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category national | miscellaneous | news report author Monday December 23, 2002 16:50author by iosaf = o as ifauthor email ipsiphi23 at email dot comauthor address barcelona Report this post to the editors

charity and traditional values alms and homes.

Some short while ago young people spent a night sleeping rough to raise money in Limerick for homeless people. They did so under a political banner, and received a lot of criticism for the policies of that banner afterwards in this forum. Today is published by POLITEIA an English thinktank the thoughts of one John Bird.

John Bird is founder of the Big Issue magazine.
The Big Issue is 10 years old, during which times it has grown, shrunk, changed content, editorship, policy, price and paper, and organisation several times.
The sellers have always been "the homeless".
But not "the homeless" as though of by many. Most sellers of the issue have not been rough sleepers. And this is central to understanding homelessness.


http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=364011
23 December 2002
The founder of The Big Issue, the magazine for the homeless, has criticised handouts to beggars and said those sleeping rough should be removed from the streets.

John Bird, a beggar for 20 years before starting the magazine in 1991, said that giving money to beggars was "murdering" any chance that they had of getting off the streets because they were not forced to seek any alternative life. "Begging is bad for both the giver and the receiver," he said


Now in the debate which ensued after members of Young Fine Gael much was said that indicated attitudes to the homeless and the problems that exist in tandem with homelessness. YFG incidently have also had occasion to access to the work of Mr Bird´s current thinktank POLITEIA
http://www.politeia.co.uk

The YFG articles are at.
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=21561
and after a YFG writer published a comment called APOLOGY wherein they said they would never again do such charity work.
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=21662

The comments as always make the sour dish.

Charity.
For many this is the time of charity.
Tax deductable donations are best made in the seasonal christmas period.
Islam obliges all believers to give a percentage of income to the poor.
Judaism likewise obliges care for the infirm.
Materialist dialectic based movements equally have always supported social services.

Most who sell Big Issue are not rough sleepers they are squatters.
I have written of my Big Issue pitch on High Holborn, where in short bursts of six days we would go sell the issue. But always in reaction to short notice eviciton of a squat. To cover the moving costs encurred, hiring a van, changing locks, finding somewhere new, replacing broken toilets in the new disused house [generally broken by council workers to discourage squatters]
needs money. So "organised squatters" regularly sell the issue as houses for a few days.
help the homeless.
thank you very much.
Now one of those occasions for my community which regular readers will remember was half italian half french was winter of 98/99. Thus I can remember carrying a hosuehold of 5th internationalists big issues from the offices on Pentonville Rd to the Lawyers Temple Inns of Holborn where we´d sell them, and pondering John Bird´s xmas message. Coz it is an xmas message. Every year, Mr Bird rattles some chains for the chattering classes about giving to beggars.
Beggars like buggers can not be choosers.
The homelessness Czar of H:M: Eliz 2 of the UK,s prime minster (tony blair) estimated that there were 300,000 squatters that winter on the seasonal chattering classes TV debate.
Oh yes the joys of the London Assembly.

It is my pleasure to inform the readers that there are still 300,000 squatters in London.
And it is my pleasure to inform the readers that there is still the same level of crises management, interpersonal skills, adaptability, cohesion, directness of purpose, and organisation amongst those squatters.

Charity should mean something.
read the articles above.
In the next few days the Kings, the crowns of Europe will broadcast their christmas messages.
Many have had most terrible years they will say, and they´ll all nod at the latin and tradition of the proving who occupied land and home first, whose castle is Castlemines?

so as always the Sallust quote:
non exercitus neque thesauri praesidia regni sunt verum amici.
not by army but by friendships is the safety of a kingdom best secured. I wrote that to the editor of the Irish Times last year, and I wrote it to Jonh Bird in New Year of 1999, and I´ve written it to all of you, it´s a cool quote from a man who saw the Roman Republic ended by a coup.

author by Alex - Young Fine Gaelpublication date Wed Jan 08, 2003 17:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thanks for 'putting us RIGHT!' To be honest, from the reaction recieved on the street (and comments from people who are homeless & squatters - I know what you mean) I am happy with the approach taken by my colleagues in Limerick. People were hugly supportive, and want to see us do more of that type of work.

I don't care what you think!

A

author by iosaf - reclaim the streets!publication date Wed Jan 08, 2003 22:36author address barcelona.author phone Report this post to the editors

now last year I called you petulant little ógras.

that was crafted to get up your nose.

i thought you wouldn´t like that-

and you know i was right.
i also you will remember welcomed your positive work and contribution to the forum, i just questioned the politicisation of that deed.

only natural Alex, I am an anti-globalist activist and anarchist of over twelve years standing.
I am you might think your traditional opponent.

I also suggested you debate housing and add uit to your website, as for not caring what I think, well I wonder....
:-)

author by iosafpublication date Wed Jan 08, 2003 22:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

as its young scientist season I thought I´d play the nodal IT game.
just for the young fine gael crowd.
---------------my entry is on the permenant record---------back in 1982 or was it ´83?
comodore computer stuff.
oh yes. machine code and the like.
Alex reads everything no this website as if it were meant to attack him and his friends has anyone noticed that?
if you go to the link, you will jump to 2003 january where the young Alex has just played a CIRA card in an attempt to stop the Shannon Peace camp a few weeks before the overt declaration of war against Iraq, the covert stuff has been done, and fine quality investigative journalists are already being directed to destroying political careers in both Washington and London as of two real time days, but young Alex knows nothing about this, because his life is outside the realm of real power or influence.

oh dear the CIRA card? I hear international acitivists groan, oooops Alex, there are some cards best left unplayed at such an early stage in your political career eh¿?¿?

isn´t it odd serious activists and organisers of campaigns and protest on transnational basis can eat people like Fine Gael for breakfast, and we do, but that´s the work of the shadowey and sinister cabal of interests.

they claim to be fighting to stay in the forum!
isn´t it odd how their little pals young FF haven´t named themselves yet?

oh dear.
great thing about being discredited (druggy squatty bla bla) is that one´s true credentials shine.

on the nodal square Alex.
i shall enjoy breaking your career if you try and have one.

Related Link: http://www.ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=23232
author by ipsiphi23 jedipublication date Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

yes 23 23 2
spooky! call in Ray the materialist debunker.
maybe the illuminati are helping me fight ógra fine gael.
(anyone notice Mr Sharon´s logo for the elecion campaign?-
an eye in the centre of star of david.
ooer.
and the slogan?
ooer.
Israel = birthright.
now that´s dodgy don´t you think.
I´ll raise that at our next assembly meeting, I think we´re sharing the bar with the bildebergers next time (running short of funds).
-and the idae of setting up an
ógra illuminati has been suggested Alex, but i don´t think you´ll be getting an invite just yet, but hang on in there, because you never know, Dr. Fitzgerald was very surprised when he got his invite.

author by Alex - YFGpublication date Thu Jan 09, 2003 12:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Suprised when he got his invite to bildeberger is it!!

author by friendly jedi.publication date Thu Jan 09, 2003 14:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

out of interest why are YFG opposing bin charges?
-I´m pretty poorly informed about the bin charge thing seems to be a really hot issue for the last year. Naturally though I wouldn´t pay my bin charges. I keep it all in my bedroom in black plastic sacks along with excretea and urine and nail clippings.
wouldn´t that be a "solution", Alex?

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