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ISRAELI Offensive -PROTEST TONIGHT AND TOMORROW
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Monday April 15, 2002 16:41 by Tim Hourigan - Gluaiseacht, Green Party, Limerick 4 Change Limerick City, Ireland
Forget the 'Sharon v Arafat' propganda. Real people are dying. I can't access my e-mail here, so I can't show you the e-mail (yet) I sent to Sharon's office. I can't believe the amount of people trying to spin only one side or reduce everything to harping back to the holocaust or else Arafat and Sharon while on the streets people are dying. Come protest at the Israeli embassy in Dublin 122 Pembroke Road. 8:30 this evening. And tomorrow at the Westin hotel college Green 6pm. Demand that Ireland takes a stand against the carnage. I have been in very recent contact with Mary Kelly who is still in Nablus under difficult circumstances. People have tried to condemn her for supporting Arafat by her actions. I'm reposting this piece which I sent as a comment on a very biased piece of propoganda. ------------------------------------------------- It has taken up a lot of people's time in replying to correct this view. What people are really protesting about is the loss of life, not personal support of Arafat or Sharon. Most people view with disgust the deaths of innocent Israelis in these suicide attacks. It's terrible that people were killed in the latest bus bomb in Israel. And it's right that the TV should report it. But the lives of Palestinians are worth just as much, and if they are massacred in Jenin, the world, and the Israeli public in particular have a right to see what is done in their name. Sounding a little harsh and cold, look at the tactics used and how they come about.
When an Israeli family loses a member they have a trained army to respond. An army that is supposed to be able to tell the difference between a 'legitimate target' and a random innocent Palestinian. If the army simply wastes a whole block of Jenin or Ramallah, they do a disservice to their own people too. And they also fuel the cycle of hate that generates even more suicide bombers. When some of the people inside the Palestinian house survive, it is no surprise that they become hateful of the Israeli state. How could Arafat convince someone like that not to become a suicide bomber when he can't promise that another Israeli tank won't kill more of the bombers family tomorrow? In the sick twisted logic of bloodletting would this be considered a more 'legitimate war' if the Palestinians had an airforce and tank divisions to fight back with? Israel should stop its offensive against the Palestinians immediately. Israel should allow the media to report on what is really going on so everyone can see that there is no righteous victor in this conflict and that there is no justice in any of the attacks. Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon have failed the people of the middle east.
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Jump To Comment: 4 3 2 1I am worried that if you merely call for "peace" and "stop the killing now" while stating that "all sides are guilty" then you run the risk of mis-stating the situation because the blame is NOT equally cast upon Palestinians and Israelis.
The Palestinians have a clearly mandated right to the pre-1967 territories. At present they are defending themselves from an armed invasion.
Israel's statement that they, the Israelis, are defending themselves is as though Britain had decided to bomb Ireland because of IRA/INLA activity in Britain.
It is the use of indiscriminate force by the State.
I know you know this. I know that you're saying "Yes, but....!", however the problem is that your "the blame rests upon all, stop the murder now" stance is WRONG. The blame does not lie equally with the Palestinian people and they have less opportunity to fix it than does Israel.
You hope that the Israelis and Palestinians will work it out between them: that seems highly unlikely. Would it not be better to be organizing in support of a UN-intervention rather than just shouting "Stop! Stop the madness"?
The most likely scenario is that a NATO force will be sent in. The EU is too weak militarily to intervene in this situation. The UN will take too long and won't have US backing because it would undermine their "world cop"/"mafia boss" credibility.
I should add that I was not happy with the situation prior to the intifadah either.
Nor would I be happy to see permanent checkpoints in Israel, but I think they might be necessary for some time yet. After a peaceful solution is worked out, there is still time needed for the populations to mature and reflect.
I may have overstated Marc Sofer's views in my last comment.
He said he would be happy with a Palestinian state and acknowledged that there was no military solution. He also said he knows it would be very tough for the Israeli govt to get some of the settlers to move.
He's a diplomat of course, but he seems reasonable, unlike his boss.
But I think when the bombing and shooting stops, they will have to come back to the inevitable.
The Palestinians will not disappear, neither will the Israelis so they have to live side by side as good neighbours and that means a just arrangement has to be implemented including self determination, fairer sharing of the land, proper access to water and travel, and many other things which they know better than I do.
I can comment very certainly on the concrete proposal that the violence should end immediately.
One does not need to be an expert on the conflict to know the deaths of innocents is unacceptable.
As for the solution, I have thought about the points you put forward many times, and they are well know to many people so omitted them.
The Israeli Ambassador Marc Sofer even said in Limerick that he's in favour of most of theose points (if not all).
There's tonnes of stuff I could suggest, but I'd be bedevilled in detail, and I am no expert on the middle east.
I think something like you listed is what will eventually happen anyway, but I prefer to let the Palestinians and Israelis work out how they will live together. I'll just stick to calling for an end to the immediate carnage.
Tim.
We all agree that the killing should stop. Ask any Israeli or Palestinian and they'll say that killing should cease now. The problem is HOW.
Your post contains ONE concrete proposal:
that Israel should withdraw and setup checkpoints.
While I agree that Israel should withdraw I don't believe that allowing them to setup checkpoints is going to help the situation. It puts the situation right back to where it was: a situation in which Palestinians are having their homes stolen, their relatives denied access to hospitals, their political leaders assassinated by Israel.
Your suggestion implies that you are happy with "things the way they were before". Perhaps I'm misreading you and you haven't put down the more concrete parts of your proposal. If so I apologize.
In the meantime here are some of what I consider to be more realistic proposals for achieving peace:
1. A UN force must occupy the pre-1967 area to protect the Palestinians from Israeli aggression.
2. Israeli settlers must withdraw to the pre-1967 borders.
3. Israel must pay reparations to the Palestinian people.
4. Palestinians must be allowed the right of return.
5. Palestinian political organizations must concede that their armed campaigns must stop if these conditions are met.