swp role in everything

by Party Animal Mon Nov 11, 2002 21:35

I have to question conor about his criticisms of the SWP. Is his criticisms because of the method of the swp, and their antics.

Or is it that you reject political parties? I know that SWP dont exactly have a subtle approach to recruitment. They abuse broad groups they initiate (example GR) and use it for recruitment and dont allow it to develop democraticly. The SWP also have very little internal democracy.

This doesn't mean all parties are like the SWP. I hope that critics of the SWP realise this. All parties have a need for recruitment, Conor I hope that your criticisms of the SWP are not criticisms of parties in general

by Purple Gang Mon Nov 11, 2002 22:47

In fact Conor McGowan hates everyone except his own little sect

by reddub Tue Nov 12, 2002 02:23

The gas thing is Conor was never in the SWP or SWSS. Danny Finn told him they were nasty so he spends his waking life criticising a party that he has hardly heard about, much less been to their meetings!!

Rebel against revolutionaries, the act of a true middle class tosser!!

by MG Tue Nov 12, 2002 09:38

Reddub,

You call Connor a "middle-class tosser" for criticising the SWP. I'm confused. What particular "class" do SWP members come from? It's certainly not the working class anyway...

by fuck off you troll conor - noted yr e-mail address Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:07

Write some fucking news instead of this juvenalia. If your'e bored pull yr pud somewhere else

-IMC Volunteer

by conor mc gowan - ucd sa (in a personal capacity - something the swp dosent offer?) Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:36 conor at ziplip dot com

id advise anyone to look at the common trends of the cult. http://surrealist.org/betrayalofthespirit/interview.html - or just try searching google.

then look at the common structures recruitment styles etc of the sp/swp/any dogmatic far left group in ireland,or indeed worldwide.

they match quite nicely

also-anyone who would like an alternative to the free market was able to see through the bullshit and lies , and ended up in the fucking swp - there is a way out! collectively or individually - you can leave these cults behind , you can have a mind of your own , you can be "autonomous"

save me jusus
save me lenin

-you tell me the difference?

by conor mc gowan - ucd sa (in a personal capacity - something the swp dosent offer?) Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:36 conor at ziplip dot com

id advise anyone to look at the common trends of the cult. http://surrealist.org/betrayalofthespirit/interview.html - or just try searching google.

then look at the common structures recruitment styles etc of the sp/swp/any dogmatic far left group in ireland,or indeed worldwide.

they match quite nicely

also-anyone who would like an alternative to the free market was able to see through the bullshit and lies , and ended up in the fucking swp - there is a way out! collectively or individually - you can leave these cults behind , you can have a mind of your own , you can be "autonomous"

save me jusus
save me lenin

-you tell me the difference?

by cuntstable Alan McLard Arse Tue Nov 12, 2002 13:22

yes lets put the focus back on the all elusive swp, where it should be. I am deeply offended by any critcism directed at Tony blur/B'stard, myself, PSNI pig colleages, the LVF and Johnny Adair, SO DON'T EVEN GO THERE.

by OK - SYUCD Tue Nov 12, 2002 16:28

Conor, You know me and you know that I'm not the biggest fan of the SWP.

However I think that you have to clarify if you are opposed to all parties, or just the SWP. I know you had bad experiece with SWP, but is that a reason to throw the baby out with the bath water?

All parties need to recruit. In the SP we have a recruitment strategy. We want people to join our party and get active. What's wrong with that.

Also I think your assessment of the SWP as a cult is a bit harsh to say the least. I wouldn't classify the SWP as a cult at all. Now look at the sparts, they are a cult. SWP are not.

by silo Tue Nov 12, 2002 16:36

does anyone know if the irish spartacists have a website?

(their "recruitment" efforts always remind me of a drunken rugby player trying to score at closing time.)

by conor Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:57

from the OUTSIDE it is apparant that certain groups are culty.

scientology - cult
opus dei - culty

sparts - cult
swp (and in my opinion the sp to a lesser extent) - culty

cult or culty - its all rather crappy

by pat c Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:58

"by fuck off you troll conor - noted yr e-mail address Tue, Nov 12 2002, 11:07am

Write some fucking news instead of this juvenalia. If your'e bored pull yr pud somewhere else

-IMC Volunteer"

the imc are so understanding. all views are welcome.

how could iever have criticised them?

by OK - SYUCD Wed Nov 13, 2002 13:34

Conor, how are the SP 'culty'?

Conor, what is a cult in your opinion?

In my book a cult is an organisation that cuts its members off from family and friends, it keeps total control over its members. The SP does not have total mind control over it's members! there are vibrant debates and discussions among members. The SP are a political party that is based in the working class, we are not cut off from every day reality, members are not cut off from friends and family! Most of our members are community activists and activists in the Trade Unions.

Conor, you may have had a bad experience with the SWP, that doesn't mean that all political parties are cults! (to say that the SWP is a cult is wrong also in my opinion)

by Amused as fcuk Wed Nov 13, 2002 14:58

OK from the SP, are you naturally stupid or do you work hard at it?

The posting by reddub has made the point about Conor and his wee obsession. But you insist on soothing is hypochondriatic (I know), melodramatic waffle.
There, there sonny - were those nasty democratic centralists picking on you?

Its a 6th form/leaving cert thing that most of us grow out of when we goto college - we realise that we are not the centre of attention. Unfortunately Conor hasn't got there yet.

by Dan - SA Wed Nov 13, 2002 20:27 rogerprotzlives at yahoo dot co dot uk

Yeah its true, ive brainwashed poor Conor, forgive him lord for he knows not what he says,
hes just a poor wee boy who does whatever I tell him to. And whatever else you need to keep
telling yourselves. He was in the SWP by the way; he was even on the branch committee,
then ran away a couple of months before the rest of us.

I sometimes wonder who hates me more - the ucd branch of fianna fail or the swp. Doe sit really matter anyway?

No

n.b call me Dan or Daniel but no-one calls me Danny

by conor - sa Wed Nov 13, 2002 20:52 conor at ziplip dot com

i agree with dan
i agree with dan
i agree with dan
i agree with dan
i agree with dan
i agree with dan

we in the socialist (insert split here) collectively think that

i agree with dan
i agree with dan

by what's up Thu Nov 14, 2002 00:41

What is the stroy with you Socialist Alternative guys? What are your positions an policies? Are you trying to recruit outside the campus or what?

From what I can see you're a right-wing split from the SWP. You reject some very basic ideas about party organisation. You seem very anarchistic.

I understand that ye lot may have issues with the SWP, but why are you attacking the SP, what have they done to you?

by Popeye Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:21

They were a waste of spece inside the SWP and now they've set up their own little sect they continue to be a waste of space. Although they have no policies, no agreed platform, no coherent view on revolutionary politics, they think everybody should listen to them because they are the font of all wisdom.
When it comes to serious work they're not there.
Leave them to their fantasies.

by conor - ucd sa Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:04 conor at ziplip dot com

but if you must try the weblink and find our super duper positions on things.it will be updated soon enough

popeye is apparantly a swimmer too "They were a waste of spece inside the SWP and now they've set up their own little sect they continue to be a waste of space"

it seems anyone on the left who dosent BELIEVE in the notion of sell sell sell papers is an anarchist these days.that was SOCIALIST alternative , not ararchist alternative.

all i suggested is that you please dont sell the paper an a NON SOCIALIST march!!! yes thats right , STUDENT members of all groups (and that includes libertarian socialist freeloaders who dare suggest autonomy) are welcome

students that is

by Dan - SA Mon Nov 18, 2002 20:13 rogerprotzlives at yahoo dot co dot uk

Would every swapper who writes a post abusing SA mind signing their name?
If you have any confidence in what youre saying you should be ready to identify yourself.
We wont hurt you, really, honest.