Fascist moles in IMC Ireland?

by Daithi Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:31

I didn't delete this article, but I have deleted many by Mr. More before.

We have a policy against crossposts, in accordance with general IMC guidelines.

Adrian More, and others, post articles on a regular basis to every single network site.

This is discouraged by us; we have emailed More and the other spammers a number of times to ask them to stop abusing the facilites of the multiple IMCs.

Some listen; some don't. The Internet's a big place, if you want to provide space for deliberate attempts to undermine the Indymedia vision of providing alternative news and views then off you go, no-one's going to stop you.

But quit this nonsense about fascist conspiracies in the editorial group. If this is fascism what are you going to do if you ever have to face real fascism?

by iosaf Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:34

it was a great raqmbling beast of a post.
lots good in it maybe you could repost a link to its origin.
but it was very very long.
well rambled.
but very very long, and all over the place.
and there are no moles in Ireland.
and fascists are very very real and scary.
and I´m sure there a few in Ireland.
but i´m sure there are none in IMC ireland.
there they are a hardworking bunch of folk.
lovely.

by Daithi Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:44

Which one of the 100 wires would you like to see it at?

:-) I wonder if a ramble in SF is the same as a ramble in Ireland? I know our rambles are on a white background while rambles in the UK are white-on-black...

try http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=216013&group=webcast

on the global wire.

by antidaithi Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:46

What's wrong with cross posts, provided they enhance the visibility of critical thinking on IMC?

Isn't it what IMC is supposed to be all about - critical thinking?

Do you please prove that you emailed More 'a number of times'? I know Adrian More and he's telling me it's a fucking lie.

Why do you define a critical thinker such as Adrian More 'spammer'? This qualify you as a plant.

YOU are undermining the Indymedia vision of providing alternative news and views with your arbitrary delition of antigovernamental thinking.

You are a fastist censor.

by iosaf Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:47

tis only right that the UK lot get to save all the shite, we do the same in the europe, a tip though the UK lot don´t like gaeilge, they edit it out immediately.
is fascist watcher happy now?
and why was he/her so into the text in the first place?

by Antifascist Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:51

Your Sat Nov.9 2002 6:34pm conment above was a great rambling beast of a post. Nothing good in it at all.

What's wrong with length, as long as one has lots of original things to say like More?

Can you prove there are no moles in Ireland - especially since you sound just like one of them?

Moles like you and "daithi" may not even be Irish at all.

by Daithi Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:56

The editing process is CONTENT NEUTRAL.

Once more, CONTENT NEUTRAL.

It doesn't matter what More or anyone else is saying.

A look at the archive of hidden posts shows that crossposted articles have been on every topic under the sun.

Right, left, middle, green, red, black, and just plain daft.

Good articles, bad articles, all hidden.

2000 global IMC draft response to crossposters:

Your posts to more than one indymedia sites are acting against the organizational model of
indymedia. Central to indymedia is the idea of a local community based media center. By
posting across many sites, I'm sure you hope to reach more people. The problem is that by
cross-posting to multiple indymedia sites you reduce the value of the whole network. When
somebody looks to see the news from italia.indymedia.org they aren't looking to see something
from __place__ about __topic__ which doesn't related to what is going on in Italia. What you
should do in this case is look for the best place to post the article. If there is an IMC in your
town, then post it there. If you're writing about events in another city, such as a commentary on
the IMF/World Bank protests in Prague, then post in on the prague.indymedia.org site.
Otherwise just post in to the main www.indymedia.org website. Currently we have people
looking over all the sites and featuring and linking to the articles on the other indymedia sites.
This is not ideal, it means the editorial process is limited to a few people so we are working on
developing new software which will make this process open, participatory, and democratic.

I have emailed More and other crossposters since starting editorial work earlier this year. I don't have an archive of all my sent messages and furthermore I don't feel obliged to offer proof. You clearly have an attitude problem with this issue and nothing I say is going to change it.

by Patrick Sat Nov 09, 2002 19:56

If the reason why you favored the deleting Adrian More from the wire were cross posting as you falsely claimed, then you wouldn't have defined his posts as "rambles" by a "spammer", as in your 6:44pm and 6:31pm conments above.

Thus you're proven to be a liar/plant/mole.

Is your nickname "iosaf" by any chance?

by Patrick Sat Nov 09, 2002 20:04

You are a liar.

If the editing process were content neutral as you falsely stated, then, again, you wouldn't have called Adrian More rambling spammer in your 6:44pm and 6:31pm conments above.

Once more: YOU ARE NOT CONTENT NEUTRAL - YOUR JUDGMENTAL WORDS BETRAYED YOU.

by Daithi Sat Nov 09, 2002 20:11

6.31: the term "spam" is content neutral..it's not left-wing spam or right-wing spam just spam.
6.44: using Iosaf's "ramble" tongue-in-cheek while providing a link to the article!

Happy now?

by Patrick Sat Nov 09, 2002 20:21

The term "spam" is NOT content neutral, in that it has a negative connotation of something silly and unwanted.

"Ramble" is disparaging too - I mean if you know English.

Providing a link to the article does not achieve the same visibility as having it listed on the front page of the Newswire.

Shot down again, red herring.

by Daithi Sat Nov 09, 2002 20:36

It is not being listed on the newswire and that is not going to change no matter how many times you call me a liar.

It would be showing bias to hide other crossposts in accordance with our policy and then allow this article simply because you're prepared to hurl mud and kick up a fuss.

The editorial mailing list is [email protected] . If you wish to make further complaints please direct them there.

by Antifascist Sat Nov 09, 2002 20:46

...from the fascist liar who calls himself "daithi".

Yes I know you plants have the password power to shoot down critical thinking from IMC Ireland (BTW, could you prove you are IMC Ireland staff by deleting this comment?...).

Change your policy and stop hiding all crossposts, not only Adrian More's.

It is YOU who kicked up a fuss in the first place by deleting/sabotaging the original post (Have A Last Stroke & Die, Nov.5, 2002 version).

And it is YOU and your self-multiplied moniker "iosaf" who hurled up mud in the first place by smearing More's essay as "ramble" and "spam".

You are a plant and it's plain for all to see now.

by greenPartyMike - Green party USA Sat Nov 09, 2002 22:39 ollamhfaery at earthlink dot net

To Daithi and all the heroes of Indy media world wide,
Just a quick word of thanks from this Green Party Activist from the heart of the corporate beast, America. I started reading the rambling, drawn out crap that was posted re Cheney etc. Never mind that I actually agreed with some of the points that were made, at least with the part that I did read, none-the-less thank you for deleting it. It was pure and simple drivel for the most part and repetitive and, well crap and spamming at it's very worst. I have had disagreements with some of the "left" in the South re the stand taken in the North (still do for that matter) BUT I still commend you all for your anti-war, anti-Bush and US govt stand. But then I am probably a secret US intelligence agent trying to fragment the anti-war left in Ireland, no wait, I AM DICK CHENEY.
Keep up the good work, oh and if you are ever interested in checking out some of our work here in America, please feel free to check out the Minneapolis/St Paul site where you will find some of the reporting of GreenPartyMike on the pro-war, corporatization of the media here. Start with a report done by yours truely on the protests at NPR, a "public owned" radio station, which has as the manager a former director of Radio Free America, a propoganda outlet of the US government. again, thank you and keep it up, oh and again try to visit the Garvaghy Rd or Holy Cross in the Ardoyne some time. Sorry, could not help it had to say that.
//:-)....

by redPartyMike Sat Nov 09, 2002 23:27

...just like "daithi" and all the moles planted in Indymedia to sabotage critical thinking worldwide.

Got any counterarguments to Adrian More's critical thinking, or just your same old backfiring insults, craphead?

Go give cheney another blowjob, selfmultiplying moniker.

And stop posing as a leftwinger-in-denial, dick.

by clarifier Sat Nov 09, 2002 23:52

...get all-clear, or are you just spamming?

Only in the latter case: go fuck your selves.

by Logic Sun Nov 10, 2002 01:29

Not everyone has as a much time on his hands, paid for by the bush/blair thugs, to surf through all IMC sites all the time.

Therefore it is perfectly proper for critical thinkers like Adrian More to crosspost, in order to give everyone a chance to access critical truth.

And this kind of global visibility for critical thinking is exactly what plants like "daithi"="iosaf"="greenpartymike" are up against.

Keep up the good work Adrian.
We stand foursquare with you.

by idiots Sun Nov 10, 2002 01:38

You crack heads need to get a new hobby. if IMC is so awful why don't you start up your own rival network or something. Why come here at all? Complain complain complain. Where in the world do you think that is going to get you?

by Logic Sun Nov 10, 2002 01:48

Shooting down critical thinking is what you're all about, idiots. You don't belong to IMC.

You're just plants.

Where in the world do you think your spamming is going to get you?

Fuck off. dickhead.

Stop posing as an IMC supporter. You're pathetic. Get lost and hang your selves, moniker.

by Equalizer Sun Nov 10, 2002 02:13

...=aha=idiots=bush/blair assmole.

by publo Sun Nov 10, 2002 13:19

I wish i were a hash plant...

by x Sun Nov 10, 2002 14:53

Antifascist, it's real mature of you to post under several nicks to your own post. Your real name wouldn't happen to be Adrian More, would it? Why should your articles be afforded more visibility than other peoples? The rules are equal for everybody - even if a Noam Chomsky article is posted all over the place it is still removed from all but one of the indymedia sites - the one that is most relevant to the article.

by iosaf Sun Nov 10, 2002 15:09

I (who will swiftly move on to whether or not I am a mole) read the first post elsewhere, then again the Nov 5. version here. I commented
"ramble ramble good ramble" etc., on the deleted post. I also chose to copy the whole file as I thought it might be deleted yesterday afternoon. I returned to the IMC Ireland site to see the fascist mole debate begin. I continued to post comments I asked that a link be placed. I thought that was a compromise and I was suggested it. I also thought of pasting the article entire as a comment. I as comically as ever said there were no moles in Ireland, thinking of the little critters. I am Irish and there are many who can attest for that fully documented identity. The article is rambley but good, a lot of interesting stuff in it. I congratulated the editorial privelage user also as part of the compromise in the comments above. Now if I was logged into IMC ireland, italy, barcelona, sweden, germany and simultaneously listening o Firenze radio yesterday whilst also replying to mails and sending mails it is only a sign that I like open newswires, use fibreoptic cable ISDN, am interested in Indymedia, understand and read and post in many languages, like what is going on in Firenze and have a busy cyber-life of my own. I´m not sure I deserve the appelation "fascist mole" or censor. I was a keen reader.
Now I´ll be back in about ten minutes I´ve to go check the sunday stew.

by iosaf Sun Nov 10, 2002 15:54

we are happy to report that using new techniques we have guided a Labour Party deputy
by iosaf - discordian fortean lunatic fringe slightly creepy psi activists Sat, Nov 9 2002, 4:06pm
that was the mood I was in yesterday.

c/f

http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=16961

at 6.47pm Irish indymedia time I posted my second comment I was writing it whilst the third comment was posted thus I was "mal-chronicised".

You will see the comment above the link to Indymedia homepage publication of a rambley rambley article with a lot of interesting stuff in which yesterday whilst taking time out from sending Labour deputies psychic messages and describing myself as slightly creepy I thought to ask for a link to.

This according to some is grounds to be thought a mole and liar and plant.
C/f above comments.

hmmm.
yesterday I also posted:
"is fascist watcher happy now?
and why was he/her so into the text in the first place" but by the time it reached the site you had continued being very un-happy.
Yesterday Dave (Hank) also posted his loved up cross post flotsam thing.

How many readers have now gone and read Mr More´s post?
would you agree with me that it is rambley but interesting and a point by point anaylsis of Defence Secretary press statements in the USA with supporting analysis of Strategic Studies Institute?

"Can you prove there are no moles in Ireland - especially since you sound just like one of them?"

-----No I can´t humbly sorry.
-----there maybe some and they would be very dangerous for the ecosystems.

Now in the interest of balanced writing between the very vocal "lobbies" on what is actually a very well established transnational newswire I have recently taken to taking the piss out of probably all of ye. No offence meant. Quite honestly.
I wrote rambley I meant it.
But I copied the file incase it was edited.
To do so no more means I am a plant or Daithi is a plant or you are.
and then it gets ridiculous.

For f*^*Ñg sake it is a open transnational newswire.
Learn how it works and how to use it.
Most of this constant cyber-ontological-linguistic stream is just that a stream of constantly recycling replicating information.
Reposting detracts from the inherent chaos anarchy of open newswire & discussion.
it´s known as "sindominio"
get it?
you´re arguments are about a text yet none have saide why you wanted it posted. that would have belonged to the stream.
It is not enough to take party-political propaganda into this place. Ask yourselves questions about it´s transnational global importance and relevance and re-write that propaganda.
It is not enough to bring your hackneyed language and favourite writers into this place.
this place is for thinking.
a point by point critical essay on Cheney and others´ speeches.
Is this relevant to "section 31" in Ireland today or tomorrow or next week? You know where the ramble is and I as a keen reader and writer and uploader of over a mega byte on open wire know you know how to find it.
Then discuss "plant" and "liar" and "fascist".
the article now posted upon 25+ times discusses these ideas ¿NO?

by Equalizer Mon Nov 11, 2002 10:52

Drop the ganja, "publo": you can't take it.

by Equalizer Mon Nov 11, 2002 10:54

...=greenpartymike=idiots=bush/blair mole planted in Indy to spam critical thinking 24/7.

by Equalizer Mon Nov 11, 2002 11:02

x sun, it's real mature of you to post under several nicks to your own conments. Your "real" name wouldn't happen to be daithi or iosaf or greenpartymike or idiots... Or are they just all self-multiplied monikers?

Your drivel is illogic invalid: not only Adrian More's, but everybody's articles should be offered the same visibility on each and every IMC site of their own choosing at the same time if they so choose.

Almost no other IMC site removes so-called "cross-posts" - but Ireland's plants. - so you lied again.

Adrian More's and everybody else's 911 essays and state-terror essays are relevant to all IMC sites worldwide because state terror can strike anybody anywhere - just like your nazi slavemasters bush & cheney keep on reposting and crossposting on each and every world massmedium - not only DC local radio.

by Equalizer Mon Nov 11, 2002 11:12

Posting links does not achieve the same visibility as being front page on a site.

Therefore you moles are sabotaging critical thinking.

I'll try now to post Adrian More's original essay and see what happens.

by pat c Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:21

i miss some fun.

now really iosaf, neither of us are in any position to condemn an article for being long & rambling.

having said that, if that was a reposting of the original then it could have done with some editing.

by iosaf = o as if = Mr O ´asif = Ipsiphi - (also rarely Ignatius the indignant and very rarely Pandabear) Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:28 iosaf at email dot com barcelona also use '¿?'

now in the entire history of Indymedia since Seattle I have only seen five articles removed with only one comment affixed by those with editorial privelage when that one comment has been left by myself using one of my pseudonoms.

It has twice happened on Indymedia Ireland.
One: with "Dave/Hank" the week of the NICE referendum when "Dave/Hank" sent his "loved-up" "I´m God" spam.
Two: with Dave again last week when I commented "your rea name is Hank isn´t it and your 57 years old and I love the photo of you and your girlfriend at the burning man"
Three: this cross-posting of Mr More´s article.
.......which I asked to be linked and thought of reposting and you´ve reposted. If you knew anything about my own writing you´d know I have done very similar things to the speeches of Blair as refers the Irish peace process and Iraq. to my knowledge I have never influenced a decision to edit a story off a newswire part from Dave/Hank.

and the only other relevant occasion was when I affixed a comment using lines from the poem "an spailpín fanach" to an article on the Irish Traveller Community (a copy of which is on the first page of Indymedia Ireland scroll down to the bottom "in Ireland Marcus is a traveller". I left this comment on indymedia.U.K. and the editorial team there don´t recognise gaeilge and thus edited the whole thing off.

Now thinking about this whole thing last weekend I noticed that the time the "offence" ws commited there were six people logging on to indymedia ireland and leaving posts/comments.
Daithi (the name of the editorial privelage holder)
Iosaf = o as if = Mr O´asif = Ipsiphi = Ignatius the indignant (rarely and sardonically) = Pandabear (team member)= Reclaim the Genome (founder) = Reclaim the Streets! (activist/apologist) = recuperem els carrers! (Barcelona version of RTS) = Under your feet! (underground media/tech suppport group based in Italy) the Truth shall set us free (never used that name on indymedia it is used by somebody else a group for openeness on xeno-research)= [the anagrams:Mafiosa Camaraddia = If Osama mad IRA cad].
I don´t use anyone elses names ´coz I´m happy with my own. Autonomy begins with self. Iosaf Mac diarmada = If Osama mad IRA cad the anagram used to support articles/digital work written/made by myself&/colleauges on the issues Mr More is writing about. I am the one who released the Jordanian files on Osama Bin Laden, so I doubt I could be considered as blocking "critical thinking" on these issues.
So you got upset with me. blame iosaf.
So you got upset with Green party Mike. blame him.
You didn´t get upset with the others in the "room" at the same time. Why???????
Now I don´t have to call in Pandabear to do a deconstructionalist echelon style analysis of all indymedia posts to the Ireland website over the last four weeks to know who wuld have normally been logging on this time or to recognise key personal vocabulary or encrypted name choices.
But I could. But that would be silly, much like this whole argument. I personally didn´t want to see the article deleted, but I support the editorial team in their decisions, coz I know they make good ones most of the time.
But in the disingenious way in which you laid your attack you left no doubts as to your indentity, which is a bit foolish. Wearing a mask has power oh yes, but some of us always see under these masks.
I don´t like being accused of being a mole.
But it isn´t the worst thing has happened to me this week so no matter.
Fair play for reposting the article
but still no-one appears to be commenting on it only myself.
and I said
ramble ramble ramble interesting stuff though.
and I stand by it.
O as if!
heart and Mind.
(in future you can post a link back to this article so as to keep it in the stream for ever:-)

by Aidan Mon Nov 11, 2002 13:31

We've been accused of being pro SWP, anti SWP, a WSM front, West Brit, Southern Loyalists, and now infiltrated by facists.

Iosaf Firstly far more than five articles have been removed from Indymedia since Seattle. Alot more. But thank you for the even handed contribution.

Adrian Moore, Posts consistently and constantly often the same articles over and over again on newswires over the globe.

If Indymedia let this happen, along with allow multipule posts at the same time, it would be an easy matter for someone to drown out every other voice using Indymedia, through the volume and density of their postings. That is a form of censorship, silencing other voices by shouting.

Adrian Moore does this alot. It's an abuse of the principles and ideals of Indymedia. Antifacist/Patrick can disagree with this and they're welcome to, as they're welcome to come along and get involved. This decision to stop cross posting was reached by consensus by the IMC Ireland collective, as a group. If you don't like this get involved, and change the direction (I can almost see Pat C's response) Screaming abuse from the sidelines isn't going to change this. Playing a part in Indymedia is.

As for being objective and deleting all cross posts. You're right we miss some, but this isn't some sinister conspiracy to silence people you feel should be heard but rather a short staffed oganisation run by volunteers who believe in the ideals of Indymedia and give their free time to make this site work.

by iosaf Mon Nov 11, 2002 13:52

I meant that only five articles I have been the only to comment on have been deleted.
That means only five times has an article been deleted with only one comment made by me.
I was the first to comment on the More piece before its deletion, then when the dabacel began I was accused of being a fascist mole by posting a "shoot down comment" that comment included such well known code words as
"ramble" and the real killer "interesting".
This is really pissing me off.
It seems to me that someone has been dosing heavily on BBC spy propaganda TV over the last while. ¿Fascist moles? think how a fascist mole would behave. Perhaps you might write an article on agent provocatuers, use the BBC as a source? Your comments have done more in line with "fascist mole-ism" and "agent provaceurism" then anyone else. and why the fuck do you think its such a good article?

Perhaps when you go on to repost the other bunch of More "text in progress" articles you may write an introduction like
...."I really like what MR Adrian More writes, I agree with his analysis of xxxxx look at xxxxx think about xxxxxx, this to my mind is true critical thinking, which is why I want to spread it with emotionally charged accusations, why just ponder xxxxx or zzzzz, I think that reminds me of xxxxxx".

and isn´t it strange knowing how openwires work that this article now has so many comments attached that any user approaching the link that I suggested and later provided in addition to the editors that more people will read the article now?
And can ou give me any example of I "shooting down" with "codewords" anothers writing here?

I take issue. I quip. I take the piss.
I go off on tangents. But I very very rarely say "this is shite" not even to Spartie-dude.
yes to "Dave/Hank" my words were "this is brain frying shite" and it was "brain frying shite" but that´s "Dave/Hank".

I think you wouldn´t recognise a fascist mole if one passed you a joint in a floor-sitting circle.

I live in a city still trying to come to terms with fascism and the transition from fascism in 1976-1978. Fascism means something where I live, and where I came from. British fascists killed the animals of my squatting community, to stop migrant involvement in London occupation. Now again in Barcelona the same issue as this week the powers that be want to evict a 200strong set of flats lived in by paperless migrants. I know what fascists are, and I know what moles are.
= grow fucking up.

by iosaf Mon Nov 11, 2002 14:04

not everyone pays their phone bills who surfs constantly through the stream of indymedia and protest sites and open wires.
your logic is flawed.to suggest that they are plants of Bush/Blair is really not to understand the technology = do a night course.
and grow fucking up.
"sucking Cheney´s dick"????????????????
We have all noted that you have not identified yourself even by offering a reply email address.
now I´ve a stew to deal with.
but fuck off still!
yes fucking fuck off you fuck-iyt-fucky-fuck!
with insults on top!
fucking great fucking fuckity fucking insults!
of "the your mammy is...." type.
and surpise surprise they´ve edited the thing out of the comments, so you´d still have to use the link I suggested.
fucking fucked up fucker!
I almost hope you actually meet a fascist and that you really are one of us.
can I write fuck again?
fuck fuck fuckity fuck!
fuck fuck fuckity fuck!

by Badman Mon Nov 11, 2002 15:16

As far as I can see the claim that this article has been crossposted on several IMC's is uncontested. It is also uncontested that IMC has an explicit policy against this. Therefore the only possible reason that anybody might have chosen to remove this article is that they are touts, informers and fascist spies.

If the above makes sense, I'd say that a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia is highly likely - get out the chemical cosh lads and give yourselves a few smacks.

by pat c Mon Nov 11, 2002 16:33

hmm badman

in the ussr, dissidents were diagnosed as suffering from mental illness & locked away.

now those who challenge imcs policies are accused of suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.

i'll say no more...

ps well maybe i will. this "you can only criticise imc from the inside" sounds suspiciously like "democratic-centralism, stalinist variety.

by pat c Mon Nov 11, 2002 16:58

anyone ever read "clans of the alphane moon" by p k dick?

a bunch of psychiatric patients abonded on an alphane moon during an interstellar war. they form their own communities.

para schids - "adolphville"

manic deps - "de vinci heights"

depressives - "cotton mather estates"

hebrephenics - "gandhi town" (heh heh)

cant remember the rest, but they come together in a sort of united nations.

enough of this, gotta get back to da heights

by Controller Mon Nov 11, 2002 18:08

In your Sun, Nov 10 2002, 2:09pm spam item above you said that there are many "who can attest for that fully documented identity": how are we to be able to verify it and those "many"?

An article cannot be at the same time "rambly" and "good": the 2 terms are mutually exclusive.
Give up your illogic, mr ruse.

IMC is NOT about "compromise": IMC is instead for "no-compromise" alternative thinking. Compromise is for you fascist plants and your terrorist slavemasters and planters.

If you're interested (or better pretend to be) in Florence news noone is forcing you to read Adrian More's world-relevant essays.

But you have no right to prevent others from reading Adrian More on Ireland if they so wish. Doing/supporting that is exactly what censorship/fascism are all about.

by iosaf Mon Nov 11, 2002 19:07

and now we see aget provacateurism in action eh? fascist watcher?
trawl backthrough all my comments.
You will see that I first commented on a Reclaim the Streets event in Dublin giving my name and address.
Telephone me, if you trawl nack you will fid my phone number.
Read my comments and articles during a prolonged period there were more than a FEW JOKES about the passport.
Ask either the Passport office or the Gardaí Siochanna serous crime division of Phoenix Park.
concerning which, you may contact the independent media organisation that placed my smiling face on RTE national TV in May of 1994.
Trawl back through back issues of Trinity News (a magazine of TCD) you will find me on the front cover of the November edition 1989, published this week 13 years ago with the caption "what is this man doing on the front of Trinity News?"
nice that one eh?

no-one knew then.... well I in true sinister psichic Mr O´asif style thought some day a fucked up unhappy fucker will try and discredit me online and play very old agent provacateur games with me, oh I better leave a few surprises about the place.

More steps to finding proof of my identity, could include writing letters to various NGO´s and tracing the progress of several international law suits against the Irish British and French states.
IF that is too boring for you, you may go to barcelona indymedia and find the last reclaim the streets! event you will see me phoographed smiling as always with an "illegal" sticker on my "recuperem els carrers!" t-shirt.
hmmmm can I offer the fascist watcher agent provacateur any more advice on verifying my identity? why yes I can, sne me an email saying can you provide conclusive evdience such as is used in your continuing case against one of the aforew mentioned states and four multi-national-corporations, coz I´m a fuckhead with no fucking sense of anomynity and open wire publishing, and I think that anyone who comments on things I post should only say "its brilliant, now the world will truly be a better place for all to live in".

and on logic
I said rambley
it is rambley
I said it contained much of interest, now as a example of other rambling texts with interesting stuff I would point to the synpotic texts of the New Testament of the Christian Bible. Their rambling bits were edited out to put the interesting bits in well a better light.
Your logic like your politics is immature and not worth a shitty moment more of my time.
so as I earlier put so eloquently
FUCK YOU.

& fuck you more for using this article to say online what you haven´´t the courage to say to in email to my addresses.
I didn´t edit your post. I seem to be the only who read it. And it is rambley. FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU!

by pat c Mon Nov 11, 2002 19:24

do ya know doris & christine? say hello 2 them for me if ya do.

by Red Star Rising Mon Nov 11, 2002 19:59

+ Fuck You

Is that the best you can come out with.

You have got some great tame Anarchists in Iosaif and Ray here.

by doris Mon Nov 11, 2002 22:47

I attest to his identity.
he has a few but the iosaif is his favourite.
The beard in the dodgey old photographs is gone now, and the dreadlocks have been cut as well, but in that head the eloquence still goes on.
he very rarely says fuck have any of you noticed that? and above he has said fuck lots.
he must be very upset.
poor upset iosaif.
I´ve known him for years, and have seen him having the "prove who you are" conversation with lots of police men and agents in a few cities.
It´s normally very funny.
I´ve got his bank account numbers too if anyone would like to make a small donation to his ongoing work they can lodge € to
[that would be well out of order wouldn´t it]
anyway he looks just like himself with a mask on or without.
except of course when he wears the latex formed face changer masks, oh you should see them, have you all fooled, why he could look like Pat C. (without a mask) in one of those. But of course if he was wearing a latex face changer mask under a wooly mask he would just look like himself waering a wooley mask.
It´s all masks and identities in this game isn´t it. And have you read the More piece?
Isn´t it a load of shite?
isn´t it a load of waffling all over the place shite.
And it doesn´t even go near the Jordanian / French anaylsis of Al Qaeda does it?
And it just offers a leftwing kneejerk reaction to Cheney´s speeches doesn´t it?
load of shite.
But Iosaif thinks it has some interesting stuff in it.
he´s too nice for ye.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:56

Only a complete idiot or a bushiite assmole or both would contend that 911 reasearch and general state-terror reasearch is irrelevant to Ireland - unless of course one is doing is damnedest to keep the issue out of Ireland as "iosaf" and his self-multiplied monikers are doing.

Taking down critical thinking from Ireland destroys most of its visibility - your hypocritical links to it notwithstanding, because the amount of readers who'll click on the post "Are there fascist moles in Ireland" is not necessarily the same as would have clicked on to Adrian More's "Have A Last Stroke & Die".

Your pseudopoints are all invalid.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:59

...in being long - provided you got loads of original/interesting/well-documented and elaborated reasearch as the critical thinker Adrian More.

His essay "Have A Last Stroke & Die" is not "rambley" at all - solid, well-written inquiry about cheney's state-terror acts.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:05

"iosaf" has no right whatsoever (nor do his self-multiplied monikers "daithi"="greenpartymike"="idiots") to delete critical thinking such as Adrian More's or place it on the same level as "spam" "ramble".

Critical thinking is what IMC is all about.

Again: crossposting of critical thinking should be encouraged by the IMC community - and indeed almost no other IMC site takes down crossposts - unless of course one is a fucking bushiite assmole like "iosaf" & toupees, hell-bent on sabotaging critical thinkers like More 24/7 on blair's/bush's payroll.

Again: taking down Adrian More or anyone else from the front page destroys most or all of a poster's visibility on a particular site.

Kill your selves, smallwig.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:18

...="greenpartymike"="idiots"=bush/blair plant.
Because, again and again and again: there is nothing wrong in crossposting critical thinking - quite the contrary: it is what IMC is all about, or ought to be (and indeed most of it is - almost no other site takes down crossposts).

But our umpteenth mole toupee "aidan" is a fucking liar too: Adrian More's are in fact by no means "reposts": quite the contrary: they are constantly updated and expanded versions, like "Have A Last Stroke & Die (Nov.5, 2002 version)",, which had been posted on Ireland on Saturday, Nov.9 2002 4:26pm for the very first time and on the same afternoon it was crossposted for the very first time worldwide.

If only our smallwig "aidan" would bother to read. Or maybe he does read: but what else do you expect from a lying-for-a-living troll whose job is to spam critical thinkers 24/7 on behalf of his state-terrorist slavemasters bush & blair.

Adrian More takes away no space from noone, and neither do other critical thinkers: there's enough space for everyone on IMC.

But then again: destroying the visibility for anti-govt thinking is what these pigs/censors are all about.

Isn't it funny that the individual who actually took down Adrian More's essay twice from the front page on Saturday, Nov.9, and 4 or 5 times from this comment section wouldn't even bother to post a comment to explain his act of sabotage?

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:23

...that so many plants such as "iosaf" would be spamming an IMC comment section like this one so close to each other?

Isn't it strange that so many people would take issue with Adrian More (a critical thinker and anti-govt opinionist) on a site like IMC?

Unless of course they were a bunch of self-multiplied moles - poodles on someone else's leash.

And again and again and again: it is ludicrous to contend that posting a link in a comment buried in a comment section of a post titled "Are there fascist moles in Ireland?", would achieve more readers that having Adrian More's "Have A Last Stroke & Die" front page on IMC Ireland.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:27

Only a fucking asshole/assmole like you would contend that providing an email address would identify someone - everyone knows that anyone can provide false data to get an email address and thus an email address proves nothing about a person's identity - least of all yours, fuckin' sonofabitch.

Stop posing. Your ruse is up. Go give blair another blowjob, Moniker.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:34

The men in white would soon came and pick you up.

Either you are a complete idiot or you're just illiterate or both: it's been said again and again, but repetita iuvant: if the problem with Adrian More's essay "Have A Last Stroke & Die" had been crossposting, then your other impersonations "daithi" and "iosaf" wouldn't have labeled it disparagingly "ramble" and "spam".

Your pseudopoint is invalid.

And furthermore, let's say it again and again and again: ther is nothing wrong with crossposting critical truth (that's what IMC ought to be and indeed for the most part is all about).

Go fuck your selves, you crossposter of (govern)mental drivel all over IMC worldwide 24/7.

Kiss my ass.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:42

NONE OF THE TRICKS & DEVICES YOU PROVIDED COULD POSSIBLY OFFER ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE OF YOUR IDENTITY.

Emails can be fabricated as front for false data/false IDs, you fucking fascist assmole/troll/whore.

To all media/ongs you mentioned you may have furnished a false identity - as fucking trolls/plants/liar-for-a-living like you would tipically do.

But if you really want to prove your identity, scan your ID and post it here - it maybe false too, sure, but at least we may verify it.

And: if you asshole presume to judge the critical thinker Adrian More's essay "Have A Last Stroke & Die (Nov.5, 2002 version)" as "rambley", then you had better come up with some hard evidence - lest your conment should appear what it is: baseless hogwash.

Have a last stroke & die, you fucking fascist troll/mole/plant/infiltrator/saboteur motherfucker.

by Antifascist Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:47

...the same old motherfucking troll, self-multiplying again, but again furnishing no conclusive evidence as to his (faked) identity.

A change of gender makes your toupee only look more ridiculous, asshole.

And: if you "think" (I'm being very loose in using the term) that Adrian More's "Have A Last Stroke & Die" is "shite" you'd better come up with some hard evidence lest your shit appear as such - backfiring insults.

Go give cheney another good suck, whore.

by Badman Tue Nov 12, 2002 13:29

It would explain a lot!

If not, why don't yez hop on a plane to a small island somewhere where yez can prove yer identities to your hearts' content and maybe even improve them while you're at it?

Anyone who has bothered to read this thread is (like me) already well convinced of both your insanity and you really don't have to keep on proving the same point. So......SHUT UP!!!!!!

by iosaf Tue Nov 12, 2002 13:32

and Doris was a joke.
the first time i´ve used a different name in the comments above unlike your good self, who still hasn´t answered the question
why do you think its so good?
and
who are you?
do you have an email address?
or do you want to continue using indymedia space to pursue this very silly personalised rant?
have you noted that no-one as of yet has said that they think the article is worth reading?
have you noticed that even you haven´t linked to the other articles by your friend and apparant mentor Mr More? though I did suggest so did I not?
why not more More?
and have you looked for the evidence yet?
´coz then I´ll give you more even creepier clues?
or are you not playing the game?
"fascist watcher"?

by iosaf (playing the game) Tue Nov 12, 2002 13:36

by saying ·fax your id. details you are pursuing agent provacateurist tactics which could implicate you in a criminal investigation.
Let me understand do you really expect me to provide details that will faciliate you in breach of EU privacy law a link to which has been provided on this website in the last 250 hours?
I am iosaf. can´t prove it, just am iosaf.
I´m not daithi I´m not an editor.
and I don´t crosspost, and I don´t claim to be God like dave/hank, and I don´t generally use the word "fuck".

by Blsst . ers on my fingers Tue Nov 12, 2002 13:49

And yes Iosaf I gave y'r RTS note to a cop on the friendly rts - something to do with the pope I recall -

Disinformation:
The relatively new concept of disinformation was recently imported from Russia, along with a number of other inventions useful in the running of modern states. It is openly employed by particular powers, or, consequently, by people who hold fragments of economic or political authority, in order to maintain what is established; and always in a counter-offensive role. Whatever can oppose a single official truth must necessarily be disinformation emanating from hostile or at least rival powers, and would have been intentionally and malevolently falsified. Disinformation would not be simple negation of a fact which suits the authorities, or the simple affirmation of a fact which does not suit them: that is called psychosis. Unlike the straightforward lie, disinformation must inevitably contain a degree of truth but one deliberately manipulated by an artful enemy. That is what makes it so attractive to the defenders of the dominant society. The power which speaks of disinformation does not believe itself to be absolutely faultless, but knows that it can attribute to any precise criticism the excessive insignificance which characterizes disinformation; with the result that it will never have to admit to any particular fault.

In essence, disinformation would be a travesty of the truth. Whoever disseminates it is culpable, whoever believes it is stupid. But who precisely would this artful enemy be? In this case, it cannot be terrorism, which is in no danger of 'disinforming' anyone, since it is charged with ontologically representing the grossest and least acceptable error. Thanks to its etymology and to present memories of those limited confrontations which around mid-century briefly opposed East and West, concentrated spectacle and diffuse spectacle, the capitalism of today's integrated spectacle still pretends to believe that the capitalism of bureaucratic totalitarianism -- sometimes even presented as the terrorists' base camp or inspiration -- remains its fundamental enemy, despite the innumerable proofs of their profound alliance and solidarity. But actually all established powers, despite certain genuine local rivalries, and without ever wanting to spell it out, never forget what one of the rare German internationalists after the outbreak of the First World War managed to recall (on the side of subversion and without any great immediate success): "The main enemy is within." In the end, disinformation is the equivalent of what was represented in the nineteenth-century language of social war as 'dangerous passions.' It is all that is obscure and threatens to oppose the unprecedented happiness which we know this society offers to those who trust it, a happiness which greatly outweighs various insignificant risks and disappointments. And everyone who sees this happiness in the spectacle agrees that we should not grumble about its price; everyone else is a disinformer.

The other advantage derived from denouncing a particular instance of disinformation in this way is that it wards off any suspicion that the spectacle's global language might contain the same thing. With the most scientific assurance, the spectacle can identify the only place where disinformation could be found: in anything which can be said that might displease it.

It is doubtless by mistake -- unless it be a deliberate decoy -- that a project was recently set in motion in France to place a kind of official label on some parts of the media guaranteeing them 'free from disinformation.' This wounded certain media professionals, who still believe, or more modestly would still like it to be believed, that until now they had not actually been subject to censorship. But the concept of disinformation must never be used defensively, still less as part of a static defense, building a Great Wall or Maginot Line around an area supposedly out of bounds to disinformation. There must be disinformation, and it must be something fluid and potentially ubiquitous. Where the language of the spectacle is not under attack it would be foolish to defend it, and the concept would wear out very fast indeed if one were to try to defend it against all the evidence on points which ought on the contrary to be kept from public view. Moreover the authorities have no real need to guarantee that any particular information does not contain disinformation. Nor have they the means to do so: they are not respected to that extent, and would only draw down suspicion on the information concerned. The concept of disinformation is only valid for counter-attack. It must be kept in reserve, then rapidly thrown into the fray to drive back any truth which has managed to get through.

If occasionally a kind of unregulated disinformation threatens to appear, in the service of particular interests temporarily in conflict, and threatens to be believed, getting out of control and thus clashing with the concerted work of a less irresponsible disinformation, there is no reason to fear that the former involves other manipulators who are more subtle or more skilled: it is simply because disinformation now spreads in a world where there is no room for verification.

The confusionist concept of disinformation is pushed into the limelight immediately to refute, by its very name, any criticism that has failed to eliminate the diverse agencies of the organization of silence. For example it could one day be said, should this seem desirable, that this text was an attempt to disinform about the spectacle; or indeed, since it is the same thing, that it was a piece of disinformation harmful to democracy.

Contrary to its spectacular definition, the practice of disinformation can only serve the state here and now, under its direct command, or at the initiative of those who uphold the same values. Disinformation is actually inherent in all existing information; and indeed is its main characteristic. It is only named where passivity must be maintained by intimidation. Where disinformation is named it does not exist Where it exists, it is not named.

Debord

by iosaf = o as if - lunatic fringe Tue Nov 12, 2002 15:22

which is why I proudly belong to the lunatic fringe.
Thankyou Blisset for reminding us of the psyop techniques of disinformation and giving us a thumbnail sketch of agent provocateurist techniques.
I don´t believe the recent BBC series discussed those much.

"Fascist watcher" again...
who are you? [make up a name go on with an email]
why do you like More´s article?
and to return to one of my earlier comments "there were six people in the room"

did that mean 6 computers logged on?
or 6 character names posting articles or comments in the period of contention?
or 6 people in the room?

some indymedia sites let you know how many users (computers) are logged on, I visited cymru.indymedia that afternoon to read about the restarting of the welsh wombles. There were two declared users neither members, yet I am a member of cymru.indymedia, so I didn´t enter using my useridentity code.

hmmmm.

¿are you still playing the game?
I suggest contacting anti-fascist action they have a website and I´m sure they´ll advise you on how to wonder through fascist mole searching, agent provacateurism and indentity swapping/ anomynity issues.

I´m not really mad just slightly bonkers.

by Antifascist Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:04

...= the poster of the Tue, Nov 12 2002, 12:16pm spam item above.

by Antifascist Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:07

...="daithi"="greenpartymike" = "doris" etc - on and on with his pavlovian self-impersonation reflex.

I got nothing against transvestites - except when they are fucking idiots on the govt payroll.

"badman", go back to bed and fuck off.

by Antifascist Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:11

I don't give a fuck about your fucking identity - I already know you're a fucking whore sucking up to bush & blair.

You missed the point - the point being the sabotage of critical thinkers on IMC Ireland by taking them down from front-page visibility.

If I post an Adrian More's essay or anyone else's it's clearly because I agree with its content - only a dickhead like you wouldn't understand that.

Get cancer and die - no wait that's too long: fall off the cliff, you and your self-multiplied blowjobbers.

by Antifa Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:14

Again: nobody gives a fuck about you sucker or your fucking ID.
My point was and is none of your drivel proves who you are/who you are working for.

The real and only crime here is sucking bush's dick as you poodle do for a fistful of bucks.

And again: buzz off and die.

by Antifa Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:19

One long rambling beast of a post.

A perfect example of disinformation device: spam non sensical drivel to divert readers' focus from the subject at issue - here, the suppression of critical thinkers like Adrian More by fucking fascist moles planted in IMC Ireland to sabotage or smear anti-govt thinkers 24/7 on bush's & blair's payroll.

Let's sum it all up once more: "daithi"="iosaf"="greenpartymike"="blsst.ers on my fingers"= and so on and so forth with the monikers of these poodles of state terrorists.

by Antifa Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:27

Over and over: noone gives a shit about you so fuck off.

None of your endless drivel constitutes any evidence of who you and your monikers are - and besides we don't give a fuck.

Again and over again: the only issue here is the destruction of front-page visibility for Adrian More's anti-govt essay "Have A Last Stroke & Die (Nov.5, 2002 version)" by fucking fascist moles on IMC Ireland - whom josafascist has already spent hours and precious chunks of wire time/space to support.

This proves our little sucker iosafascist to be a (govern)mental masturbator and plant.

Who else would have such a keen interest and also much time on his hands to spam anti-govt thinkers on a left-wing site.

iosafuck off. Amen.

by Antifa Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:29

...and by the way, iosafascist: you still haven't replied as to why you and your alter ego "daithi" called Adrian More's "Have A Last Stroke & Die (Nov.5, 2002 version)" "rambley" and Adrian More a "spammer".

Please respond.
Or fuck off.

by pat c Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:28

the inquiry re doris & christine was not to test yr identity. they mvd 2 barcelona. wondered if u had bumped into them.

by iosaf Wed Nov 13, 2002 13:56

have not answered my questions.
1. indentity / mail
2. why do u like the piece
3. links to the other articles.
I am part of an anarchist collective with 24/7 internet access we build the thing.
If you played the game and looked at the other post for RTS you will see a comment of 10 October referring to Sweden as back-up. You will see a comment from Pandabear yesterday saying "swededn failed to be backup on 23rd of October" if you go to indymedia for 24th of October you will see the issue being reffered to,
cover up, disinformation on Moscow.
You will then see that I was invloved in the info-stream for that event.
On sucking upto Bush and Cheney, I won´t even grace that with a reply, I proved my indentity to the Spanish national police after Barcelona´s last pro-Palestine march for carrying the Iraqi flag. More´s post has recieved links from me, and I say it is rambley, because it is. IT rambles through Cheney´s speeches, similar things have been done by the Democrats and their thinktanks, if you had made an email to contact me, I would have sent you that supporting information.
The war against Iraq shall be engineered by more than Cheney´s speeches. There are many interesting anomolies highlighted in More´s work on the lies from the White House and Pentagon, but to say "hey look they are lying" is hardly novel. Why are they lying?
and also to presume that they are the only to lie is immature.
If you had contacted me I would have furnished you with the French and Jordanian analyis of the situation, which is slightly different.
This space is becoming one to slag me off, ok, I quite enjoy this, I´ll happily come back to it for years, but now you are also detracting from your own stated aim " to highlight a critical thinker", you have posted the article as a comment the editors have removed it. Why didn´t you post a link? like I did? if you have More´s email and he is a friend then why not bring him in to the loop? what is his email? where are his other articles? or is it that you have a problem with sourcing articles?
Now in the interest of activism i suggest you rewrite More´s piece analysing it saying why you like it, I see no reason why that would be edited off the newswire, and this is the second time I´ve suggested you do so. I also suggest this as you seem to incur expense for your interent access. I don´t want to sap the € energy of such a good activist. Nothing more can be said, you haven´t admitted to taking the simple steps to validating my identity or checking my "credentials" which is a pity for you, if you really are "anti-fascist" and not an agent provacateur you might benefit from friendly co-operation between the collectives I belong to and the intelligence we have.
If you are an agent provacatuer or a fascist "watching" then you´re getting out of your depth as well aren´t you? Taking down iosaf before an invasion of Iraq will hardly serve the purpose of NWO will it? nor shall taking down or highlighting More. You see my daily companion of five days, you are just using indymedia ireland to say ..........."I don´t like iosaf"
.................."I suspect iosaf´s motives"
.................."iosaf has pissed me off before"
.................."I don´t like editorial policy"
.................."I don´t like the regular readers and commentators on indymedia ireland"

well at this stage you too are a very regular reader and commentator, and this game is getting sillier and sillier.

Daithi is not my alter-ego nor is Daithi one of my user names, I have broken with a tradition of anomynity to declare my usernames, but those who know my work know that I first did so in 2000 when I issued the reclaim the Genome manifesto, I said "it is now time for some of us to remove our masks and change the nature of our struggle".
So I did.
Now if you are "anti-fascist", then go be so. There are watchers everywhere and all the time.
You are giving a lot of very interesting information about yourself and your psychological weaknesses and your ineffectiveness as a campaigner and thinker and user of indymedia to those watchers. But don´t worry about it, if you were so terribly important you would have been killed long ago.
I thought the piece was rambley because when it was posted I could not read it through completely without thinking "hey wait a moment, is this link relavent or taken out of context, is this intersting article a disinformative ruse".
I then left my original comment.
Green party mike commented on Mc donalds so did I.
so you attacked him.
Daithi did the editing so naturally you attacked him.
DAVE/hank posted a spam did you attack him?
and who else posted that morning?
did you attack them?
no of course because anti-fascist thought they were beyond reproach.
so I got fuck you, I got fuck you because I´ve been working on something else, and realised immediately where this umpteenth argument was going to go and its longer term effects on both our qualities as activists in the Irish arena.
If you had argued in a "more private way" by sending me nad my tech support group an email, then I would have given you lots of interesting info, and maybe even disinfo.
I might even have taken up a collection amongst "auterem el guerra contra Iraq" in Barcelona to pay your email / telecom account.

Pat, my old sparring partner who can always be relied on to remind us of the Irish side of world events and history, some one whose comments I have enjoyed reading (particularly Nov 5) when we both raced to answer the post itself a quote from the infoshop.org website link to "the daily bleed" (have you gone Pat?... and I haven´t met Doris/Christine I hope they´re not teaching english loads of problems in that sector here at the moment) could also be thought to be an alter-ego as our comments have complemented each others may times. but your logic is emotionally flawed, no problem you´re not a trained thinker obviously, no matter your enthusiasm is wonderful, and your paranoia a bit forced. I look forward to you reading your post linking the other articles, and your post explaining the More article. Meanwhile as promised I have replied, in to More in the appropriate place. which wasn´t indymedia Ireland coz its been deleted here.
(and just for old times sake I´d like to say fuck you again). But I don´t really mean it.
:-)

by iosaf Wed Nov 13, 2002 22:38

has sent a big envelope concerning the "adrian more/ mole" issue to the appropriate place in reply to these allegations of lies and inconsistencies in Cheney´s speeches.
I am thus awaiting the reply of Iveagh house and the Irish minster of foreign affairs as well as the Irish minster of defence any day.
I shall of course share that reply with everyone in the spirit of free info.
(old times sake, very much enjoying the game...fuck you :-)

by Antifa Thu Nov 14, 2002 10:40

fuck off and die bushiite assmoles.

by iosaf Thu Nov 14, 2002 15:49

we the fine inhabitants of Barcelona saw a wonderful art action game called
SKIN.
it comprised a photobooth where the public could phtograph themselves and later the images were montaged in the entrance hall.
Lots of nudity and bits. Catalans love dropping their pants and showing their ass-moles.
A small but effective art action collective thought to take advantage of a thread in the Doonsbury cartoon, which was taking the piss out of G. W. Bush´s alledged tattoo on his arse (aledgedly received as part of an initiation rite at a fraternity society [kappa alpha pi].
That small but effective art action collective put the three letters on their arses and went in to the photobooth to record their thoughts on Bush.
I seem to remember the statement afterwards released by the small but effective art action collective was (translated into english for your continuing ilumination)
"hey look I´ve got Kappa Alpha Pi on my mother fucking ass as well".
would a photograph of my arse satisfy your continuing doubts as to my identity?
I´m beginning to feel ready to say I like you by the way, and always have, your contributions to 21st century activism will not go unrewarded I´m sure.
kisses and hugs. do you have any tattoos on your arse?
:-)

by iosaf Thu Nov 14, 2002 15:56

you can navigate back to other events in the past and the schedule for the future.
I particularly recommend considering the work by my friend on FEZ a documentary on contemporary maghrebi life and poverty, and the exhibition on Albania.
I believe there are a few little titbits on "Reclaim the streets!" as well, seemingly that group have a certain profile in Barcelona though I never see any of them, must be burrowing underground or something.
love you yes
love you yes
love you love you yes I do.

isn´t this game grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat?
and how does it feel to be manipulated by someone on Capitol hill? you silly little anti-fascist, you realy should be more careful with articles you automatically think are good, some very clever people often make them seem good just for the likes of you.

by i psi phi 23 - 23 Thu Nov 14, 2002 18:02

"Get cancer and die - no wait that's too long: fall off the cliff, you and your self-multiplied blowjobbers".

hmmm

I did actually have lymphatic test earlier this year under free Catalan health social security address 23 codols 08002.
now why did u through that cancer comment?
as u might know previous health care records with
Rt Hon Marsden OBE.
on paper as it happens.

hmmm

this game will go on and on and on, do you know yet what sinister cabal of interests you´ve settled down to play with?

hmmm

or would the cancer jibe be indicative of your level of "humanitarian concern", interestingly enough Saddam Hussein also had lymphatic cancer tests,

hmmm

you agree with More = you agree with another very sinister shadowey cabal of interests.

hmmm

when i say fuck you it means I LOVE YOU LOTS.

by daily mole more Fri Nov 15, 2002 13:03

choose players? not always.
choose method chance/defined rules?
choose board / court / pitch.
for example of you play cards you may ensure that all the cards are in the deck.
this game is about editing / censorship on indymedia. and how bad iosaf is.
it´s also a space so I can write shite everyday.
More=Mole=adrian?
nice one.
now all teh cards aren´t on the deck because many of the comments are not visible.
yet counted. is that a "flaw" in the software?
hmmmm.
no it isn´t a flaw.
the software has few flaws at desktop level.
it sits on a hardy and effective kernel of good workmanship even though that though is not very very old.
today I´m feeling quite good, and not even up to saying love or fuck, game theory and play are extremely important you know.
I love playing games, but never play for example chess unless I can see checkmate, so ponder the tests for lymphatic cancer, mine are available online (if you know how to look for them) they are not obscured like the comments above one of which is a reposting of the Adrian More article, what about Mr Hussein´s test results?
are they obscured?

by 23 Fri Nov 15, 2002 13:10

http://sweden.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=574

Reached max number of files to search without stressing resources
It took 66 seconds to search 5001 files. (75.772727272727 files per second)

a tip:
always get rid of your weak cards in most card games early on if playing with six players or less.

a tip:

learn about the Las Vegas blackjack blacklist blackguards!

a kiss 4 ye

by Antifa Fri Nov 15, 2002 18:12

iosafascist troll: stick your disinformation drivel up your ass, mole.

Your life ain't worth living - so die, whore.

by 23 Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:44

do u mean LURVE with that fuck u?
coz I did.
LURVE U LURVE U.
have you ever found a single dis-information thread?
have you ever looked up at the moon and thought "what is the moon"
have you ever thought to yiself
"sure isn´t the whole worl in a state of chasis?"
i lurve you. fucky fucky.
:-)

by we continue Sat Nov 16, 2002 14:37

there are anarchists in prison illegally in Valencia.
there are 200 paperless migrants about to be evicted from a squat and then incarcerated / deported in Barcelona.
There are protesters imprisoned in Italy.

and some silly asshole in Ireland thinks a "democrat thinktank based article" will stop US agression.

If you´re a european then you have priorities.
analysing the speeches of Cheney isn´t one of them.
you might as well anaylise the speeches of Kissenger.
that is the "work" of academics who "measure" their toil in yards upon a bookshelf.

¿where is the solidarity of Irish protesters and "anarchists" with those who actually "live" and "do" and "practise" their beliefs?

coz at times it seems you are all soft little cowards on a fringe island whose homeless have left for London for generations.
coz at times it seems you are incapable of even agreeing for a month on tactics or campaigns.
coz at times it seems you are only interested in begrudgery and slagging each other off.

for the majority of anarchists and socialists and greens Ireland is a crypto-fascists state, lost in its inability to even recognise its own anglo-american satelite status.

you don´t even understand the process of EU € allocation, so we thought never to go there, never to return. gigging Dublin seemed as clever as gigging the Vatican.
reclaim the streets of Dublin?
oh yeh.
then what next?
great revolution you have there "fascist watcher" where even your language is flawed, and you changed your name to suit me?
and you didn´t say a thing when your re-posting of the article was removed.
you really had no idea.

by € Sat Nov 16, 2002 14:41

analysis of that linguistically?

by Antifa Sat Nov 16, 2002 17:46

Stick your diversionary disinformation drivel you know where, dumbo.

by iosaf Sun Nov 17, 2002 14:57

yesterday people attacked in BCN on the street for demo in sympathy with Firenze and Valencia.
c/f
http://www.alasbarricadas.org/modules.php?name=Articulos
or indymedia BCN
this afternoon
10,000 parents, teachers, educationalists and children march to stop privitisation of education and right wing attacks on "free education".
included anarchists, socialists, okupes and greens.

Today the police didn´t attack us.
still held guns.
made me think of Ireland as buachaill.

I spoke to a marxist newspaper seller about transantional attacks on free education.
I upload the interview to a website, and later go to Ireland indymedia to see what my countrymen and women are doing @ home.
and to recieve the daily "fuck you" abuse from antifascist watcher.
and now I´m going to take part in the vigil for the two detainees from yesterday´s demo.
tonight another benefit in an okup

by seosaimhy iosaf ~o @$ if Sun Nov 17, 2002 19:26

so i´m putting in my own special iosaf is a fucker article comment thread.
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=17702&start=0&sid=77833

the response of certain techno-tweedy gaelgoirs:
by techo-gobshite-anarkist ~Io$@F - the lovely lad. Sun, Nov 17 2002, 6:12pm

to the question "new words":

Bagh Gearrachaí! Is breá an píosa Gaoluinne é -- an té a thuigfeadh é. Aistriúchán ar an Internationale an ea?
(

Scríobh Tomás Ó Criomhthain:
> Is deacair é a tionntú mar tá roinnt botún
> ann. Pé scéal é ba leasc liom a leithéid
> d'amhrán ba chúis leis na milliúin bás agus
> éirleach agus slad a thionntú go teanga shíoch mar
> an Ghaoluinn.

there u go
the techno-tweedy-gaelgoirs are online as much the techno-gobshite anarkists.
¿tis a great world we have isn´t it?
1,000,000,000 servers online.
2,000,000,000 people estimated by the World Bank as having computer access.
Microsoft trying to license everyone of the operations made on the internet.
And good auld Torvald Linux giving it all to us for free.
now you don´t need a computer to speak Gaeilge, sing the internationale or be an anarkist, but it gives you something to do when you stop smoking three grammes of heroin a day.
not that any of the techno-tweedy-gaelgoirs would ever do that, or the techno-gobshite anarkists.

but as for Torvald Linux, well the rumours....

related link: beo.ie

There you go that´s where I´m at this evening.

i really appreciate "fascist watcher" who became "anti fascist" giving me this space where I feel I can legitamtly embarass my parents and add little biographical details day by day. It´s great, becuase there is really so much paranoia about. If they´re going to come and smash down your door, they do.
If you are important enough to be dead, well they pop one in the back of your head end of story.

And that´s really what FASCISM is about.
some of us don´t like it.
we come here and write things, thinking speaking to the converted will help change the world.
well it very rarely does.
the evil that is done is done by evil souls still.
we might try and make our own lives better and those around us, (but sure tis Sunday ~~~~~~as he gets preachy)
Now if you get to my age, chances are you´ve missed a few of the chances to turn it all around.
You´re painted into that corner, you´ve jumped on the bandwagon, and you get on with it.
There are a lot of us on the bandwagon.
now don´t lets start thinking a million people walking on the streets are those on the bandwaon coz they´re not.
Ask Eoin Dubski how many of the million on the streets have bought him a drink or said cool for u. coz that´s not how it goes.
No if you go down, you generally go down silently, like a shooting star.
and that is the peace at the heart of War.
now I´ll leave you all in OIRLAND for tonight, and go write something serious for the italians in good italian with my cute editorial asistant by my side, and come back later this week to answer "fascist hater" saying I´m a disinforming asshole lover of Bush, fascist bastard.
and I´ll answer coz well I don´t really give a fuck anymore.
I more than know my name is on the list.
and that´s that.
have a lovely week I´ll be with ye a lot less.
and say a prayer for all those people who haven´t been given computers yet, hope they get mediciens instead (that´s my really cute (she´s gorgeous) editorial assistant speaking),.
kisses
CIAO IOSAF
that´s an anagram for
O CIA O as IF
not one of my best.
but there you go.

by Antifa Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:15

...=idiots=publo=x=pat c=aidan=badman=red star rising=doris=ray=ray-gun=blisst.ers on my fingers=i psi phi 23=daily mole more=we continue=Blairing troll/mole.

Yeah that sums it all up nicely.
The Blairing Bushiite thugs are gettin' awfully nervous about Adrian More.
Anyway - fuck them all.

by iosaf = o as if = ipsiphi23 = ignatius the indignant = € Mon Nov 18, 2002 13:15

there are lots of writers the Bushites are getting nervous of.
One is imprisoned his name is Mumia.
he was imprisoned as a result of his activity with the Black Panthers and anarcho-syndicalism throughout the 1960s 1970s
It was Reagan who changed the "constitutional right to bear arms" and it was Bush 1 who stood on the platform with him when that speech was made.
The Bush "monsters" are well researched.
Blair is a peculiar and very slippy modern innovation of the British ruling classes.
But Mr More fan, I´m beginning to feel ready to agree (before would not have been wise) with some of your assertions.
Help us all out, where are the other More articles?
and have you given thought to Saddam Hussein´s health records?
and neither of the Irish governmental departments have so far replied.
and only 60% of More´s allegations in the article have been sourced properly, he cast his sources very wide and often construing context.

in as much as all your favourite writers being equal on indymedia Ireland maybe so.
we are as guilty of association and thought crime as Mr More.
though freedom of association is supposed to be European human right.
hmmm.
oh yeh thank you for not saying the "F" word to me today, I´ve got a terrible headache.

by himself Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:33

gaming expressions and the rest.
offering odds.
gosh they do copy the boy don´t they?
now do you suppose they have any idea about synchronicity and "fortean" mathematical formualae?
well I reckon they do.
Oil is going to the bottom of the sea, my squatmate went home to France to clean the beaches after the last spill. Cool Mr O´as-if he said money, I can get my life together.
He´s waiting on the lawyers.
The French gov. left him wondering will he die of cancer, for oil no-one wanted to say was theirs.
strange world is´it not.
waiting on the lawyers.
Now I don´t want any awards for either being contrary or a left. Coz I bring ye all together in your green, black, red, white strands.
alittle bit of fenianism there.
a litle bit of bolshevikism there.
Il Professore was a dude. and he did influence many, and his students know that anarchists/militants today are shaping the 21century. A 95 year old lwa prof statesmen knew his muppets from his hooligans, his wombles from his disobedients.
a little bit of anarky!
cos u need your own place to raise funds.
u need € for food, agitprop and internet.
a little bit of greenishness.
the dolphins are well fucked off.
a little bit of forteania, well I am listed with the Irish social services as being a "demonologist" so I suppose I´m qualified to sup with the devil.
and what else do you need?
the elf.
don´t forget that!
so if my nobel prize which is coming in, don´t worry, is awarded psothumously, all the weirder, it shall mean even more careful consideration of the text (going backwards going sidewards going into our heads).
by the way this week pandabear logged the 250,000 word from ispiphi in Irish webspace.
some of you have very nice websites by the way.
the evolving revolution is safe.
and we have the slogans copyrighted so if you ever really piss us off we´ll sue you for using the words of future nobel prize winner Mr O´ as-if, aka iosaf mac diarmada.
Prague is starting very very soon.
send them good thoughts.
and the dolphins.

by i psi phi Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:48

that´s why the swedish royal academy will award him the Nobel for Literature.
I´ve only been with ye for 5 months.
I was out of Eire for 7 years.
hmmm.
and lots of languages.
and oooooooooo pandabear.
hmmm.
games.
and a demonlogist as well?
jaysus.
he´d be a great man at a party they say.

by iosaf=o as if = ipsiphi=23=€ Thu Nov 21, 2002 16:54

I´m taking time out from walking around watching them watching me. we have fifty units of armed police outside the windows with sirens blaring and the usual shite.
so here u go Eire. lovely does it.
back in the days when Aileen was shouting SPUC off Andrew Flood used to hold her hand.
Ivana had blonde hair. Mags was off in D4, and Pat C. was reading up on the workers struggle. Sinn Fein were fomenting entry into Dail Eirinn in Parnell SQ, the Socialist party was a dream, the greens were still a "anarcho" collective, and the SWM relied heavily on Eamonn MC Cann´s working class humour, when he be coaxed out his fine Rathgar home, lovely book collection there Eamonn.
so who was it that wrote all those nasty comments above about iosaf?
the worst of which are edited off the visible files.
Well time to say I knew all along.
But games are games, and I am and always was a master, so now the identity is being remembered the guy who scammed his way out of apying fees into TCD, then dropped out. the guy who spoke about temporal anomalities, squatting Balymun towers Alisteir Crowley and hung out getting pissed with Paul Hill on Leeson Street.
Now loads of years later, the material proof documetation you needed was in your phone bills. I do hope you kept them. You will find you phoned me on five seperate occasions between 1989 and 1990, not me but one of my flatmates.
under your feet, as I love to say.
you distracted me from my work with this shite, which I admit I had not expected at that stage, I had allowed for such an attack but in the month before, you were, are and always will be a little bit slow.
go mall.
Now I´m going to post a link to sattelite photos of the oilspill and comment elsewhere.
Get to grips with the cryptics and start trying to stop being lazy, smug and self-satisified.
love you yes I do.
and then in a few moments, I´ll leave the motherboard and go back to the police, coz they´re missing me.
oh did anyone consider the martian meteorite shower?
no-one scams their way into TCD then drops out and pops up several years later in RTS then with a passport name being an anagram for If Osama mad IRA cad, unless they´re very mad and very bad.
there never was genius without madness.
so I´m your friend.
aint that good for ye.
lovely phone bills.
panda says hi.

by ºªS IF = IºSªF Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:48

memories of a highschool party rolling joints on a funny man´s marxist book collection (fine parent away on holidays).
Doth Mr Oásif forget Derry?
no i wouldn´t do that.
I´ve never been to Derry,
but Derry is Ireland.
and Irish genius proceeded from Derry and shall always so I reckon anyway.

by Antifa Thu Nov 28, 2002 18:28

...how much does blair pay you for smearing your aztec 2 step all over IMC?

by iosaf Thu Jan 23, 2003 14:10

great chat was had.
basically it was fuck off or you go to hell.
i took Barcelona.