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Neutrality? Ah, shure you an yer oul neutrality!

category national | miscellaneous | news report author Monday December 16, 2002 05:01author by Phuq Hedd Report this post to the editors

Interesting new moves by Convention on Future of Europe Defence Group

Proposals are afoot to remove the veto power of EU members and replace consensus with simple majority voting. Proposed mutual-defence obligations also leave Ireland's "neutrality" in an interesting position.

Compare this pre-Nice Treaty article
http://www.europa-web.de/europa/03euinf/10counc/irelneut.htm
With this post-Nice Treaty article
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=889836&issue_id=8502

author by proppublication date Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

''This section now requires registration.''

please post the whole article

because:

a) to read the article requires registration

b) it will annoy ray

c) especially b)

author by MGpublication date Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Unless Europe finds the solidarity, intelligence, courage and will to challenge and resist American power, Europe itself will deserve Alexander Herzen's declaration--"We are not the doctors. We are the disease".

http://www.counterpunch.org/pinter1213.html

author by Phuq Heddpublication date Mon Dec 16, 2002 20:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The far-reaching report calls for the end of veto rights to block military operations and the creation of new mutual defence and "solidarity" clauses.

In a long, detailed series of recommendations, it also demands the creation of a new EU armaments agency and for military research to be funded by the Union.

The final paper, which has been seen by the Irish Independent, was not agreed by the full committee, with the Green TD, John Gormley and representatives from Finland and Sweden - both neutral states - distancing themselves from the conclusions.
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I don't know how accurate Sweeney's report is. Do you have other sources that provide a different interpretation?

author by MGpublication date Tue Dec 17, 2002 09:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sorry Ms Hedd,

I meant the counterpunch article has nothing to do with common defence. (I just thought it was interesting, but didn't want to post it as a copied-and-pasted "new" article). The Europe Convention proposals are obviously the materialisation of all the fears that anti-Nice campaigners expressed about neutrality over the past two years.

The media - including Conor Sweeney - are now crying foul about the EU messing with Ireland's neutrality. This is the same media which hoodwinked the Irish people into believing that Europe is not a threat to Irish neutrality.

Under the Convention proposals, as I interpret them, an attack on one EU state would represent an attack on the EU and all member states would be required to assist in the defence of the country that was attacked. This would not necessarily mean military defence, but all states would be required to provide political "solidarity" and to make all EU institutions available for the defence of the attacked country.

Aside from the fact that this would destroy any pretence of neutrality and sovereignty in Ireland, I also wonder how it would apply if, for instance, Spain and Morocco had a row over the islands and colonies that Spain is refusing to return to Morocco. Personally, I consider these territories to be colonial outposts that rightly belong to Morocco, not Spain. However, should the two sides engage militarily, would all other EU countries be obliged to support Spain?

author by Phuq Heddpublication date Tue Dec 17, 2002 21:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Counterpunch has carried a few interesting pieces on the Nice referendum. It'll be interesting to see if any of the journos that were so busy avoiding or dismissing the neutrality issue will now admit that they lobbied for a dilution of democracy.

 
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