have just given us a reason to learn about that place.
good luck CPI!
if your sources need backup give me a mail.

by Hot Trot Thu Jan 16, 2003 19:02

We didnt kill half enough of you bastards at Kronstadt

by Harry Pollitt - Anarchist Federation Thu Jan 16, 2003 18:42

"hot trot" ? One word comes to mind: "Kronstadt"

by hot trot Thu Jan 16, 2003 18:05

2 words come to mind "Stalin" and "Gulag"

by Max Stirner Thu Jan 16, 2003 17:08

Now they know how dissidents felt in the USSR. I dont remember the CYM making any criticisms of the KGB back then.