Reasons to hate the Sparts. Add your reasons.

by Ray Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:43

This is a radical, accurate, and passionate telling of the truth?

by mal Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:43

this site is suppossed to be about news and whats going on in ireland and the world. War is brewing, and there is a national stoppage tomorrow, so while you are unhappy about the sparts, don't worry about them! they are marginal here and due to their style they will remain so. relax.

by Sinead B Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:56

All they do is critise other groups. They are totally unconstructive and in my opinion they are a cult.

Could someone answer these following questions.
1. Why do they wear backpacks all the time?
2. Why the strange accents
3. Why do they even bother to hassle ordinary members of the public?
4. Why dont they just go back under the rock they climbed out of.

by Liam Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:05

OK so this is how Indymedia works (or at least how some are hijacking the idea)

Monday: Bash the SWP day
Tuesday: Bash Sinn Fein
Wednesday: Bash the Socialist Party
Thursday: Bash the Workers' Party
Friday: Bash the Sparts and others
Saturday: Bash Students, trade unionists etc
Sunday: Bash yourself (in the privacy of your own bedroom)

Why don't they bash Fianna Fail, FG, Labour, the PDs and the other establishment parties and elements?

by Rt. hon. J Tweedle-dumb-hmm - Reclaim the Streets! Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:46 0044 79 79 324 324

and I´ve been known to carry a backpack.
I don´t speak much you know when out on the street, the "ordinary members" of the public (which incidently Reclaim the Streets! don´t believe exist)
= [we long ago proved in our petrie-dishes thanks to Panda Bear that everyone whether they knew or not was a Zapatista.]
= [then we went on to prove that everyone was Marcus= which certainly put the wind up the CIA!!]

I carry a backpack when out and about for my gasmask and woolyhat, spraycan and agit-propaganda. That way I can be a womble whenever I want.

O as if suggests that the Sparts (who don´t like being called dudes) carry backpacks im memory of Trotsky, its a sumbolic protection against being ice-picked in the back apparantly.

And when can we have a pick on us day?
Or was that only in the 20th century before we came along and showed all the rest of ye how to do it properly.

c/f comment on anti-war demo photo, which Pnda Bear should have placed by now....

by o as if = iosaf Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:58

the CIA decide how much money there is
money is silly
the CIA are silly
everyone thanks to years of hollywood propaganda knows how to be CIA.
and thanks to our great activism
and ignorance of commas
the CIA are on our side.
CIAO IOSAF
whats that an anagram for?

by Paul Tree Thu Oct 03, 2002 13:19

But when exactly did you show everyone else how to do it? and what is it? Have a party? I was having parties in school, uni and work? What are you talking about?

by definition Thu Oct 03, 2002 14:39

What on earth are sparts?

at least be clear about what you are on about - use the correct terms and not slang you twit!

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Thu Oct 03, 2002 14:50 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

I would have thought most people were aware Sparts was shorthand for Spartacist League. Just like we have Shinners, Swimmies, Millies, Sticks, Erps etc. Oddly I don't think anyone has come up with a shorthand for the WSM......

by Daithi Thu Oct 03, 2002 14:53

Hey, what's an Erp?

by silo Thu Oct 03, 2002 15:00

'Sparts' are spartacists, a group founded (if memory serves) in Germany between the world wars.

The party line (literally) is that they are internationalist communists, i.e. Trotskyists.

They differ from Leninists because Leninists build parties and 'vanguards' and the like on a country-by-country basis whereas Spartacists/Trotskyists are internationalist. A bit of an obscure difference, but as far as I'm aware that's it.

Both Leninists (e.g. the SWP) and Trotskyists can suffer from bouts of delusion, convinced as they are that not only is a revolution eternally imminent, but that the workers want nothing more than to be led by a 'vanguard'. As a result, tiny differences between the two can become blown out of all proportion due to their implications down the line if one accepts this logic. This results in the sort of nitpicking evident here for example.

On an interesting side note, the Spartacists are in favour of defending the 'remaining worker's states'; so you have to be in favour of the wonderful worker's paradises of North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and China to join the gang.

by silo Thu Oct 03, 2002 15:02

sorry, my link got cut.

http://www.marxist.com/TUT/TUT7-2.html

as example of unreadable I'm-a-trotskyist-you're-a-leninist slabs of text.

by pat Thu Oct 03, 2002 15:13

how about changing sunday to bash anarchists & libertarian socialists day?

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Thu Oct 03, 2002 15:20 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

An Erp is a member of the Irish Republican Socialist Party. Founded by Seamus Costello out of the old 'Official' IRA in the mid-70s. Costello also founded the INLA about the same time. Costello said a lot of very interesting things and was a genuine working class revolutionary so of course, the Stickies shot him. After that the Erps never really recovered. There's still a few about Dublin and you can get their newspaper, Starry Plough if you look hard enough.

by Mags Thu Oct 03, 2002 15:44

There is a Commemoration to mark the 25th anniversary of Seamus Costello's murder on this Sunday 6th October in Bray. It is at St Peter's Cemetary (on the right as you enter Bray) at 2.30pm and there is a social event afterwards.

The commemoration is organised by the Seamus Costello Memorial Committee and one of the speakers in Tony Gregory (there are a couple more too, names escape me at present).

The Seamus Costello Memorial Committee consists of republicans and socialist, community workers, etc. from Wicklow area. Anyone interested is welcome to attend.

by Mags Thu Oct 03, 2002 15:45

There is a Commemoration to mark the 25th anniversary of Seamus Costello's murder on this Sunday 6th October in Bray. It is at St Peter's Cemetary (on the right as you enter Bray) at 2.30pm and there is a social event afterwards.

The commemoration is organised by the Seamus Costello Memorial Committee and one of the speakers in Tony Gregory (there are a couple more too, names escape me at present).

The Seamus Costello Memorial Committee consists of republicans and socialist, community workers, etc. from Wicklow area. Anyone interested is welcome to attend.

by the truth is - noitasinagro Thu Oct 03, 2002 18:25

11.there not as brainwashed as the swp
12.they have more of a sense of humor than the swp
13.theres more of a chance of a spart than a swper gettin elected to the "reformist capitalist parlament"
14.they have less cover groups than the swp minus the amount of cover groups the sp has
15.they are more progressive than the swp

by iosaf = o as if - reclaim the streets & genome Thu Oct 03, 2002 19:25 iosaf at email dot com barcelona

now we all know the state of education these days, but as we have pointed out again and again REclaim the streets!
was never just about having a party on the streets.
It was about
http://www.reclaimthestreets.net

and well done in school.
were you discredited with causing more than 2,000,000,000$ damage to Capitalism?
were you and are you implicated in increased political awareness and motivation amongst a generation?
were you a household name?
were you
I could go on
but I´d be trolling.

by Ray Watch Fri Oct 04, 2002 09:37

as opposed to isms

by Joe Coyle Fri Oct 04, 2002 14:14

Actually the Spartacist League has nothing to do with Rosa Luxemburg's German Spartacusbund. The Spartacist League was founded as a split from the American SWP (nothing to do with the Irish/British version) in the 1960s. Their Irish organisation, mainly made up of Americans, is called Spartacist Group Ireland.

They are a Trotskyist organisation. In fact they are like a bad drawing of a Trotskist organisation.

Their main political activity consists of hassling other left wing groups. Amusingly they publish a bulletin called "Hate Trotskyism, Hate the Spartacist League" which contains polemics made by other tiny splinter groups against them.

by Mags Fri Oct 04, 2002 17:36

A Spartoid accosted me on the anti-war march last week. I don't mind people asking me to buy their publications and if the journal is not too embarrasing to be seen with I will usually purchase it.

Anyhow this Spart approaches at speed and rudely thrusts his organ (fnarr, fnarr) into my face while shouting 'Spartacist Ireland - Anti-Traveller Laws - Womens Right to Abortion, etc.'. I had to divert to go around the proferred magazine. Then I told him to 'Fuck Off'. Several times. He stared at me and then burst into a strange cackling laugh before moving on to the next victim. A friend also followed the same policy with a female of the species, with like effect.

This would appear to be a profitable and enjoyable method of dispelling the menace. At the risk of being called 'pro-capitalist', of course.

by 23 Mon Dec 09, 2002 14:13

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I was interested in this, as some INDYMEDIA sites suffer from particularly heavy censorship,
and I wondered if they where connected in any way.

WELL THEY ARE. All the sites that censor heavily are included in the following list
(but not all of them censor heavily).

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The main computer with the

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So lets hear it for R. Stallman, the champion of "free speech".

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