Tara protest at Barronstown cancelled.

by c murray - Tarawatch Fri Mar 10, 2006 19:47 dotliath at gmail dot com n/a 0877765289

Welcome tech contribution and info re sending out future photos from possible actions.No aspersions cast or meant.

by jk - Tarawatch maybe Fri Mar 10, 2006 19:18

yes, we sit on indymedia all day and criticise others, we love doing nothing and taking crap from IMC trolls.

For information regarding our comming fundraiser please see: http:// www.hilloftara.info.

by c murray - at home Fri Mar 10, 2006 13:13 n/a 0877765289

My name is chris murray. not Tarawatch, which is an organisation,
(dis-organisation if you prefer).Your name sounds like someone clearing their throat. I am posting a meeting for sunday evening re ;focussing the campaign on Barronstown. I hope to meet you there.

by Hmmm Fri Mar 10, 2006 08:42

'photos scanned and available for collection.'

Why not post the photos here? Why the paranoid refusal to share information? Is Tarawatch about watching the M3 getting built at Tara and doing nothing apart from criticising others?

by jk - Tarawatch or whatever Thu Mar 09, 2006 20:45

Terrence - I dont really think you have a right to criticise. You are clearly misinformed. Of course there is room for improvement, but I think you're just ranting for your own sense of involvment. You have the wonderful position of objectivity through inaction. Please keep it to yourself.

by c murray - at home Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:46 dotliath at gmail dot com n/a 0877765289

The conference at the RSAI is nothing to do with the Hill of Tara campaign.
It is linked because the RSAI have asked the three expert witnesses in the recent case to address the issues within their area of expertise.I asked for a deletion of the Hill of Tara link in the event notice. and added it as a comment, this you can check out.The Hill of Tara campaign is based on individual effort and not a group ethos. if anyone wants to discuss the issue or get updates on legal they can call a meeting, I wd welcome the iniative.re charging 30 euros , that is nothing whatever to do with the Tara campaign, but I assume it is to cover building costs and fees to the academics.

by Terence Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:28

I like many are very concerned about this stupid motorway through Tara when it could be so easily diverted, even though the motorway is not needed as a few bypasses would have done, but I think a few criticisms of the whole Tara campaign should be fleshed out in the open here.

First of all, it should have been quite clear that the holding or delaying action of the legal route in the Carrickmines case was not going to work for Tara. The government changed the law in their favour, that was as plain as day, so why did those milling around the various campaigns think it would work again when it was quite clear the government was steam-rolling the project through.

The other aspect of the campaign has been it's inordinate dependency on appealing to the mass media through letters to the papers and constant references to academics and various professors. It should have been quite clear from Carrickmines, that there appears to be not a single academic who will actually take any risk in terms of physically protesting although I know one or two have. Heck they instead resort to statements and letters to either obscure journals no-one outside the field reads or as above to letters to the newspapers, which because of the way they are written and presented are extremely unlikely to spur anyone into action. The bottom line is that the academics are employed by the state / universities and there is no way they are going to rock the boat in terms of job security. And for the case of those working for the NRA, it's even worse. The campaign quite clearly needed people who were not behoved to the government for their jobs and it needed to connect with the actual commuters who have been denied the various by-passes that were planned but never built.

It's incredible that though that after Carrickmines this almost blind faith in the liberal media and the legal system persisted. However I will give some acknowledgement to the fact that some effort had been made to contact with other groups at various events like grassroots (I think) and through Indymedia, but overall the heavy academic lets-not-do-anything that might embarass or get-anyone-in-trouble atmosphere persisted. It's hard to actually put your finger on the exact source of this, but I think many people sense it all the same.

I fear the worst. The whole thing is a kind of deja-vu from 30 years ago when the city council with generous help from the government (actually from Haughy at the time) destroyed forever the Wood Quay site.

I don't have any quick answers or solutions, but I think even at this late stage it is worth recognising the faults of the campaign. It's quite clear that those in power don't give 2 hoots about Tara and the public conscience has just not been sparked the way it should have been. It's strange that Tara is a lot to do with national identity and heritage and yet so many people are proud to be Irish, but yet the government and NRA et al managed to win out with their propaganda.

And lastly as is typical of this campaign so far, they go and have a seminar (RSAI in Merrion Sq 9th March http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74643 ) and charge 30 euros in! How on Earth do they expect to attract people that way. And will a group from the RSAI be heading to Tara immediately afterward? Highly unlikely. No the academics will go back to their offices and pen a new set of completely useless letters to the Irish Times.

by c murray - Tarawatch Thu Mar 09, 2006 08:31 dotliath at gmail dot com n/a 0877765289

as above, the photos are at my house. Bring a disc and copy them . My number is on the top of the article. I went for a walk and we took the shots on sunday. There is nothing preventing people from doing this. The site was open and partially excavated.I am bringing two kids to school , be back after 10.30am.

by Hmmm Thu Mar 09, 2006 08:21

'if one historian had called the media and brought them there to show them the artefacts lying openly on the ground'

Why did you not photograph it yourself? What is your problem? If you know something nobody else does, you do something about in stead of bitching.

by c murray - Tarawatch Thu Mar 09, 2006 07:31 dotliath at gmail dot com n/a 0877765289

I have reported the case. I had been there everyday. Y ou can see , at the top of this article , the list of contributions I made. I have a file of documentation from the court. Not typed up yet. Which is for my own files. I apologise for getting up your nose and I thank indy , but I do not apologise for feeling let down and angry by the lack of interest in this story. FYI, when I posted the protest, which had to be done 24 hours before because legal will be jumping on our ass. Not one contributor responded to it, when I cancel ,this storm breaks out. which would point out that
people are fond of attacking but not contributing. If it is up to every person to report
photograph and contribute in any way they can. I have done so.

by c murray - TaraWatch Thu Mar 09, 2006 07:01 dotliath at gmail dot com 087

There goes a perfect opportunity to answer questions on the implications of the Barronstown dig. I presume that the organisers thought I'd turn up at Merrion sqaure and embarass someone. The stuff is out there now. academically speaking if one member of the media had turned up at the RSAI and asked about
Barronstown it would have helped more than this 24 hour debacle.if one historian had called the media and brought them there to show them the artefacts lying openly on the ground it would help with consciousness raising.
The seminar was to take place in Dublin with a full list of academics. I removed the link from the event notice as I made it in error.
Muireann sorry about the clash. I stand by my judgement call on Barronstown.
The date was fixed because of the constant deferrals of the supreme court judgement in the Dunne case. It was unfortunate we clashed. I do not see the necessity of cancelling the seminar .

by M Ni Bhrolchain Thu Mar 09, 2006 00:11

This protest clashed with the one day seminar on Tara being held in the RSAI on Thursday as well. It was not the best time to organise such an event.

by Hmmm Thu Mar 09, 2006 00:00

Why didn't Tarawatch file reports? If you were there surely Tarawatch could explain in detail all? Surely Tarawatch could examine, explain and interpret all that has happened in relation to the case? Is there going to be a supreme court appeal for instance?

by R. Isible Wed Mar 08, 2006 23:58

no reporter from indy was there.

So where were you? If you're not "the reporter from indy" then who is?

by Christine Murray - Tarawatch Wed Mar 08, 2006 22:59 dotliath at gmail dot com n/a 0877765289

I will be there. I have been involved in the Tara campaign for some time
and welcome any support information or constructive argument about
Tara.As it stands, there are no legal protections for the landscape
and no conception of the complex as a whole, as a protected structure.
the contention that of the 38 sites excavated, none is a national monument
despite evidence to the contrary by the expert witnesses,means that in real terms
the landscape is at risk now.i have not witheld info . But moved to release it
despite legal advice. the letters are unscanned, unphotocopied and on my
desk. I have contacted three Tds, one of whom came back to me.The networks have been silent all day and at this time of the evening with no feedback
I had no option but to cancel. again, this information has been in the public domain.The case was covered by mainstream media. no reporter from indy
was there.Again, these issues of legislation and judicial process have been accessible throughout the process and it takes very little volition to access them.

by c murray - TaraWatch Wed Mar 08, 2006 22:38 dotliath at gmail dot com n/a 0877765289

No.

by Christine Murray - TaraWatch Wed Mar 08, 2006 22:35 dotliath at gmail dot com n/a 0877765289

apologies to Risible.will do it in the am.
re: deafening silence, I have tried as much as I can to follow the rules
to publish the information and to inform people through all the
reports on cases pending, ongoing and upcoming.
I am not a moderator, Having resigned, a secretary, or an editor.
I have gone out and tried to make a difference and it seems to no avail.
Re: dissemination of info. it is in the public domain, people are being screwed
by bad legislation, and yet the media masturbators who expect to be spoon-fed
are incapable of going out there and making a focussed protest.
re: info not out there, I put my own number on the wires this morning and no-one with techno savvy offered to help or pass on info.

You can access info through mainstream media, through blogspots, through the link at the end of this comment.

by anon Wed Mar 08, 2006 22:34

Did you cancel it because you could not get any presscore photographer out?

by risible - 1 of Indymedia Ireland Editorial Group Wed Mar 08, 2006 22:23 risible at indymedia dot ie

You have an event notice at:
1) http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74720

and also a "news" report at:
2) http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74711

It would be best if you would add your cancellation notice to the event notice #1 above so that no one goes along by mistake. It would also be best if you didn't post what is essentially a duplicate announcement of an event to the newswire and the events. It's getting close to spamming and creates unneeded extra work.

Thanks - R. Isible

by bemused Wed Mar 08, 2006 21:50

the reason there is no response is that you have burnt your boats with too many people despite huge public disquiet about tara. release the info, be inclusive and you may be lucky enough to have people work with you again. before your ego kills the campaign

by anon Wed Mar 08, 2006 21:40

Seeing as you only announced it yesterday?
And rather then saying we will not be issueing a statement about the court result because we want to digest the ruling properly first you put out a statement saying we are not going to talk about it and nobody else should either. Why ? We are not going to talk about it? What?
Whats going on?