Shannon Damage

by Irish American Tue Jan 07, 2003 19:59

the zmag.org piece is good - it does not avoid the truth and contains many valid points. I do not agree with all of it, but at least it isn't total nonsense.

by Irish Un-American Tue Jan 07, 2003 00:06

Dev was worse than you admit, much worse and yet he's still a bantam compared to the other people in that list. This isn't a stupid Irish vs. Yanks debate. This is a debate about whether or not to pursue a reckless, illegal and immoral assault. To jingoistically and arrogantly assume the title of "Irish American" as though you spoke for all Irish Americans or as though your opinion were somehow more valid because of that is idiotic. No one on this site is "Anti-American" or "Anti-Irish-American", we're anti-murder, anti-imperialist, anti-fascist. So, don't try and take false comfort in the delusion that you're seeing knee-jerk anti-Americanism. Many of my family are US citizens and none of them support your foolishness. Ditto for the tens of thousands that are out protesting this horror in your country. Now, pull you head out of your ass (as you Americans are so fond of saying), wipe the shit of propaganda from your eyes, make a list of "those things we hold dear" and see how many of them your country's leaders are violating.

by Irish American Sun Jan 05, 2003 21:44

. . . compared to Hitler or Osama bin Laden.

He just
(1) started the Irish Civil War,
(2) was responsible for the death of Michael Collins,
(3) retarded Irish social and economic development for 50 years,
(4) forever besmirched the honor of Ireland by remaining "neutral" in WWII.

by Irish Un-American - House Committee for Investigation of Un-Irish Americans Sat Jan 04, 2003 00:31

What do all these people have in common....?

How many innocent people were killed as a result of the political policies of each?

Of how many countries did each support the invasion?

Dev comes out looking pretty good compared to the rest of the scumbags in that list. Of course he was an authoritarian nationalist scumbag too, but still you've got to admit that compared to the monsters in that list he's pretty good.

by Irish American Fri Jan 03, 2003 22:36

be signing the condolence book at the Iraqi embassy when Saddam goes, the way Dev paid his respects for Hitler?

by Irish Un-American - House Committee for Investigation of un-Irish Americans Fri Jan 03, 2003 21:23

GreenPartyMike etc are probably deeply irritated at sharing a country with a bigot like yourself "Irish American". They are doing more to promote Democracy and Freedom than you, or any of the rest of the murderers that advocate continuing the illegal assault on Iraq. I like the way you use the old "if you don't like it leave it" line. Not much of an argument is it? Sort of like pulling your pants (green checkered of course) down in the middle of an argument and exposing your capacious bottom.

by Irish American Fri Jan 03, 2003 00:50

I've already posted at length on this subject:

http://indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=22825

but I'll put two cents worth in here.

First, when I pass through Shannon later this month on my way to visit my cousins, I'll give a big "high-five" and thank you to any US Forces I meet.

Second, to Mr. O'Connor (may I call you "Slacker?") and Green Mike: Too bad you're "afraid" of travelling and ashamed of your country. Maybe the solution is to get an Irish passport, renounce your US citizenship and live in that wonderful paradise (now ruled from Brussels), Ireland.

by Brian O'Connor Thu Jan 02, 2003 20:27 A24X7Slacker at aol dot com San Francisco

Hey M. Stauke,

Who pays for the death and destruction wrought upon the world by imperial US forces? Who compensates people like me, Irish-American males, who can no longer travel abroad for fear of being kidnapped or killed? All on account of warmongering @$$holes and complacent losers like yourself. Who pays for the side-effects of Agent Orange? And who pays for the side-efects of Depleted Uranium rounds fired in the Balkans?

Material items can be replaced while people cannot.

by CiaronO'Reilly - Dublin Catholic Worker Thu Jan 02, 2003 13:52

I was oneof the folks who on Dec 8 enhanced the recycled tail fin that passes as a monument/sculpture/whatever at the entrance to Shannon Airport. No way was it defaced or demaged it was enhanced with more information about the war crimes being facilitated at this place of civilian veneer.

This was not hit and split vandalism/defacement/damage...we addded photographs of Iraqi children, red dye in the surrounding pool and the statement "THE WAR STOPS HERE! PHIL BERRIGAN R.I.P". We then circled in prayer and song, in memory of Phil and in solidarity with the children of Iraq.

Many Garda had rushed to the scene and also a number of local fokls,some who waded out to join us. As we got out of the pool we explained to the Garda the creative dimension of the pool and tail fin transformation. We were not arrested or charged with any of the offences the original writer mentions. No-one who has been arrested has been charged with any offence at Shannon in relation to civil disobedience since the arrest and charging of US Hercules spraypainter Eoin Dubsky (the man they are now having a lot of trouble convicting of anything!)

12 years ago I was part of a plowshares community
that disarmed a fully loaded B52 Bomber at Griffiss Air Force Base in upstate New York, (it didn't get to fly and bomb in the war) we marked the Bomber and the runway with blood spraypainting "NO MORE BOMBING OF CHILDREN - HIROSHIMA-VIETNAM-MIDDLE EAST OR ANYWHERE ELSE!" and began to take up the runway with our sledges.

Today Griffis Air Force Base is no more...they even had Woodstock'99 on the vacant land....our only crime (this time and that) was that we were a head of our time!

Solidarity with all those in U.S.prisons, resisting and preparingtononviolently reist this war.

by Phuq Hedd Tue Dec 31, 2002 22:06

Well, the Original Poster is probably a troll trying to stir up trouble. S/he is unlikely to receive an insult-free response when ending a message with "You guys suck" which, as an insult, is an invitation to retaliate in kind. So, perhaps Mr.Finnerty could direct his condemnation to the original poster who has not posted a news story, but instead has asked a question in a rude manner. IMC editors should remove the original comment because it provides no new information and should be just a comment below one of the stories on the newswire. Thanks.

by MG Tue Dec 31, 2002 16:45

Do you realise that the Irish taxpayer pays millions each year so terrorist US planes can fly over our airspace. Air traffic control sent bills to all countries who sought and were granted overflight permission. They all - including good ol' terrorist US of A - refused to pay.

The people at Shannon should have left the memorial to dead Iraqi babies as it was created by the Catholic Worker. It might remind idiots like you that Irish taxpayers' money (that's my money and your money) is being used to kill children (a hell of lot more children than the bogeymen in the IRA ever killed)...

by William A Finnerty Tue Dec 31, 2002 15:41

Can anybody post an intelligent comment on this site without being abused? The Yank has a point. So do you folks, but there is no need to jump straight down somebodys throat because they differ from you. I can imagine what your views are on the non-nationals just because they are different.

Try and debate these matters in a mature fashion. I also believe that it was wrong to deface the monument at Shannon, regardless of the cause. I dont see too many of your crowd defacing the Sinn Fein offices all around the country despite that organisations record of murder, extortion and violence, right here in our own country. The provos are great men at killing nuns, babies and shooting Policemen in the back, amongst other things. Yet that doesn't seem to arouse much interest in you. Thousands took part in the anti-terrorist marches in ireland in the aftermath of the Omagh bomb. What ever happened to that passion?

I dont agree with bombing Iraq at the moment, but I am certainly not goint to deface monuments. That achieves nothing. never did.

And Finally, the cost of cleaning same was probably in the region of 200Euro to 400Euro. Footed by the Irish taxpayer of course. That money could feed a family in Iraq for about two months.

by corkboy Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:23

I'd say it would cost about €4:58 to clean the "damage" off the monument. Will Iraq be as easy to fix?

by GreenPartyMike - Green Party USA Tue Dec 31, 2002 07:57

Good job on posting from that Boston eegit. fact is many Americans of Irish decent have forgotten where they come from. Mind you not all the Irish Americans are this way. John Sweeney of AFL-CIO comes to mind.
Just started a book on the St Patrick's Brigade that fought on the side of the Mexican Army during the Mexican/American War in the mid 1800's. Very intersting reading, God bless them, very, very brave and principled men. Viva Los Brigades De San Patricio. So to our Bostonian friend, try studying what "our ancestor's" were doing and to all you in Ireland, keep it up and again to Eoin, Dia Duith Mo chara, Slan Go Foil.

by Phuq Hedd Mon Dec 30, 2002 22:25

Over 1000 USAF aircraft have violated Irish neutrality in defiance of our constitution. Apart from the pollution caused by this the embroiling of our government in a breach of the constitution causes a severe problem for our sovereign nation.

There is no doubt that Irish politicians complicit in this illegal act will pay.

Meanwhile we, the Irish people, are expected to shell out our taxes to support YOUR illegal and immoral war. We are not a military nation and have no desire to be one. We cannot support or accept military bases with their attendant cost, culture of secrecy and authoritarianism and environmental destruction.

There is no doubt that we will pay spiritually, morally, physically and financially if we do not eject you from our nation.

The US people are paying and will pay both in taxes, in conscience and in lives for your assaults on other countries and your support of dictators, torturers and mass-murderers. The US's relentless assault on Democracy and Freedom across the world costs money and lives to all.