Audio: Joe Higgins on Morning Ireland - Water Charges

by whoever Tue Jan 07, 2003 13:59

Not a socialist party supporter myself but it is always good to have audio links to any kind of reports. The more the merrier. You can upload them to the UK IMC and link them here, thats the easiest way of doing things.

by IMCer Tue Jan 07, 2003 14:11

Website updated = not news
My party leader's on the radio = not news
New website = news
I recorded an interview = news

by Anonymous Tue Jan 07, 2003 14:26

Maybe in an ideal world the news you get on this site would be totally original - with stories being written personally by contributors and interviews personally recorded etc. etc.

However, I do not believe that there are sufficient numbers of people/journalists who log onto this website to provide such information.

Therefore I do not see the problem with a posting like this one here, or copies of articles etc. that people have found elsewhere.

For me, indymedia is a "gathering ground" of information like this, and it provides a very good centrepoint to go to, to read about alternative information.

I have to say that if I was to write a piece I wonder how much it would actually be worth, as one's article goes down the newswire quite quickly and as such I imagine the amount of people that would actually read it would be limited.

What you could do is have a seperate reel for news this is as you ideally require, i.e. original news. This would make the incentive for me or anyone else to write an original article far more appealing.

Finally, what the guy in the above article could have done I suppose, was to sum up the radio interview that Joe Higgins did this morning.

by Daithi Tue Jan 07, 2003 15:21

The incentive for more writing is to keep the newswire clear of advertisements, trolling, crossposted copies etc.

The article above wasn't against editorial policy on its own - but were there to be a post once a week or more, for example, talking about what had been added to the SP website (or any site), a suggestion would be made to the writer to use a little discretion and moderation. The same goes with linking to "other media" - anyone can use Indymedia irrespective of their political views - so if someone came along and linked to every interview with or article about Ahern, that would be as valid as linking to JH's appearances - with the proviso that abusing the newswire (clogging up the pages with related articles) won't be allowed; a digest is the most appropriate in that case (i.e. here's a list of all the mainstream news articles on Iraq in the past week rather than ten different posts with one link each).

by iosaf Tue Jan 07, 2003 17:48 barcelona

the radio broadcast is availbale from RTE, I though it strange to see in the intray this morning as yesterday my local newspaper "La Vanguardia" ran an interview with Ricardo Petrella.
Ricardo Petrella is professor of globalisation at the university of Lovania and the author a pamphlet entitled
"The Water Manifesto".
It is Petrella´s analysis that Water will provoke more conflict in this forthcoming century than Oil, he cites figures of in excess of 1.4billion people without access to water.
Petrella says quite rightly that access to Water is a human right.
Now I agree with that, and I suppose so do all readers. So what do we do about it?

Well we ensure that water like well oxygenated air goes on being free.

It might seem to make sense to privatise water to some, more so in places like Ireland or North America, especially in the midwest where I remember last year a great debate began to rage, and rage on it does, over the aquafiers nearing depletion. When our farms and cities have no more water, what do shall we do?

The Capitalist model suggests privatised solutions or charges to reflect the "value" of water, so we see in most EU states water meters and water bills.

We see 1.4 billion people without H2O

is it beyond a cliché to remind all that CocaCola is cheaper than water in most african states?

If we are to develop human rights issues such as water and oxygen then we must approach these issues with a level moral attitude.
Water is free should be free everywhere all the time.

Now like Oxygen these issues will be difficult for the wide activist family over the next thirty years, I predict much difficult conflict between greens and reds over this.

We anarchists will go on "appropriating" H2O wherever possible.
and then we´ll give it away to our friends the poor.
:-)

by jedi iosaf adds the link. Tue Jan 07, 2003 17:53

morning ireland line up-7/1/03
5.McCreevy says water charges should be introduced
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Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party discusses the suggestion that water
charges should be introduced
28k - http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0107/morningireland/morningireland5a.ram
and that professor Petrella
is mentioned in an old article which ties in !!!
Palestine Isreal the Levant and Water UN issues.
don´t we love google(!)
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/425/op3.htm

by kev - sp Thu Jan 09, 2003 06:48

Ok, if this is a problem then i will stop doing it. But here's my two cent worth. I don't post articles saying "the sp site has been updated", this wasnt an advert for the site, i was posting an audio interview, i just threw in the news about the site update. i'm just trying to do my bit for indymedia in providing 'alternative news'. the person who made the comment about someone posting a link to every speech etc that Bertie Ahern makes, ok point taken, BUT i think that when Joe Higgins (for example) gets airtime, this should be considered 'alt news' because its news from an alternative viewpoint (anti-establishment). I think if you asked most users of this site if they are interested in something Joe has to say, the answer would be yeah. Anyway, what i usually do with these audio things is 'liberate' them from RTE (tape them) and put them up as mp3s, taking out all the other stuff that you have to download from the rte site (u can only d/l whole shows from rte) thus saving time for download. i know i cant afford (as in moneywise) to wait ages for a whole rte show to come down, and i'm sure others are in the same boat. the one i posted about the Saturday View debate, i linked to rte cos im not saving anyone any time by re-encoding it. Ok, if this is a serious problem, and not just bored people having a go, then i would appreciate an email from the editorial board to let me know. until then i'll continue posting what i feel merits it.

by Jenny Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:32

He puts a lot of time and effort into indy. You won't be getting any email fom an editorial board, the correct procedures for posting are on the site. If you choose to ignore them , then you are just exposing yourself as an arrogant Leninist who feels the procedures should only apply to "little people", not to the SP.

by kev - sp Thu Jan 09, 2003 15:54

"arrogant leninist"? em, ok dunno where you got that idea. when did i ever talk about "little people" not having the same rights? as for Daithi, i know he puts in time on the site, but then again this may not actually be Daithi - its happened before. Well, you try to be democratic about it and you get slagged off. In the words of Alan Partridge "why do I bother?" Ok so you don't want to hear Joe, well I could say the same about other audio links that have been posted, but thats my opinion, and i don't call for them to be removed. I know what the guidelines are, and I have not broken any (as far as I'm aware), which is why i asked if it is a real problem. i thought there was an editorial board, so whats wrong with asking for an email if this is indeed a real problem? any other voices out there?

by Durutti Column Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:31

If every Party which Saw Itself as being radical emulated you then we would have 5 times as much audios from SF, 6 times as much from thr Greens and even 21 times as much from Labour (radical is in the eye of the beholder).

Lets not forget, Finian McGrath, Seamus Healey & Tony Gregory. And why shouldn't the WSM, AF, ASF, SWP, ISN, SA, Fourthwrite, The Blanket etc etc inform us whenever their websites have been updated?

Wouldn't leave much room for anything else now would it?

by kev - sp Fri Jan 10, 2003 20:56 thekevolution at yahoo dot co dot uk joy division are a better band - oh! ur referring to the anarchist brigade

i for one would welcome more audio (or video) links from any of the above mentioned parties/groups. sure why not? just cos i'm not a member of them doesnt mean i'm not interested in what they have to say. sure don't i always get me copies of WS, Phoblacht and SW. you may as well take this argument further and say why have any news on this site, as most of it comes with its own slant.

certainly more audio/video links would make a nice change from "10 reasons to hate [insert this week's victim]" or "insane conspiracy theroies 'r us - bush is a lizard". as for me posting whenever the site is updated, this is simply untrue. the site is updated almost daily, i dont post every update, just when i have audio links that i think are of interest, ie [so far] WATER CHARGES, EUROPE & McCREEVY'S CUTS - or maybe you don't think these are important issues? is the fact that mccreevy is willing to reintroduce water charges, and joe's opposition to such a move not newsworthy? what about a sole voice arguing against the EU on national radio? or a 'debate' in the dail on the issue of the budget? (oh i forgot, anarchists* believe that the dail is irrelevant - cos no-one cares what goes on in there do they?)

(*i know probably the vast majority of anarchists do care about this, as i care what goes on in the UN etc)

and no doubt if i posted articles by the sp (or to be more precise, links to articles) i'd get the same crap about "if everyone posted articles by their party then the newswire would be full". seems to me that what certain elements on indymedia want is, actually i don't know what they want, just not to have sp and the swp on it. or perhaps your just bitter that the sp, sf & the swp get airtime? personally, i would never have know that the Shannon peacecamp heads are on the late late show tonite if it wasn't advertised here cos i try to avoid mr kenny whenever i can. if someone were to mp3ize that interview and post it here tomorrow for people who missed it, i would welcome this. but thats exactly what i do, so whats the difference?

any other voices out there?