Wilders & HM Customs - Ryanair / Aer Lingus next?

by mike brown Sat Mar 20, 2010 13:29

The World Tribune has the full transcript of Geert Wilders electrifying speech to the House of Lords on its site: see below. Read the speech and you will see that, though Wilders may identify himself as a man of the right on many issues, he is by no means the sort of fascist monster some people are hyping him up to be .In fact in his speech Wilders made specific references to and quoted Winston Churchill who Wilders considers “the greatest prime minister Britain ever had “. I’m no fan of Wilders , but I do agree with him that the prophetic words of Churchill- a man who for all his faults did alert nineteen-thirties Europe to its “darkest hour” - should never be forgotten in a rush to appease those who would today tolerate an intolerant and inherently fanatical faith . Over a hundred years ago Churchill was spot on the ball when he wrote:

“Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

In the absence of any other left voice, I added a brief comment on the World Tribune site opposing the line currently being put out by right wingers which maintains that the left is somehow responsible for the rise of Islamo-fascism. Really folks, surely the left needs to start re-asserting itself on this core issue of Islamo-fascism; we shouldn’t allow the right wing to make all the running. Some say that in the light of the Islamic threats to democracy ,human rights and freedom we should re-examine nostalgic attachments to outdated notions of what is left wing and what is right wing altogether . I personally think that bends the stick a bit far in the direction of relativism, but it would certainly make interesting material for a healthy debate sometime in the future. In the meantime, here’s the comment I made to the WT site; hopefully others on the left will help take the issue forward.

“It's not fair to say that all the left have supported the Islamists. Groups like the left-leaning Hands Off the People of Iran, for instance, have done a lot of work in exposing the mullah regime in Iran - often making very similar points to Geert Wilders. If Europe is to stand up to the real threats to freedom that Mr. Wilders addresses so eloquently , we must surely unite left and right on this issue . Remember that during WW11 Churchill made alliances with the left to defeat the Nazi common enemy.”

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/eu_...5.asp

by iosaf Fri Mar 19, 2010 16:09

I'll take the time to reply to the last comment because I wrote this article & identified Geert Wilders as being far-right something for which I feel justified completely.

* Wilders heads a grouping which is not a political party but pretends to be. The PVV like the BNP until very recently has an organisational constitution which forbids membership from certain sections of Dutch society and its citizens As such religious or worship options are placed on a par with ethnic identities. Thus the PVV is prejudiced against Dutch muslims as well as migrants to the Netherlands.

* In January 2010, the report Polarisatie en radicalisering in Nederland (transl. "Polarisation and radicalisation in The Netherlands") by political researchers Moors, Lenke Balogh, Van Donselaar and De Graaff from the Tilburg University research group IVA http://www.iva.nl/Nieuwsartikelen/Polarisatie_en_radica....aspx stated that the PVV is not an extreme right wing party, but contained some radical right wing elements.

* reaction to the report in Dutch is available in English from the "Radio Netherlands Worldwide" on this page entitled "putting Wilders on the political map".

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/putting-geert-wilders...l-map

by normalguy Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:43

So opposition to fascism (of the Islamic variety) makes Wilders 'far right'? I might be correct to call Wilders far right if he held racist attitudes towards Arabs and used Islam as a fig leaf to attack them. But there is no evidence of that. Wilders opposes Islam for what he sees as its authoritarian teachings. He sees jihadism, repression of women and homosexuals and violent opposition to criticism of the religion not as the actions of a small group using religion as an excuse but as a problem coming from the religion itself. Put simply he opposes Islam, not Muslims or Arabs. It is funny, I see on sites such as Indymedia that criticism of religions such as Judaism and Christianity is accepted but any criticism of Islam is 'far right'!

by normalguy Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:43

So opposition to fascism (of the Islamic variety) makes Wilders 'far right'? I might be correct to call Wilders far right if he held racist attitudes towards Arabs and used Islam as a fig leaf to attack them. But there is no evidence of that. Wilders opposes Islam for what he sees as its authoritarian teachings. He sees jihadism, repression of women and homosexuals and violent opposition to criticism of the religion not as the actions of a small group using religion as an excuse but as a problem coming from the religion itself. Put simply he opposes Islam, not Muslims or Arabs. It is funny, I see on sites such as Indymedia that criticism of religions such as Judaism and Christianity is accepted but any criticism of Islam is 'far right'!

by potty trained Fri Feb 13, 2009 22:14

Entropa though as a scam really showed how little EU types look at art CV's. All the supposed artists not only came with fake names and projects but fake galleries where they had supposedly showed their previous award winning arse.

Doesn't it say a lot about a Czech artist´s ignorance that the clichéd stereotype he held up for ridicule of Ireland was a sheep skin bagpipe? Admittedly it ended up coloured like guinness and I suppose the pipes could be Corrib.

But then again you reckon it was an uillean pipe ?

where are the keys I ask you..,

I'm barred from the UK too. or rather I've got a long standing "handle with care order" which generally means full body cavity searching & you know that somehow gets the message across. Would you go into a pub where you were guaranteed a full body cavity search? Perhaps you would. & fair play to you in all diversity. But rest assured Mr Geert Wilder's party don't like your kind of fun even if their late Austrian peer & role model Heider had spent his last night of fun on such a premises.

still got a catholic funeral.

& state one to boot.

if the boot fits wriggle it.

by Henry Fri Feb 13, 2009 17:31

Wilder's movie documentary "Fitna" shows a collection of Muslim clerics who preach to European Muslims calling for jihad, death to the infidels, the imposition of sharia law, the overthrow of democracy, forced conversion to Islam, the oppression of women and homosexuals etc etc etc. The film is merely attempting to show the level of extremism, intolerance and hatred at the high levels in the Muslim world and its malign influence on Muslims worldwide and the Muslim extremists who follow through on this violent hatred.

Whether you are on the political left, centre or right, this movie shows that a minority of influential extremists have hijacked the Islamic religion. Islam has been hijacked as surely as if the KKK had taken over the Vatican.

The spineless treatment of Wilders who was put on a plane back to Holland after trying to enter a British airport shows the slave kow towing of a modern European democracy to religious fundamentalist fanatics.

What we witnessed at Drumcree when Mo Mowlam caved into the Orange Order is being repeated with even more implacable sectarian bigots by the current British government.

It is a sad day when calling a spade a spade is a crime.

by uillean Fri Feb 13, 2009 07:53

For all his way-2-the-right politics, I can't see how he was going to "incite" those 30 members of the house of lords to hate anything. And Entropa doesn't include england...