pax americana

by Abraham Abulafia Sun Nov 24, 2002 17:22

Well argued.

I felt you illustrated your point cohesively. Got me stumped with that one. And doubtless you have the Americans on the run all over Asia, Africa, and the middle East.

Definitely not a waste of my time. And it fits squarely under the banner of journalism too. News as well. Great. Super. I look forward greatly to your next one not-quite-a-sentence disquisition.

by $=€ Sun Nov 24, 2002 20:18

from PAX BRITANICA.
= levy / tax / militia
legal basis American Constitutional law
for 14 suits against Bush administration.
next comment,
PAX AMERICANA = IMPERIUM AMERICANA?
this line is the legal kernal which closed the sun upon George´s empire.
learn how to read your news.

Oil tanker on fire off coast of Hong Kong.
PAX XINO.
= freedom to raise levy / militia / tax
outside of contracted relations with
US and British Crown
relating to lease of Kowloon and New Territories.
c/f Chinese People´s Republic Communist Party XVI congress, resolution relating to the status of Tibet and Taiwan and foreign imposed levy/militia restrictions until 2006.

I shall keep you waiting for the next addition.
the salvage company which dealt with the Kursk, flgship of Baltic Fleet, previously stationed at Kallingrad see article 23 of Germano-Russian pact 1938, PAX RUSO-TEUTONICA.
is currently engaged in Atlantic with "Prestige".
Hong Kong oil loss, estimated at 70,000 tonnes of viscous fuel.
PAX JAPONESE
article 14-49 of the treaty of surrender 1945.

your next comment please?

by Abraham Abulafia Sun Nov 24, 2002 21:21

is that a hideously bungled quote, cobbled together in a headline which does not make grammatical sense, grounded in an amphetamine scale paranoia, is news?

I know very well how to read my news, you cancerous and incomprehensible carbuncle on the consciousness of current affairs. And what you wrote was babbling gibberish. Gibberish man.

And that was damn well not news. Christ, tabloid headlines have greater editorial rigour than the utter meaninglessness you foisted upon this site in the name of jornalism. Mother of babbling god man. You're an imbecile.

Below is the dictionary definition of news, you paranoid and addled little freak.

Pronunciation: 'nüz, 'nyüz
Function: noun plural but singular in construction
Usage: often attributive
Date: 15th century
1 a : a report of recent events b : previously unknown information
2 a : material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast b : matter that is newsworthy

by iosaf Sun Nov 24, 2002 22:59

hmm.
€=$
on a Sunday when I´m usually a bit peaky odd off with the elves considering mushrooms and stuff.
really this clever impersonation stuff.

i like the PAX americana bit though.
hmmm and the nod to the declaration of independence, must be one of the poets.

hmmm.
china and paranoia?
Please see the following:

February 2, 2001
Chinese officials shut down 127 illegal Internet cafes
http://www.dfn.org/news/news000131.htm#chinanet

April 11, 2001
A Chinese Call to Hack U.S.
http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,42982,00.html

April 27, 2001
FBI Warns of Chinese Hack Threat
http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,43417,00.html

April 30, 2001
It's (Cyber) War: China vs. U.S.
http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,43437,00.html

JUNE 25, 2001
What Is Bill Gates Planning for China?
Now that AOL has partnered with Legend, how will Microsoft respond?
It isn't saying, which may mean a surprise is in store
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2001/nf20010625_598.htm

JULY 9, 2001
AOL and China: Out One Door, In Another?
As it makes a strategic withdrawal from Hong Kong, the Web giant may
have plans to return with the help of Legend, its new mainland
partner
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jul2001/nf2001079_790.htm

Chinese computer giant Legend Holdings, AOL, and Microsoft – some
bitter rivalry
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&q=Microsoft%2CChina%2CAOL%2C2001%2CLegend

August 1, 2001
China Tightens Internet Controls
http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/08/china-0801.htm

August 8, 2001
Computer infection troubles China
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/08/08/china.code.red/?related

August 14, 2001
Anti-virus groups say the Leaves worm arrived as an e-mail that
appeared to come from Microsoft as a security bulletin. It was
discovered July 9.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/08/14/hacking.arrest/

August 30, 2001
US May Help Chinese Evade Net Censorship
http://www.techtv.com/news/internet/story/0,24195,3345146,00.html

August 30, 2001
AOL sued by Muslims over chat room harassment
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&q=%22AOL+sued+by+Muslims+over+chat+room+harassment%22

August 30, 2001
Pentagon gives go-ahead to Grid
http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2001/0827/web-dod-08-30-01.asp

August 31, 2001
Code Red virus traced to China
http://www.guardian.co.uk/internetnews/story/0,7369,545072,00.html

August 31, 2001
Customs halts export to China, charges 2
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02453.html

September 4, 2001
Bush Reverts to Satellites for China
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/3/210022.shtml

September 5, 2001
Pentagon to Develop Anthrax
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/4/171823.shtml

September 6, 2001
Feds Stop Seeking Microsoft Breakup
http://speakout.com/activism/apstories/10102-1.html

September 6, 2001
China Said Planning Military Buildup
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&q=%22China+Said+Planning+Military+Buildup%22

September 7, 2001
China ready to deploy its first mobile ICBMs
http://taiwansecurity.org/News/2001/WT-090601.htm

September 7, 2001
'Code Blue' Worm Strikes in China, May Migrate
http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/13405.html

~~~~~

Other pertinent links - AFTER September 11

Sep. 21, 2001
The change grants China's Web-using public access to the previously
unviewable sites of The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, San
Francisco Chronicle and Boston Globe, which were blocked as recently
as Sunday. It was unclear exactly what day the unblocking occurred.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,47017,00.html

October 7, 2001
Chinese troops pour into Afghanistan
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22chinese+troops+pour+into+afghanistan%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8

November 21, 2001
China closes 17,000 Internet cafes
http://www.dfn.org/focus/china/internetcafes-closed.htm

December 27, 2001
China Moves Troops to Diffuse Indian War Threat
http://www.paknews.com/flash.php?id=1&date1=2001-12-28

With a total media blackout of the actual fighting in Afghanistan,
how are we to know if this report has any merit? It DOES fit a
pattern.

January 2002
China announces new Net regulations
http://www.dfn.org/focus/china/shutdown.htm#jan2002

January 11, 2002
Pakistan gets first batch of Chinese fighter aircraft
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/3018

February 28, 2002
AMERICA'S WAR ON TERRORISM AND CHINESE STRATEGY
http://china.jamestown.org/pubs/view/cwe_002_005_004.htm

May 17, 2002
A news agency that just "picked up" Alexander Haig as a
board member AFTER September 11 ceases to be critical of the Bush
administration and totes the CFR party line on China.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/17/25858.shtml

May 17, 2002
Chinese leaders seek allies against US encirclement
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/chin-m17.shtml

Much more at
http://www.google.com/search?q=China,August,2001,U.S.,computer&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&start=100&sa=N

Want to know why Bill Cooper was REALLY killed? Judging by the
following link, he knew China was behind September 11. Entries from
September 8th, 9th, and 10th are missing from his newswire.
http://www.williamcooper.com/vnsnewsarchives901a.html

CYBER ATTACKS AND SEPT 11TH 2001
http://community-2.webtv.net/OOOHyaaa/CYBERATTACKS/

U.S. High Tech Trade with China and Hong Kong 1990-2000
http://www.tiaonline.org/marketdev/public_files/USITO_IT_Report_-_US-China_HT_Trade_Analysis.pdf

Re: U.S. High Tech Trade with China and Hong Kong 1990-2000
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/10122

~~~~~

Was the world trade center attacked with living hijackers or by
remote control?

..or both?
http://rockymountain.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2999&group=webcast

ALSO,...

important snips from
http://rockymountain.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2998&group=webcast

just for starters.

then go back to july 6th ireland.indymedia.org
article on Ukraine.
hmmm.
then go back last week joint statement by Ukraine and China.
then go back last week joint statement by Russia and USA.

hmm.
PAX AMERICANA= PAX BRITANICA = PAX XINO = PAX RUSSO
lies= rabies= fourth tanker down this year (1=alQAEDA) (2=BAD WEATHER) (3= BAD CHINESE SEAS)

AND GAS.
its quite understandable that some may be paranoid.
but remember this is a newswire!
even on Sundays.
for passionate telling of the truth.

by omar hassem Sun Nov 24, 2002 23:06

the top ten list of world flash points as held by international studies institutes such as the Stockholm institute of strategic research or
the School of Oriental and African Studies
University of London.

in no particular order. (it´s sunday)
1. China seas
2. Gibraltar
3. HongKong / Kowloon
4. South Japanese islands / Korea
5. Ukraine
6. Israel
7. Cuba
8. Levant Iraq/Iran
9. Australasia /Malay
10. ?

read last weeks Chinanews.com , shanghai star.
for interesting assesment of Ukraine sale of radar equipement in the Levant.

read last weeks FBI statement on suspected Ukranian sale of plutonium to Al Qaeda / Hussein.

read a book called 1984.
read another called Brave New World
get a double doctorate in linguistics
and international relations.
become one of the 0.2% of the global population qualified to assess your "NEWS".

quite right.

by omar hassam Sun Nov 24, 2002 23:11

we ARE going to talk about CHINA.

and we´ve been very distracted from such for over four weeks.
August 9, 2001
Government will promote IT in Azad Jammu and Kashmir
http://www.most.gov.pk/frames/press_releases/aug9.htm

September 12, 2001
China Will Help Pakistan In Setting Up of Technology Incubators
http://www.most.gov.pk/frames/press_releases/sept12_2.htm

October 3, 2001
Atta Holds Meeting With Microsoft
http://www.most.gov.pk/frames/press_releases/oct23.htm

Islamabad the October 23, 2001
Federal Minister for Science & Technology Prof. Atta-ur-Rahman who is
visiting Paris held a meeting today with Mr. Jawwad Rahman, Regional
Head of Microsoft.
http://www.most.gov.pk/frames/press_releases/oct23.htm

January 14, 2002
Pak-China Fund to be utilized for joint research
http://www.most.gov.pk/frames/press_releases/PressReleases/Pak-China%20Fund%20to%20be%20utilized%20for%20joint%20research%20-%2014-01-2002.htm

February 26, 2002
Pakistan and China to collaborate in IT, biotechnology
http://www.most.gov.pk/frames/press_releases/PressReleases/Pakistan%20and%20China%20to%20collaborate%20in%20IT,%20biotechnology%2026%20Feb.htm

March 2, 2002
Pakistan and Chine to intensify cooperation in biotechnology
http://www.most.gov.pk/frames/press_releases/PressReleases/Pakistan%20and%20Chine%20to%20intensify%20cooperation%20in%20biotechnology%2002-03-02.htm

and we´ll add more.

And that was DAMN
WELL
NEWS.
"Christ, tabloid headlines have greater editorial rigour than the utter meaninglessness you foisted upon this site in the name of jornalism. Mother of babbling god man. You're an imbecile".

the Irish have a proud tradition of using idiocy to introduce very serious threads.
i know you´ll be back Abraham, and the news will be waiting on you.
:-)
imbecile indeed?

by omar hassem (PBUH) Sun Nov 24, 2002 23:15

PANDABEAR´s been mating?
quite right the US are on the "run" all over the globe.
now do you wish to continue discussing
Abraham, SHeik Emir Osama Yussef Haj Bin Laden citizen (renounced 2001) of Yemen, heir to 300,000,000$ first described by the Jordanian secret service as a terrorist fundraiser and backer in 1995 or are you into the NEWS?

by Abraham Abulafia Mon Nov 25, 2002 01:27

Now, we are beginning to see some journalism.

Expansion, evidence, suggestion, discussion.

The further points seem to justify my original post.

A one, partial sentence fragment, does not a news story make. A ream of links, tied together by a central theme, does a news story make.

It takes a peculiar brand of imbecile to post the line

"no nation nor state shall raise
without prior permission of Washington tax, militia or levy"

and call it news.

It takes another, entirely different, but equally peculiar brand of imbecile to take issue with somes complaint that the above quote does not constitute news.

The type of imbecile who would take my complaint, that a one sentence fragment does not constitute news, and spin that out into a particular political position on the part of the author, is the type of imbecile who makes a slim volume of my vocabulary.

Iossaf - thank you kindly for the links. You have aptly demonstrated the difference between an article that attempts to be informative, and the random babblings of a sub sun idiot. I will not comment on the links, their veracity, or their contribution to an overall understanding of the situation. To do so adequately would take several hours of research.

Omar. You are, indeed, an imbecile. Somehow, you have managed to take a specific comment on the absolute and indisputable paucity of material in the original comment, which only a drug addled chimp in the firm grip of an absinthe binge could mistake for news, and somehow construct of it a worldview diametrically opposed to your own. Not to say I don't appreciate the supplementary information, such as it is, that you supply. I do. And that was exactly my point.

News requires the imparting of information. Information was not, heretofore imparted. Ha#ence the comments.

by Abraham Abulafia Mon Nov 25, 2002 01:40

Why in the name of all that is reasonably sane do people seem to think I have theis issue about China? I have never mentioned China at all, previously, in this discussion. Anyone who thinks I have, and the above posts most certainly think so, must be incontrovertably contextually dyslexic.

The inability to relate a discussion with what was actually said is a fundamental handicap to the proseccution of journalism.

It would be like, Omar, if I insisted suddenly, that you had a pathological hatred of the colour blue.

It is non sequitiur practised as rhetorical art. Repeat after me Omar, context, context, context.

I quote

"we ARE going to talk about CHINA."

Great. No one is freaking stopping you Omar. Its a lot better than quoting a one line quote.

"now do you wish to continue discussing
Abraham, SHeik Emir Osama Yussef Haj Bin Laden citizen (renounced 2001) of Yemen, heir to 300,000,000$ first described by the Jordanian secret service as a terrorist fundraiser and backer in 1995 or are you into the NEWS?"

What? I never even brought the fucker up in the first place. Goddammit man. You seem to think I have a problem with you discussing things. I FREAKING DON'T. That was my goddamn point to begin with. My god man. Discussion is great. Discussion is fucking wionderful. So's journalism. But the line "no nation nor state shall raise
without prior permission of Washington tax, militia or levy"

qualifies as neither.

Sheesh. You goddamn lefties are sooo uptight.

Anyway, to log off for the mo, I'll give your links a cursory view - now that there are links - and maybe I'll discuss them - now that there is something to freaking discuss.

And yes, Omar. You will see a lot more of me. Why?

Because I'm a practising journalist. I read a bare minimum of 5 international newspapers per day, and at least the same amount of news magazines and digests. I've done so for the past three years. I've done comparative articles between media treatments across the Arab and Western world.

The other reason you'll see a lot more of me Omar?

Because drivel like the originating post has no place on a newswire.

by omar hassem Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:19

you are definitely playing your part as I had hoped someone would.
now as a practising journalist you will be aware of the "flying a kite technique", by which a "newsless" item is placed to solicit response.
You will also be aware that neither headlines nor introductory texts in journalese are subject to normal gramatical rules.
Simple Present Tense is often used to convey a sense of urgency.

and I don´t have a double doctorate but neither do you, but three of my peer group who have been attempting to raise some of the above issues do.

A sunday afternoon meaningless post was left to solicit a response intiatate a thread.
The Thread was based on the idea that the current global situation is based on a percieved "PAX AMERICANA" such as previous global crises have been preceded by other nations´ "PAX" [to be correct "PACEM".
You have weighed in with accusations of time wasting yet it would have taken a trained journalist less than one minute to read the post.

"Abraham" sukron!
now we will talk of the PAX AMERICANA, before it recinds into lies.

by iosaf ( the real one monday sober) Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:42

hmmm, I always kites being flown.
and have been watching this develop over the last 24hours. I´ve also been watching a fuel tanker in flames float over 15km NNE in Chinese waters towards a nuclear power station. I love latin as my fans will know, and I love cryptic puzzle clues as well, and I agree with Abraham Abulafia about newsworthy articles, there are lots of newsless posts on the wire.
Abraham could you direct the irish readers to your work on relations between the "WEST" and "the muslim world"?
Are they based in the Maghreb or Levant?
do you have any thoughts on the muslim majority states of Western China, which border Afghanistan?

I do, ever since spending a weekend discussing the Tashkent oil pipeline expansion project.
Now as one who reads many international newspapers and contributes to many transnational discussion forums, and different other types of media, I would like to welcome Abraham to indymedia Ireland.
I really like your "punchy" drug slang style, surprising for a "arab" specialist journalist. I´ve only encountered one before in Paris. Perhaps you know each other?

I recognised the "pax americana" quote for what it was, a rendition of the declaration of independence by the 13 colonies. I thought oh what´s going to follow here.

Then emerged Omar Hassem (he of the doctorates six honorary) OMAR!!! it´s been ages, where have you been hanging out?

I thought of the above, hmmm
newsless or ----very quickly written.
so I anaylised it [I love the analysis Abraham]
and I thought hmmm. we are at DEFCON2, for the info of those who do not know what that means, it means we are one level away from full scale WAR.
We have been at DEFCON2 since Sept 11 2001.
Thus we don´t have a "pax americana".
But no nation state is challenging the presumption on which all international treaties are operating.
No nation state has the "power" to challenge "pax americana" or does it?
I quite agree with "Omar Hassam" and have always since we first met. Dismissing him as a drug addled fiend might be a bit hasty on your part, Abraham.
Can we have those links to your work?
and incidently "pax americana" has been challenged by the Chinese CP congress, i would refer "a fellow professional" to read the Shanghai Star of the last two weeks for their slightly biased reporting on Chinese entry to a world economic status quo based on levy, militia and tax raised only with previous consent by ....Washington.
now $=€ you have been very quite, is that what you meant?
$=€is not a name but a semiotic idea, and one I and many others have used, so I understandably wuold like to know before I get the blame.
looking forward to working with you Abraham Abulafia!
shalom=saleem=mir=pax=peace

by Abraham Abulafia Mon Nov 25, 2002 14:51

Omar.

To quote..

"you are definitely playing your part as I had hoped someone would."

However you may try to paint yourself as a svengali, or an arch, and supremely intelligent manipulator, the facts of the matter, and your own peculiar, asynchronous argumentative style belie this. The fact that you posted your first comment nine hours after the original post also goes someone to undermining this.

To quote again

"You will also be aware that neither headlines nor introductory texts in journalese are subject to normal gramatical rules."

Headlines necessitate explanatory text. I presume you are acquainted with this practice Omar. Its called news. Its how most of us chhose to write. And a non grammatical headline, with no other reference, no comment, and no explanation, still does not constitute news. You idiot.

"and I don´t have a double doctorate but neither do you"

how the fuck do you know I don't have a double doctorate? Do you know who the hell I am? No. Is it indicative of your journalistic integrity that you make assumptions without a shred of evidence? Omar. Basic practice in journalism indicates that you check your facts before you go to print.

To quote you again

"A sunday afternoon meaningless post was left to solicit a response intiatate a thread."

Excellent. You seem finally to have gotten my point. Meaningless. Excellent Omar. Its a stiff learning curve, I know, but I have confidence you'll get the hang of it. And the original post didn't initiate a thread. I did. ME. Not you, Omar. Not the poster. ME. You replied some nine hours after the original post. Your celerity of response, it seems, is matched only by your grasp of logic. Your words also seem pertinent to my other point. A headline constituted, by vacuum of context, entirely of gibberish, does not constitute news. This has been my sole point all along. Finally, you seem to agree. And this is a ...wait for it Omar....I'll even capitalise it for you...a NEWSwire. NEWSwire. It even says so Omar, all over the goddamn site.

So Omar. You are an idiot. An imbecile of macrocosmic proportions. Not because of your political stance - which I never took issue with, you addled little simian, and which you started barking about with all the relevance of a catholic priest at a child welfare conference - but because of your inability to interface with the arguments presented to you. Is this a general problem you have with the rest of reality, or is it a disorder which manifests merely online?

Iossaf...

thank you again, for your reply.

Regarding "directing my readers", this has nothing whatsoever to do with my whole argument, which was qute simple really. The original post was not news, and it was not journalism. I fail to see how my views, experience, or work on the Middle East has any nearing on this. I really have no idea why you are even asking me. Never once did I mention any political stance of mine.

The argument is not about politics. It is about journalism. Plain and simple. Thats all it ever was about. Both you, and Omar seemed unable to keep politics out of it, which has nothing to do with me, or my point. And I have, in the context of my own argument, no reason to discuss politics with you. It has no bearing of the journalistic integrity of the original post. And no bearing on what I was talking about. None.

Thanks for the compliments, Iosaf, and despite the above paragraphs, I greatly look forward to arguing both with, and against you.

A final word to Omar.

Are we clear here Omar? Or do you wish to embarass yourself further? I'm happy to continue arguing with you. But try to keep to the subject, dearie. Watch out for the contextual dyslexia, there Omar.

by iosaf Mon Nov 25, 2002 16:14 iosaf at email dot com

I asked for redirection to other articles as I think that a trained journalist who has quite properly shot down a newsless article on the newswire [which let´s be honest is filled with non-news stuff, and reprints from newspapers], because I think a serious debate of overlap of muslim nations in several spheres of influence is needed in indymedia ireland [a neutral registered website].
I was hoping you could explain to the readers the plight of muslims in Western China, and maybe explain the connections between "Pax americana" and "Pax Xino" [strange terminology?!].
I think that some re-direction might help, which newspapers / media do you write for?
and I´ve checked the long list of "china-paranoia" stuff, some old stuff but it´s still relevant, and some really weird "paranoia" stuff, honestly "Omar Hassam / €=$" to suggest that China might have had a role to play in Sept. 11 is not a new, nor is it new to offer evidence of possible motive, what would be new, and welcome to me, and I suppose Abraham, would be thoughts on how that future "covert conflict" may effect "Western / Muslim" relations.
so we wait on Omar / $=€
and there´s another list being verified on US peace/war dates.
loads of dross for this week I reckon maybe we´ll find some gold?

by Abraham Abulafia Mon Nov 25, 2002 18:17

You may well tun out to be an interesting human being. Looking for my thoughts on Chung Kuo? I'm no expert on the East, my articles were mainly on media treatment, and mainly for fortnight magazine. Not available on line.

At the mo, I'm mashing together my current thoughts, and catching up on my reading, re history and politics, in an effort to inform my understanding of both the relevant situations and the reportage thereof. I've got three books currently on the go, one long term history, and two documenting the historical and political evolution of the region...

Re China, a brief resume of the chronology of the most favoured trading status in the US, from the time of early Clinton onwards, cross-referenced with the various economic and diplomatic realtions should tell anyone all the need to know about US-Sino relations.

To answer your question bluntly, when I feel I have enough information, expertise, and evidence, I'll post my articles. At the moment, I have merely intuition, gut feeling, and the barest of facts upon which to base my analysis. And having read other of your comments, I may well not yet have enough of a grip on the situation to present the article that you may well deserve.

by iosaf ( who maybe one of the interesting human species) - Reclaim the Genome. Mon Nov 25, 2002 22:08 iosaf at email dot com

Hi Abraham!
just a little while back I answered an article posted by a "captain america" on an Islamic issue.
it was a disgusting but well written piece.
I added a link to the muslim community in Ireland.
I deed indeed receive instruction from a Suffi iman do read and write a little arabic but am not muslim. I do not hold one of the "world faiths" considering such a little inappropriate for myself.
I thought as writing that comment that indymedia ireland lacked a muslim voice. I am presuming from your name and short bio-pic of yourself that you´re muslim.
I was of coures referring to Chung Ko but also the six western provinces of China including Tibet. And the general area of Afghanistan (borderlands), north eastern Pakistan, and the "former soviet" stan republics.
I recall speaking "at length" to a refugee from that area in the closing years of the last century. And if this silly stupidity is over above, I would welcome any of your thoughts on this area. My email is above. But let´s agree not to spam each other.

And "$=€" and "Omar Hassem"
I and any of those who "know who they are" instantly recognise the name "omar hassem" and know its significance.
I had not thought to see it yet.
and of course I´ve and i suppose many others have heard the expression "panda bear´s been mating" because I wrote the line, what connection it has to do with Omar Hassem and China I don´t think you managed to make sufficiently clear.

by Abraham Abulafia Mon Nov 25, 2002 22:50

Spam would most certainly not be an issue. Ill tuck away your email for future reference. If you want my input on a story that is online, point me to it, and I will with pleasure attempt to contribute anything I can.

BTW...no, I am not Muslim - but I thought the original Abulafia was a Jewish mytic - 10th century Spain?

by iosaf Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:59

i´ll come back to it with a suggestion within 6 days.
It delights me to be caught out on cabalistic mystics of medieval Spain, a very interesting period of european history for me.

by $=€ Tue Nov 26, 2002 13:17

go to this bbc article for plans announced today
26th Tuesday of November 2002 to thrash levy agreement with China.
and Messrs Abalufia and Hassem you´re just too good at this sort of thing.
you discourage the beginners!
(and I was a bit fluffy around the edges as well).

by Abraham Abulafia Tue Nov 26, 2002 14:26

Iosaf. I'll check back over the next while.

by $=€ Tue Nov 26, 2002 20:37

African Islamic Professor Condemns Terrorism, Praises Muslim Charitable Organizations
Professor Doctor Abdallah Dumbuya, a Gambian scholar with a double Doctorate degree in Islamic Jurisprudence and Sciences, has strongly condemned organisations and groups using Islam as a justification for terrorism and violence.

The Islamic intellectual stated that in Islam "to kill innocent people is haram" [forbidden].

"The super powers should try by all means to stop terrorism immediately," the scholar said, asserting that any terrorist captured should be killed or jailed for life. "If they kill innocent people, they should be killed, if they do not kill but threaten with violence, they should be jailed for up to twenty years or more," he said.

According to Professor Dumbuya, both the Sharia (Islamic law) and Western law agree on the legalities involved in meting out punishment to perpetrators of terrorism.

Dumbuya intimated that although there is more media attention generated by so-called Muslim terrorists, there has been other development oriented Islamic philanthropists who have contributed to mankind. In a bid to give a contrast to Osama Bin Laden's personality he mentioned Sheikh Adina Basalama a Saudi Arabian Muslim cleric whom, he said, is not into terrorism but the development of poor people around the world. "Sheikh Basalama has helped to build schools and mosques in several countries, he has helped spread positive Islamic education to the world community," the professor explained.

Professor Dumbuya also mentioned Salem Bashanfer whom he said is another Saudi cleric very active in helping needy Muslims and underprivileged communities. He also mentioned Mohammed Hassem Sheikh Asheem Barakat and Abdallah Omar Ba Nkhar all Saudi clerics helping needy Muslims "not with guns, or violence."

On the question of State House Imam Fatty's statement that the US government should be blamed for the attack because of their policies, Professor Dumbuya refused to comment, claiming that only "half educated Muslims will support terrorism."

"I am a doctorate, I do not consider half educated people who support terrorism in Islam because they do not know the Quran or the hadith," he said.

He advised Gambians and non-Gambians to be "careful about terrorism," saying that people "who support terrorism will not get any help from the outside world." He called on The Gambia Government to make Islamic knowledge a subject in all the schools in The Gambia, and that Islamic teachers should be given priority in the Department of Education, pointing out that The Gambia is ninety-nine percent Islam.

He called on privileged Muslims to help Imams and Islamic teachers because "they are leading prayers without salary."

"I am asking the people to recognise the dignity of Imams, they are great people in Islam," he appealed.

Profession Dumbuya said that Imams have no other work except leading the Muslim communities "so they should be helped."

He called on schools to encourage their pupils to speak more English instead of vernacular, which he says will not be good for their education." "I met over hundred students of St. Augustine's and Gambia High School recently and they were all speaking vernacular (local languages). I asked them if they are taught in vernacular," Dumbuya said.

He said he contacted a teacher who told him students from Banjul and the Kombos usually fail English objective examinations while their counterparts in the Provinces are known for doing very well in the subject.

Professor Dumbuya commended Citizen FM radio station for their objective reporting, and called on international donor agencies to help the station establish a private television station in The Gambia.

The Islamic scholar roundly condemned the practice of calling the Azzan (early morning prayers) 4 O'clock at night, saying that it is unislamic.

"It is haram to make the Azzan at 4 O'clock when prayers take place at 6 O'clock." "In Islam, the first call should be 45 to 50 minutes before the prayers, and the call should only be twice," he said. He advised Muslims to know that the Azzan is only made two times and it should not be made several times as is the practice. He also condemned the practice of radio stations playing the early morning call repeatedly, as well as playing recordings on amplified speakers.

Professor Dumbuya has an International Doctorate in International Islamic Science, in the High Institute of Religion Principles, Ezzitouna Faculty of Theology, University of Tunis. He also holds another Doctorate degree in Jurisprudence and Legal Policy, and the Provisions of Muslim Law Concerning Children. He has spent up to twenty-one years in his academic pursuit in Tunisia and has undertaken numerous researches in the Arab world. He also works with an international Islamic charitable organisation as adviser.

According to the Professor, his charitable organisation will help The Gambia. "We intend to do a lot of help for Gambia, we have great intentions," he promised. Professor Dumbuya is presently here in The Gambia on a short leave.

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This article originally appeared in The Independent, Banjul, The Gambia, West Africa, October 26, 2001.

by I Mac D. Fri Apr 02, 2004 16:22

and not for nothing is known as the Father of His Nation.
Leave your prejudices alone, go learn a little about that man.
Remember you in Ireland are all descended from whores, slaves and
-You will not like this-
slave owners
as much as anyone on this Blue Green Earth.
The Distance from the crime afforded by Time is the difference, but the crime is common to all.

know thyself.

http://vassun.vassar.edu/~sttaylor/Cooley/Violation.html