Bloody Sunday Rally , Dublin .

by Tiarnan O Muilleoir - Socialist Youth Fri May 19, 2006 22:48 kick-out-the-jams at hotmail dot co dot uk

"they were crazy enough to let Denis Donaldson , Fred Scapittici , Tom Hartley and Mairtin O mulleoir in"

Máirtin O Muilleoir eh? It's always interesting to google your da's name and find he's being incriminated as an IRA informer.

My father is one of the most ardent Provisional Republicans I know. He served Sinn Féin as a councillour and was personal friends with many volunteers - if he's a tout then it's amazing how he's been treated like shit by the Orange machine for thirty years.Securocrats and Tabloid rags often attempt to spread dicontent and misinformation among republicans but I don't actually expect people to buy this BS

I would love to see some sources for these cowardly accusations against him and Tom Hartley

If you think you're hard for yapping online go get a life mate

by Sharon - Individual Fri Feb 24, 2006 09:52

You are welcome , Andi - we could be standing beside each other tomorrow and not know it !

But we will probably 'meet up' with each other , on this Forum , after the event . 'See' you then !

Sharon .

by andi Fri Feb 24, 2006 09:36 irishcailin18 at hotmail dot com

Thank you Sharon.... hopefully I'll make it there... finding all the comments, discussions and opinions really interesting!!!!

by Sharon - Individual Fri Feb 24, 2006 09:16

Andi -

More information on this subject can be found here -
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/73452&comment_limit=0&c...39389

Sharon .

by Andi Fri Feb 24, 2006 05:32 irishcailin18 at hotmail dot com

Ok... I have been living in England this last six months - am in university here... live in Monaghan... Just after realising about this Orange Parade in our capital?? Why is this allowed to happen may I ask?? Why are they allowed to march in our streets.. when students and other IRISH people are not permitted to busk in the streets during the summer for tourists and such???? I don't get it... they are chased off the street by the Gardaí like dogs.... and yet this upcoming protest is going ahead... and we're all expected to just let it pass by... accept it and learn to put up with it???
I'll tell you what... why don't the IRA go and march in the middle of Belfast city??? They might as well have the UVF marching in Dublin... that's how I feel about it.... Difference is we would never be able to have a 'peaceful' march in Belfast or have any such similar event in their country....
Can I have details on any protests against this on Saturday... as I am coming home for the weekend??

by Rinagaeilge Thu Feb 23, 2006 15:00

Get to the GPO at half eleven to protest! Be there or support sectarian impirealism!!!!

by rooster Mon Feb 13, 2006 22:54

surely you could'nt have forgotten about Trimbles power sharing disaster so soon?

by Anon Mon Feb 13, 2006 04:20

Because the answer is so obvious and has been said so often that people get tired of doing so - the unionists will never agree to a united Ireland irrespective of what anyone does. Ever. They will never share power. Ever.

by rooster Mon Feb 13, 2006 00:30

to johnny then?

by johnny the reb Sun Feb 12, 2006 00:51

question for johnny
by theboy
Please expand Johnny, as to to how this would make a 32 county republic less likely?

by Sean O'ceallaigh - The Brotherhood
i'd like to here what you mean to johnny? we are the Irish society today, i dont speek for everyone but most johnny ,maybe one day we will have utd ireland, but people like you wont stand up for your rights as an irish citizen

well, theboy, certain antics only serve to reinforce unionist fears, not to mention loyalist bigotry, and the more barriers there are against a 32 county Ireland
sean from the brotherhood I'm well aware of how to stand up for myself, thank-you for offering though, please explain how you speak for "most" Irish people, what is your mandate?

by hist2 Sat Feb 11, 2006 20:27

http://www.victims.org.uk/main.html

We have been able to explain clearly how terrorist organisations such as the IRA operate, and the international contacts they have built up the maintain their crime machine, and to assist in the development of other groups such as FARC, ETA and the PLO. We believe the USA needs to awaken to the threat the IRA poses to America and the American way. While British troops fought alongside the US in Iraq, Irish republicans assisted the enemies of democracy by protesting against the US military's use of Shannon Airport. Irish republicans not only have maintained this protest at Shannon but as Marxists have continued to act against the interests of the US on whatever front possible. Despite this, the popular opinion in the US has always fallen in line with the Marxists on the issue of Northern Ireland.

View the UDR Song dedicated to the brave men who died in the cause of freedom to live without fear of sectarian criminal terrorists.

Find out more about:

The Nazi side of the Irish Republican movement

http://www.victims.org.uk/patfinucane.html
Pat Finucane - IRA Terrorist or Human Rights Lawyer? "Pat Finucane Helped Fund Terrorist Bombings... Did Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson ever campaign against the mutilation beatings, the knee-cappings or the exiling? Did they or the British state (even since the Belfast Agreement) ever call for an inquiry into the role of the present Northern Ireland Minister for Education in the IRA terrorist campaign?"

They're just a bunch of fluffy bunnies, really.

by Sean O'ceallaigh - The Brotherhood Mon Feb 06, 2006 22:33

i'd like to here what you mean to johnny? we are the Irish society today, i dont speek for everyone but most johnny ,maybe one day we will have utd ireland, but people like you wont stand up for your rights as an irish citizen

by theboy Sun Feb 05, 2006 21:14

Its because of people like sean and his brand of militaristic republicanism that we will never see a 32 county republic in our lifetime.

Please expand Johnny, as to to how this would make a 32 county republic less likely?

by johnny the reb Sat Feb 04, 2006 19:16

Its because of people like sean and his brand of militaristic republicanism that we will never see a 32 county republic in our lifetime. To continually discriminate against one section of Irish society and at the same time demand that they join the Republic is idiotic and pointless.

by Sean O'ceallaigh - The Brotherhood Fri Feb 03, 2006 21:07

To Irishmen and Irishwomen and her exiled children in America and all over the world, in the name of god and of the dead generations before us from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland we summons you, her children to her flag on saturday 25th of feb to protest against to OO march on O'Connell street. lets stand up and be counted 4 EIRE

by pat c Tue Jan 31, 2006 19:09

indeed, but i;m listing the ruc men killed by loyalists to play mindgames with frazer & co.

anyway , DE, its hard to take you seriously. you call people who are organising a peaceful protest fascists. you kinda lack credibility.

some anarchists are proposing doing a street theatre to mock frazer & his jaffa buddies. are they fascists as well?

is everyone who disagrees with you a fascist?

by Sharon - Individual Tue Jan 31, 2006 18:59

" Morning Sharon,
As a matter of fact I was in Derry at the weekend. Didn't see any RSFers there, and you know what? You weren't missed. "

- I don't get the point of that reply , 'DE' - were you expecting a 'Welcome Committee' , perhaps ?
And we did not miss you from Dublin , either . So there !

Sharon.

by Dublin Exile Tue Jan 31, 2006 16:17

Morning Sharon,
As a matter of fact I was in Derry at the weekend. Didn't see any RSFers there, and you know what? You weren't missed.

As for pat c, you're still good craic, but surely you'll need two posters, one to list the RUC men whose killing abhorrs and disgusts you, and another to list those whose killing was grand as far as you're concerned. Fair play to you.

by pat c Mon Jan 30, 2006 17:54

"As for your silly question about bomb victims - its monday pat, so you are forgiven."

When i'm off work monday is my sharpest day. Some of those injured in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings have made it clear that they oppose this march as have the relatives of some of the dead.
And you want those who gloroify the organisers of that bombing to be able to march down O'Connell St without a protest. Its you that needs forgiving.

"On another point, are you serious about protesting the murder of two RUC men in the company of people who fully support the murder of RUC men, policemen in Britain, and Gardaí?"

Well I dont think the killing of all RUC men was murder. Some of those who died were kiled in action during a war. well we wont agree about this. but i am happy to stand side by side with The survivors of the Dublin/Monaghan bombing, RSF and 32CSM and many others

"You're some craic pat c, some craic!"

I sure am. you however seem to find it difficult to deal with complex situations and see everything in terms of black & white.

by comparing RSF to the BNP you are losing credibiliy. even those on the left who despise RSF would see that "argument" as extremely juvenile.

by Sharon - Individual Mon Jan 30, 2006 17:34

" So now the RSF are rallying around Parnell. Jesus wept! "
Yes - as a meeting-up point . I made that clear in my original post .

" And only 40 people showed up to a Bloody Sunday event that you organised, despite the fact that the whole country wants justice for the families. "
Did YOU take part in that event ? Or perhaps , going by the level of 'concern' you expressed , you organised your own event to mark the occasion ? Or are you content to simply dismiss the efforts of others , while recognising that you , yourself , could do no better ? I think you fall into the latter category .

" Just shows that people don't want to have anything to do with ultra nationalists, you are an embarrassment to the Irish people just as much as the BNP are an embarrassment to the British people. "

Your attempt to 'twin' RSF with the BNP shows your true agenda .
I dare say the reason you failed to mark the 34th anniversary of Bloody Sunday was probably because you were working in the British Embassy or some similar institution on the day . Or , at least , you wish you were .

Sharon.

by Dublin Exile Mon Jan 30, 2006 15:26

The point i'm making pat c, is that even where the broad mass of people in Dublin feel a certain way about an issue, most would not want to be associated with or be seen next nigh or near RSF, regardless of the issue.
In the same way most British people wouldn't want anything to do with or be seen next nigh or near the BNP. Both are ultra nationalist organisations.

As for your silly question about bomb victims - its monday pat, so you are forgiven.

On another point, are you serious about protesting the murder of two RUC men in the company of people who fully support the murder of RUC men, policemen in Britain, and Gardaí?

You're some craic pat c, some craic!

by pat c Mon Jan 30, 2006 14:16

you are not doing your own credibility much good by comparing RSF to the BNP. The only people who will agree\ with you are the dyed in the woll West Brits and Loyalists on Indymedia. It wont just be RSF who are protesting against the march. Perhaps you think the Relatives of the Dublin/Monaghan Bombings\ are comparable to the BNP as well?

by Big Joe Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:23

Whats wrong with remembering the past? Are people expected to forget the past now because the growing west brit types in this country think its un PC in a day and age where ass licking to an ever increasingly contrary bunch of unionists is getting embarrassing...

by Dublin Exile Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:15

So now the RSF are rallying around Parnell. Jesus wept!

And only 40 people showed up to a Bloody Sunday event that you organised, despite the fact that the whole country wants justice for the families. Just shows that people don't want to have anything to do with ultra nationalists, you are an embarrassment to the Irish people just as much as the BNP are an embarrassment to the British people.

by Sharon - Individual Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:48

The 34th Anniversary of the 1972 'Bloody Sunday' massacre n Derry was held yesterday (Saturday 28th) in Dublin's O' Connell Street , between 1PM and 3PM .
Approximately twenty members of RSF in Dublin were present , with about the same number of supporters and the general public . The two-hour Commemoration went without a hitch - even the weather was on our side ! The reaction from the public was positive , with no incidents at all to report .

Sharon .

by Sharon Sat Jan 28, 2006 23:11

" What date is the Dublin Orange parade on?
by Curius Saturday, Jan 28 2006, 9:42pm


When is the so called 'fair' parade going to march the streets of Dublin? What date is it?"

-It now seems that those loyalists will be parading on the streets of Dublin on Saturday , February 25 next - but this might be open to change . They originally gave the date as 28 January (today) , then February 4 , then February 11 - now February 25th !
On the day it does actually take place , RSF will be holding a counter-demonstration at 10 (ten) AM at the Parnell Monument in O'Connell Street : although that date and time are provisional and depend on the date and time of that loyalist parade . Any changes to the time etc of the counter-demonstration will be posted here .

Slan go foill anois ,
Sharon .

by Curius Sat Jan 28, 2006 22:42

When is the so called 'fair' parade going to march the streets of Dublin? What date is it?

by tim Sat Jan 28, 2006 20:39

"-No welcome in Dublin for this quasi-fascist, sectarian, royal-arse kissing provocation of a march"

And for that reason,I will not welcome them to Dublin.Not only Republicans feel that the Orange Order and unwelcome here...They are a fascist far-right group.That's enough to piss me off.

by pat c Sat Jan 28, 2006 18:46

well he worked for a bank and then worked for the GAA. that might explain his accent.

by Dick Dastardly Sat Jan 28, 2006 14:28

Is ede seriously telling us Mr O'Caolains accent is an Irish one ?
Its a rather peculiar one , old bean .

by Barry Sat Jan 28, 2006 14:22

enlighten me

And id rather be busy with a british sunday rag than busy in the British police like sinn fein will be after the ard feis

i see youve avoided commenting on that one
At least you never called me a sticky anyway for disagreeing -

with joining the British PSNI

by ede - ógra shinnféin Sat Jan 28, 2006 14:05 eiresaoirse32 at yahoo dot com Monaghan 57657668

It seems to bother u a little barry Irish people's Accent's , Maybe it is that you dont talk to them often, as your too busy reading your english/pro english Sunday Rag's, such as the one's you' ve obviously Gotten the above names from, u should really be working for Mickey Mad Dog mc Dowell, He'd Love U.
And you've spelt the name wrong again must be the Irish thing again.

by Barry Sat Jan 28, 2006 13:33

( dunno how to do a fada on my computer)

Your bosses way ( caoimhigin) is quite unusual , although not altogether uncommon , just like his ridiculous overly affected music hall villain accent .

If you knew anything at all about Irish youd know that , so it seems your knowledge is more pathetic than even my limited vocabulary . Which is woeful .

they were crazy enough to let Denis Donaldson , Fred Scapittici , Tom Hartley and Mairtin O mulleoir in . And even promoted them to the highest levels .

And Caoimhigin too

So its no surprise youse are joining the cops now is it ?

Informing to the British police will be ones patriotic duty in 2 months . Itll not be a big deal being outed as a tout when youse are in the cops . So away on ede .

Tell you what , why not call us all stickies again for the laugh .

by ede - Ógra shinnféin Sat Jan 28, 2006 13:11 eiresaoirse32 at yahoo dot com Monaghan 76576788

Not able to Spell the name kevin in Irish is a good enough reason for idiot's like urself Barry to leave Sinnféin if they were ever crazy enough to let a person who promotes British press, unfounded rumours and basic Bullshit from the usual suspects. Dont wake up and be a Born again Republican when the British press say's so Fool.

by Sharon Sat Jan 28, 2006 01:14

" its the whole "counter" demonstration thing!
by rooster Friday, Jan 27 2006, 11:55pm
it seems to me its just an excuse to start violence.
Everyone in this country has the right to demonsrate about whatever they feel strongly about, Dublin has had many demos over the last few years and the loyalists/victims of the IRA have stayed silent, its a pity the same courtesy is not being extended to them! "

- If anything , the 25 February parade is the "excuse to start violence" , 'Rooster' - not the counter-demonstration . The "loyalists/victims of the IRA" have , this time , associated themselves with KKK/C18/football thugs and fellow travellers and are allowing themselves to be used as pawns by Frazer and his colleagues . I intend to take part in a peaceful counter-demonstration , and that is all .
Will Frazer and Co. 'grant' me the "courtesy" of doing that without physically attacking me ?
We shall see on the day .

Sharon .

by rooster Sat Jan 28, 2006 00:55

it seems to me its just an excuse to start violence.

Everyone in this country has the right to demonsrate about whatever they feel strongly about, Dublin has had many demos over the last few years and the loyalists/victims of the IRA have stayed silent, its a pity the same courtesy is not being extended to them!

by Sharon. Sat Jan 28, 2006 00:44

"by rooster Friday, Jan 27 2006, 10:24pm

having a march like this does nothing but forces their views on other people, keeping wounds like this open for more decades to come.
Poncing around as if this is the only atrocity ever to matter!!! "

- It is Westminster that has ensured that the "wounds" stay open , not Irish republicans . You are quick to describe the proposed counter-demonstration as "pouncing around " but seem to have more respect for the loyalist parade itself , as I have not noticed you describing same in that fashion ... ?

Sharon .

by rooster Fri Jan 27, 2006 23:24

having a march like this does nothing but forces their views on other people, keeping wounds like this open for more decades to come.
Poncing around as if this is the only atrocity ever to matter!!!

by Barry Fri Jan 27, 2006 19:43

why are you calling people sticks ede ?
because they arent provies anymore ?

Is this constant sniping from yourself because the great Caoimhin Ocaolain (whose now rumored to be in the mould of the Boul Denis) has decreed there shall be no protest ? Youve resorted to calling people stickies for flagrant disobedience ? Is there Brownie points for that in the ogras ?

The state papers into the Dublin Monaghan massacre disappeared ( in their entirety)without explanation from Garda custody a short time ago and not one of your useless , Stalinist idiots in the Dail walked out in protest at McDowells bland explanation . Not one . And now your telling people they shouldnt highlight what Frazers gang did and what theyre connections to that and other atrocities are .

Reading your inane , apolitical nonsense reminds me daily that getting the f### out of the useless , cynical , tout led , corrupt mess which is sinn fein was the best move i ever made

I suggest you spend any spare time you have getting your PSNI apllication form ready for after the ard feis when you people sign up to the British police and become part and parcel of it in your entirety .

Meanwhile the rest of us will get on with doing what you should be doing if you were any use at all .

by ede - Ógra shinnféin Fri Jan 27, 2006 18:22 eiresaoirse32 at yahoo dot com Monaghan 6546476

Cut and paste this sticks,
Stop giving creedence to a willie's Uvf/udr militia, just because they have more members than you in Dublin. The Justice 4 the Forgotten should be allowed to March or protest as of first preference,not RSF or ARIEL SHARON ,All victims should be remembered even if the are the perpetrators of plantation and civil war on this Island, as willie's Militia is.

by Harry Fri Jan 27, 2006 17:56 Antrim, (U.K)

They are entitled to march you prick. They have their traditional route along the Garvaghy Road being blocked since 1997 due to concessions made to Republicans. N. Ireland is part of the U.K, like it or love it!

by observer Thu Jan 26, 2006 00:24

Time for political policing to cease permanently. The suffering of catholics just continues...

by Sharon. - Individual Wed Jan 25, 2006 21:16

'Dublin Exile' wrote -

"Those planning to disrupt or attack this march are not republicans they are fascists."

- I will be taking part in a political counter-demonstration agaist the presence of Mr. Fraiser and Co. in Dublin - I will be doing so because I disagree with their oft-stated political position re the Six Counties .
There are no 'plans' that I know of to "disrupt or attack" their parade - why have you , 'Dublin Exile' , attempted to mis-represent my intentions ?
Finally - if you believe my stance to be wrong , then why not organise a 'counter-counter-demonstration' ie - why not welcome them to Dublin ? O'Connell Street is surely able to accommodate all of us !

Sharon.

by Barry Wed Jan 25, 2006 20:19

A report from the BBC in 2004 concerning the revoking of Frazers personal firearm licence due to his activities and associations with loyalist killers

"From the BBC:

The head of a terrorist victims' group has won a court battle to be admitted to the Key Persons Protection Scheme.
Willie Frazer of Fair (Families Acting for Innocent Relatives) had brought the case after being turned down last year.

In a reserved judgement, Mr Justice Weatherup said the secretary of state's approach to the application was flawed.

The judge said the risk to Mr Frazer was "significant". The High Court heard Mr Frazer had received death threats from republican paramilitaries.


Immediate threat

It also heard that police had insisted on Mr Frazer informing them when he goes into South Armagh so they can provide extra forces to protect him.

The judge said that if officials had recognised that a real and immediate threat existed then the outcome might have been different.

However, he refused permission for a legal challenge to a decision not to issue him with a firearms certificate for a gun to protect himself.

The court heard that a certificate had been refused because of police intelligence that Mr Frazer had associated with paramilitaries.

Mr Justice Weatherup said there was no basis for overturning the decision in the light of the information available.

The judge added: "I am satisfied that the minister was entitled to conclude that the applicant was unfitted to hold a firearms certificate by reason of the police intelligence concerning paramilitary associations."


Is court evidence , PSNI intelligence and the decision of the British security minister that Willie Frazer is a close associate of murderous paramilitary killers , and whose activities with them are a cause of concern to the police worth bringing up in the Dail ?

Not to mention the police banning Mr Frazers organisation from the centre of Belfast too .

You should remember too that the rural UVF in the 70s was a different animal to the outwardly brash , openly gangsterish organisation it is in public today . Therefore floral tributes and the like at Frazers das funeral would be highly unlikely . It was quite common for the UVF not to formerly identify some of its slain members . The late Fred Otley in Belfast springs to mind . And especially if they were security force members as well

Just as there werent any paramilitary trappings at Cpl McConnells funeral either . Quite the reverse , senior churchmen , British generals and NIO ministers paying tribute at the graveside of a fine upstanding law abiding member of the unionist community in south armagh .

.And a mass murderer into the bargain lets not forget , leader of the Glenanne gang , and whose nephew is Frazers co founder of FAIR and Loveulster .

Brian McConnells uncle whom he is campaigning in memory of led a gang responsible for these attacks north and south of the border

19.02.74 TRAYNOR'S BAR, AUGHENLIG
07.05.74 JAMES AND GERTRUDE DEVLIN
17.05.74 DUBLIN - MONAGHAN
27.10.74 ANTHONY DUFFY
29.11.74 McARDLE'S BAR, CROSSMAGLEN
29.11.74 HUGHES BAR, NEWRY
10.01.75 JOHN FRANCIS GREEN
10.02.75 HAYDEN'S BAR, GORTAVALE
21.04.75 DUNGANNON BOMB
27.04.75 BLEARY DART'S CLUB
31.07.75 MIAMI SHOWBAND
01.08.75 GILFORD MINIBUS AMBUSH
22.08.75 McGLEENAN'S BAR, ARMAGH CITY
24.08.75 TULLYVALLEN
04.09.75 McCANN'S BAR, BALLYHEGAN
23.10.75 PETER AND JENNIE McKEARNEY
19.12.75 KAY'S TAVERN, DUNDALK
19.12.75 DONNELLY'S BAR, SILVERBRIDGE
26.12.75 VALLELY'S BAR, ARDRESS
04.01.76 REAVEY FAMILY
04.01.76 O'DOWD FAMILY
08.03.76 TULLY'S BAR, BELEEKS
09.03.76 CASTLEBLANEY BOMB
17.03.76 HILLCREST BAR, DUNGANNON
15.05.76 CLANCY'S BAR, CHARLEMONT
15.05.76 EAGLE BAR, CHARLEMONT
05.06.76 ROCK BAR, KEADY
15.08.76 RENAGHAN'S BAR, Co MONAGHAN
16.08.76 STEP INN, KEADY
25.02.77 Sgt JOE CAMPBELL
19.04.77 WILLIAM STRATHEARN
18.06.76 THE KIDNAPPING OF Fr HUGH MURPHY

Their tally of victims killed north and south of the border



Askin, Patrick Fay, Patrick McLaughlin, Frederick O'Neill, Edward
Bowen, Marion Teresa Feeney, John McNamee, Thomas O'Toole, Francis
Bradley, Josephine Fitzgerald, Elizabeth Mallon, John Phelan, Marie
Brecknell, Trevor Geraghty, Anthony Mallon, Seamus Anthony Reavey, Anthony
Butler, Marie Grace, Breda Marks, John Reavey, Brian
Byrne, Anne Green, John Francis Marren, Ann Reavey, John Martin
Campbell, Sgt Joseph Pat Hale, Margaret Massey, Ann Rice, Siobhan
Campbell, Thomas Harper, Archibald Mone, Patrick Rooney, Jack
Chetrit, Simone Hughes, Patrick Morris, Dorothy Shiels, Maureen
Clancy, Felix/Vincent McCartney, Colm Gerard Morris, Thomas Strathearn, William
Dargle, John McCoy, Brian Mulholland, Arthur Toland, Joseph
Dempsey, Concepta McCullough, Robert O'Brien, Anne Toman, Joseph
Donnelly, Michael Francis McDonald, Betty O'Brien, Anne-Marie Travers, John
Donnelly, Patrick McGleenan, Gerald O'Brien, Jacqueline Turner, Breda
Croarkin, Thomas McGleenan, John O'Brien, John Walsh, John
Devlin, Gertrude Magillo, Antonio O'Dowd, Barry Watters, Hugh
Devlin, James McKearney, Jennie O'Dowd, Declan White, Margaret (Peggy)
Doherty, Colette McKearney, Peter O'Dowd, Joe Williamson, George
Doyle, Eugene McKenna, Mary O'Hagan, Sean
Duffy, Anthony McKenna, Michael Oliver O'Hara, Brendan
Farmer, John P. McKenna, Seamus Eugene O'Loughlin, Christina

Cpl McConnell and other members of the RUC and UDR from south armagh has been identified by Joe Tiernan and Don Mullan in their books on Dublin Monaghan . He was also named in legal affidavits by SGT weir , his associate in those killings .

The fact that loyalist paramilitaries which claimed the Dublin Monaghan and other southern murders openly identify themselves with this campaign on television and have been pictured importing and distributing its newspaper as well might also be worth a mention .

willie gripped firmly

by pat c Wed Jan 25, 2006 18:24

Sorry for adding to the confusion. I believed it was to some extent an OO march. Paisleys Independent Orange Order will be attending and they may wear their sashs.

Do we have enough evidence to "prove" that frazers da was in the UVF? I mean the sort of stuff that would stand up in a media interview, not just to satisfy ourselves. Was he given a UVF funeral? Were there UVF notices in the paper about him?

If we had that sort of stuff it should be possible to get an independent TD to issue a statement on the matter.

by Barry Wed Jan 25, 2006 17:01

The orange order are NOT marching in Dublin

Dublins Orange lodge are appalled by this parade and have forbidden sashes to be worn .

This parade is organised and supported by paramilitaries such as the UDA and UVF and by immediate relatives of paramilitary killers who physically bombed Dublin and Monaghan .

Cpl Robert McConnell the leader of the gang which bombed Dublin was unmarried and had no children . His nephew Brian McConnell who set up FAIR along with Willie Frazer ( whose own father and uncles were loyalist paramilitaries who were killed too) are the main organisers along with the UDA and UVF leadership .

Frazer and McConnell are campaigning in memory of their dead relatives who slaughtered dozens on the streets of Dublin and elsewhere and who were directly identified in 2 books by respected journalists . They have also been identified as paramilitary mass murderers by their former associate Sgt Peter Weir who was jailed for his part in their murder attacks .They are campaigning with the full and active support of the UVF and UDA who steward their rallies ( which are banned from Belfast city centre) and distribute their newspaper .

A parade by these people in OConnell street is a direct affront to those who were slaughtered on the streets of dublin and a deliberate one at that . It is an act of intimidation in that anyone opposed to loyalist killers marching and playing orange tunes at the scene of their greatest atrocity ( which the southern authorities cover up still today) will possibly be battered off the streets by the garda . Their website makes clear they are very confident the garda will deal harshly with any protest , which makes one wonder about their contacts in the force , especially now the PSNI are seconded to garda stations throughout the south .

This is the same garda which didnt even investigate this loyalist atrocity , disposed of the evidence and treated the victims families as subversives . The same garda whose files on this atrocity disappeared " in their entirety" from Garda records only a short time ago .

People should use this opportunity to highlight their disgust at that massacre and the state cover up and garda collusion , not only to show disgust at the organisation which claimed the atrocity marching past the spot were it happened smirking all the way .

As someone from South Armagh , the area were those bombs originated and that murder gang operated Im very well aware of the nature of this march , the people behind it and its purpose .

Frazer and McConnell formed their group within weeks of the Reavey family ( who were slaughtered by McConnells uncle) being smeared in the House of Commons by MI5 lies . The Reaveys were lined up and riddled with British army issue weapons and by MI5 agents . The MI5 agent Robin Jackson slaughtered the ODowd family the same evening , again with BA issue weapons and ammo .The Reavey family sought justice and answers and instead got Willie Frazer and his campaign which emerged on the back of those MI5 smears and falsehoods .

The Dublin Monaghan families , victims of the same murder gang , also sought answers . And now Willie Frazers in Dublin right on cue . Just like the Reavey family the Dublin Monaghan families were treated as subversives , like dirt . Special Branch still monitor and loiter outside their meetings , take photgraphs and jot down car regs . That is intimidation .

This march because of the people behind it is a disgrace and an insult. Its not about the orange order , victims or culture . Frazer and McConnells relatives were not innocent victims but state sponsored mass murderers . Just as the UVF and UDA wholl accompany them are too . Their members in Scotland were giving open Nazi salutes en masse at the Bloody Sunday rally there which they attacked - (they call it the " Red Hand salute and claim it isnt nazi) . Their supporters were directly behind the attacks on catholic graves in Carnmoney which they threatened to dig up . Anyone pandering to these facists needs their head examined

A dignified protest against this is in no way sectarian , its the right thing to do .

by pat c Wed Jan 25, 2006 15:39

"From this comment are we to believe that you think that protestants believe that no catholics were killed or suffered over the last 30 years, "

thats not what iwrote. FAIR act as if no catholics were killed. FAIR do not make up the totality of Protestants. The widower of one of the Frizzel Shankill bommbing victims will be giving the Bloody Sunday Memorial Lecture this year.

"get real Pat that is verging on bigotry if you view northerners protestants that way."

i hope it is now clear to you that i dont. Please note that I dont think the OO should be prevented from marching in Dublin, I just think people have the right to protest. As long as the OO is trying to march where its not wanted up North, I will join in protests when the OO marchs in Dublin.

Nothing bigoted on my part: I am objecting to OO bigotry in the North.

"Also who are the BA?"

British Army.

by Aughnacloy Wed Jan 25, 2006 15:18

Pat C you ask us "Surely we have the right to protest against those who believe that hey are the only victims. They deny the reality of killings by the RUC, BA, UDR, UVF, UDA. Frazers own father was in the UVF: some innocent victim!". From this comment are we to believe that you think that protestants believe that no catholics were killed or suffered over the last 30 years, get real Pat that is verging on bigotry if you view northerners protestants that way. Also who are the BA?

Caobhin I don't know where the Shankhill is, maybe you mean Shankill Road. People have asked questions and made simple comments but you have gone ballistic in a sectarian rant in which you say that a "racist parade" will take place in Dublin, are you saying that Irish protestants are a different race to irish catholics? You also say that these people will "goosestep through Dublin". A definition of a fascist according to Caobhin is = people who are campaigning for justice, so that the murderers of their loved ones should be punished for their crimes! Interesting.

by Caobhin Wed Jan 25, 2006 14:56

Are you really originally from Dublin you pompous windbag? If you were you would realise that these nasty shitstirrers will only be actively welcomed by a tiny minority of Dubliners. Next on the cards should be a republican march sown the Shankhill and I suppose the organizers of this racist parade will reciprocate?

Of course "Dublin Exile" is a staunch defender of Dermo "BinTax -I'm lovin' it" Lacey and is in touch not only with grass roots Dublin but is an expert assessor of peoples republicanism, i.e anyone opposing this march is not a republican. Where'd you get that analysis from then "Dublin Exile"- the Michael McDowell school of Newspeak? Or am I talking "Absolute rubbish! "?

More Newspeak
"tiny unrepresentative minority of the usual headbangers." .

"Those planning to disrupt or attack this march are not republicans they are fascists."

Thanks for clearing that up -that's really opened my eyes for me though I guarantee you your beloved Queen lovers will have genuine fascists in their ranks on the day. Not that you'd let reality get in the way of a good old fabricated smear.

I presume you'll put your money where your big gob is and return to Dublin for the day to defend the right of these people to goosestep through Dublin against the "fascists" and "tiny unrepresentative minority of the usual headbangers." -eh?.

by Barry Wed Jan 25, 2006 14:37

Well written article here concerning the find of security documents in Stoneyford Orange Hall containing the personal details of 100s and the murder of journalist Martin OHagan .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,596068,00.html

Also mentioned are the activites of prominent Orangeman Mark Harbinson from Stoneyford . Catholics have complained to the police Ombudswoman Nuala Oloan that Orangemen under Harbinsons control and operating out of Stoneyford Orange hall have been conducting a reign of terror in that area and are untouchable by the police .

The loyalist terror group " the Orange Volunteers" is made up exclusively of Orangemen

http://www.scottishloyalists.com/paramilitaries/ovolunteers.htm

Their targets have all been innocent catholics

by pat c Wed Jan 25, 2006 13:59

"Those planning to disrupt or attack this march are not republicans they are ascists."

Why is the word fasccist thrown around so lightly? None of the people who are serious about organising a counter demo have suggested attacking the march. A peaceful protest is what is being suggested.

Surely we have the right to protest against those who believe that hey are the only victims. They deny the reality of killings by the RUC, BA, UDR, UVF, UDA. Frazers own father was in the UVF: some innocent victim!

I believe that the Orange Order have a right to march in Dublin; I also believe that the 12th of July should be a public holiday in the South. But as long as loyalists continue to try and force their way through areas in the North that they are not welcome; there should be no welcome for them in Dublin. (Dont forget many PSNI members were injured by loyalists during the last Orange march that tried to go through a Catholic area.)

Thats why I will be protesting. I will be carrying a placard with the names of the first and last RUC men to be killed in the North. They both fellin the line of duty defending Catholic areas from attack by loyalist mobs. Both were killed by loyalists.

If you want to see real fascits then you check out the loyalists who threw urine and blastbombsat catholic primary schoolchildren at Holycross, or the loyalists who besieged the catholic church at Harryville, attacking parishioners and dragging them from their cars; or the loyalists who burned the quinn brothers to death.

by Dublin Exile Wed Jan 25, 2006 13:27

The Ultra-Nationalists posting on this thread (they are not republicans) would have us believe that the people of Dublin are 'up in arms' and 'outraged' by this proposed march.
Absolute rubbish!
The only people getting worked up are a tiny unrepresentative minority of the usual headbangers. Unfortunately their myopia will feed into the hands of their opposite numbers on the unionist side. By protesting against people expressing a viewpoint at odds with your own you are just reinforcing this myth that the south is full of wild eyed green catholics who want to take over the north and drive the protestant population into the sea.

I'm no Shinner but fair play to Caoimhin O Caoilean on Q and A the other night who said that these people had every right to march in our democracy and they should be left alone to get on with it.

Those planning to disrupt or attack this march are not republicans they are fascists.

by Caobhin Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:16

The amount of self-deception by the loyalists on this thread is frankly amazing - they have the gall to ask for proof that the Orange Order is involved in terrorizing Catholics?

Of course they're not, like the UDA weren't until 1992 either - it was always the "Red Hand Defenders", Unfortunately in Ireland the poisoned world of 16th century Protestantism still prevails - the RUC didn't murder on behalf of the 6 county colony, the UDR didn't terrorize, and the OO were always the first to speak up against institutionalized sectarian discrimination. Portadown eh?

Now the oppressor wears the victims clothes the lie becomes the truth to these throwbacks.

-No welcome in Dublin for this quasi-fascist, sectarian, royal-arse kissing provocation of a march.

by Sharon. Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:53

'Aughnacloy' stated earlier -
" FAIR is an organisation made up of people who have been brutalised by the "troubles".. "

-'FAIR' have willingly associated themselves with Mr. Fraisers outfit and with the so-called 'Love Ulster' (sic) Committee . Others that have been equally "brutalised by the 'troubles' " have refused to do so . What does that tell you of the implied nature of the up-coming Feb 25 parade in Dublin ?

Sharon.

by Aughnacloy Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:04

How do you work out from what I said that I support the murder of catholics? I am a catholic but I am not a republican, most catholics are not republicans and we don't support the IRA but does that make us loyalists? Why do you and Sharon not answer the simple questions that you have been asked?

by Sharon. Wed Jan 25, 2006 09:56

'Rooster' wrote -
"oh, so your anti-Tyrone now?
Careful now Sharon, your starting to sound like an Armagh Pikey!!! "

- That explains everything , 'Rooster' !
Not only are you (allegedly!) from Tyrone , but you dislike 'Armaghnians' . As if being anti-republican is not enough of a crutch to bear ..... !

Sharon .

by The Truth Wed Jan 25, 2006 03:23

The fact that the 1st RUC man killed in the troubles was killed trying to defend nationalists against mass murder by so-called 'loyalists'? The bombings in the south by so-called 'loyalists' between 1972-76 which murdered and maimed many innocent civilians, including 3 working class CIE busmen? Bloody Sunday when 13 Unarmed civilians were murdered? Or maybe you, that ' Aughnacloy' and that 'rooster' yokes think, "ah sure they were all f***ing working class fenian s**m dossiers who deserved to be executed by our brave hard working 'loyalists'!?"

by Aughnacloy Wed Jan 25, 2006 01:32

The Quinn family are a mixed family Protestant and Catholic but would have been viewed by many as a Catholic family. A member of the UVF was convicted of killing the boys. The UVF killed the brothers not the Orange Order. Maybe Sharon's claim is in relation to the protest at Drumcree which was happening at the time.
I would also be interested in how the Orange Order is terrorising the nationalist community. Nationalists are angered, even intimidated by some marches but terrorised! Do you have examples of this terrorism?
And the same for FAIR. FAIR is an organisation made up of people who have been brutalised by the "troubles", due to the murder of their relatives by the IRA. These people are victims who have not been able to come to terms with their tragic loss. Yes there are leading members who have a political agenda that you might not agree with but produce one example of how FAIR has terrorised the nationalist community?
Probably a majority of those who will march in Dublin, who have had relatives murdered by the IRA will do so in the genuine belief that people in the Republic do not understand what has happened to them. A lot of these people are suffering and it hurts them deeply that those who are responsible for these murders will never be punished and they are outraged and distraught by the idea of amnesty for OTR's which is the main theme of their march. You don't have to agree with them and yes they are being used by people who have a political agenda but you could at least try and understand why they are doing it.

by rooster Wed Jan 25, 2006 01:09

Careful now Sharon, your starting to sound like an Armagh Pikey!!!

by Sharon Wed Jan 25, 2006 01:03

"I suspect that like a lot of republicans you have no proof to your long lists of allegations and simply do not want the peace process to succeed and that your aim is to drive a wedge between the unioinist and nationalist people but you will not succeed!"

- And what do you believe that my "long list of allegations" consists of ? I made no such list on this thread.
If by "peace process" you mean the 1998 Stormont Treaty ('GFA') then I shall refuse to speak ill of the dead - for dead it is , 'Rooster' - only being kept alive in the imagination of fanatics like yourself .
It is Westminster which "drives" that particular "wedge" , not republicans . And , in doing so , they confuse people like you . Even if you are from Tyrone .

Sharon .

by rooster Wed Jan 25, 2006 00:51

I suspect that like a lot of republicans you have no proof to your long lists of allegations and simply do not want the peace process to succeed and that your aim is to drive a wedge between the unioinist and nationalist people but you will not succeed!

by Sharon Wed Jan 25, 2006 00:38

Rooster wrote -

"thank you for repeating my questions sharon
"1. do you have any proof that the Orange Order ordered the attack on the Quinns(protestant family by the way)?
2. how does the Orange Order or FAIR terrorise the nationalist community? "
interesting that you did'nt answer them! "

-It might have actually been rude of me to do so - those questions were not addressed to me in the first place . I find it impossible to believe that a person who has "lived all their life in Tyrone" would ask questions like those . I suspect your true agenda is to attempt to confuse the issue on this thread and , as a 'bonus' , to try and garner support for the Orange Order . Good luck with that !

Sharon.

by rooster Tue Jan 24, 2006 23:54

"1. do you have any proof that the Orange Order ordered the attack on the Quinns(protestant family by the way)?
2. how does the Orange Order or FAIR terrorise the nationalist community? "



interesting that you did'nt answer them!

by Sharon Tue Jan 24, 2006 23:44

'Rooster' wrote -

" like the bible says, remove the log from your own eye before pointing out the speck in others "
-the Bible also says something about turning the other cheek . Perhaps when Mr. Fraiser and his colleagues are in Dublin next month you could ask him if he knows that particular passage .
In your earlier post , 'Rooster' , you wrote (in defence of the Orange Order) - "1. do you have any proof that the Orange Order ordered the attack on the Quinns(protestant family by the way)?
2. how does the Orange Order or FAIR terrorise the nationalist community? "
- How many more 'cheeks' have you got to 'turn' , Rooster ? Because the Orange Order will just keep slapping them for you .
Wise up .

Sharon.

by rooster Tue Jan 24, 2006 22:56

like the bible says, remove the log from your own eye before pointing out the speck in others

by Andrew McGrath - Tara Foundation Tue Jan 24, 2006 17:36

Loyalists (of the Northern and Southern breed alike) claim that the Irish War of Independence was a terrorist campaign, and that therefore the Republic that exists on its basis is illegitimate.

These are the same types who supported the Apartheid regime in South Africa, and have fond memories of British imperialism however disgusting its manifestations.

Yet they expect to be given the right to march in Dublin. And Irish people are expected to take it.

by Sharon Tue Jan 24, 2006 16:38

.....the armed campaign by Westminster passes without comment by 'Ant' .
I would read into your post , 'Ant' , that you are opposed to the 'LU/OO' counter-demonstration ? If so , there is nothing to stop you , and those like you , from staging your own 'counter-counter-demonstration' (ie giving a welcome to Mr. Fraiser and Co.) in O'Connell Street .
Or are demonstrations , too , " the last refuge of the moron " ?

Sharon.

by ant Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:18

Love ulster bomb dublin

love a united ireland bomb belfast

Nationalism the last refuge of the moron

by Sharon Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:09

....you have "lived in Tyrone all your life" with your eyes closed .

Sharon.

by rooster Tue Jan 24, 2006 03:31

well, lets see caobhin, I've lived in Tyrone all my life, what do you think???

by Caobhin Mon Jan 23, 2006 13:52

If you really have to ask that question Rooster you are either incredibly ignorant or being deliberately cretinous.

For proof of the OO's involvement in violent anti-Irish activites I suggest you pick any year between 1795 -2005 and check it out for yourself. I eagerly await your defense of the innocence of this colourful non-racist, non-sectarian institution.

PS - No wonder the Shinners are becoming a joke with brains like "ede" to speak for them. What happened "ede", no room in the Young Fine Gael branch in Monaghan?

by rooster Mon Jan 23, 2006 00:15

these thugs played a part in the murder of the three Quinn boys and continue to terrorise vulnerable nationalist communities across the six counties.

where to begin Aran!!, try answering these,
1. do you have any proof that the Orange Order ordered the attack on the Quinns(protestant family by the way)?
2. how does the Orange Order or FAIR terrorise the nationalist community?

by Aran Sun Jan 22, 2006 19:29

I think any counter demonstration would provide an ample opportunity to a variety of groups who have difficulty with a clearly sectarian, homophobic, sexist and racist organisation that is the orange order (intentional non use of capitals!).I would expect the same if the Ancient Order of Hibernians wanted to parade through our capital.I do not think they are trying to rub our faces in it however.They are clearly shitting themselves at having been sold out by the Brits and the subsequent electoral advance of Sinn Fein (Yes, Provisional!)north and south.They are now looking for reassurance from the south that we do not want the six counties back.The fools are probably optimistic about this,seeing as that pro Brit Fascist Mc Dowell is a Minister.Lets not forget, and lets remind everyone on the streets that these thugs played a part in the murder of the three Quinn boys and continue to terrorise vulnerable nationalist communities across the six counties.Whats this love Ulster stuff anyway? The ancient province of Ulster consists of nine counties and is not embodied solely in a Brit backed sectarian six county state.

by Sharon Sat Jan 21, 2006 20:09

" Dusty Iron Chains
by ede - Ógra shinn féin Saturday, Jan 21 2006, 12:43pm
[email protected] address: Monaghan phone: 3544657567

So republican sinnfein See 26 counties as a republic, what a warped bunch u all are,
It appears to me willie frazier and co are Educating the Ignorant, Ireland unfree will never be a Republic."
- Hi 'Ogra' !
Can you please 'copy and paste' the section of an RSF statement/comment in which they refer to the 26-County State as a 'republic' ?
Thank You !

" Dont worry you'll have your Gardaí there to protect you in your anti Peace process march"
- The Gardai will not be protecting the Republican protestors : if anything , they will more than likely use the occasion to harass us ! But no matter .
BTW - I heard on the news that Gerry Adams has decided that his organisation will not be protesting in Dublin on February 25 re the Orange Order parade . Has he also instructed his followers to deride said protestors as being "anti-peace process" by virture of the fact that we , at least , are 'not one' with Orangemen ? That appears to be the position which O(P!) SF have adopted .

Sharon .

by pat c Sat Jan 21, 2006 16:13

what is your gripe? do you think there shouldnt be a protest against frazer and his goons? should the OO and UVF supporters be allowed to march through dublin without any protest? i hope some SF members will be protesting.

by ede - ógra shinnfein Sat Jan 21, 2006 16:03 eiresaoirse32 at yahoo dot com Monaghan 454353

Dont worry you'll have your Gardaí there to protect you in your anti Peace process march

by pat c Sat Jan 21, 2006 15:42

the OO/"FAIR" are entitled to march to leinster house, we are entitled to protest at their march and remind them that they are notthe only ones who suffered. frazer seems to have forgotten that his Da was in the UVF as well as in the UDR.

i;ll be remibing them that the 1st & last ruc men killed in the "troubles" were killed by loyalists. both fell in the line of duty defendiong catholic areas from attack by loyalist mobs. not too many ruc men did that, they deserve to be remembered.

by rooster Sat Jan 21, 2006 15:25

it seems clear to me that protests/demonstrations in Dublin and around the GPO are viewed by some as the property of republican groups only and that half the population of the six counties will never be accepted by some sections of Irish society.

by ede - Ógra shinnféin Sat Jan 21, 2006 15:09 eiresaoirse32 at yahoo dot com 56678778

sean o neill commented -music and flags in the heart of the Republic, i. e. a big F*ck you to the people of the south.

Dublin is in the East of Ireland, and maybe it takes some people from the North to educate the geographical mindsets of some who think they live in the south or a west brit republic. And Who Know's Willie and his Master Paisley Might Find a vision at the GPO that is lost in protest in ism.

by barry Sat Jan 21, 2006 14:52

why are the protestors a warped bunch in your opinion ?

by ede - Ógra shinn féin Sat Jan 21, 2006 13:43 eiresaoirse32 at yahoo dot com Monaghan 3544657567

So republican sinnfein See 26 counties as a republic, what a warped bunch u all are,
It appears to me willie frazier and co are Educating the Ignorant, Ireland unfree will never be a Republic.

by Sharon - Individual Fri Jan 20, 2006 19:51

Hi Sean !

"In other words it is being used as cover for more sinister elements to take the opportunity to vent various bigot views, music and flags in the heart of the Republic, i. e. a big F*ck you to the people of the south."

Exactly ! No wonder Michael McDowell was asked to stand with them - kindred souls , all sharing that 'F*ck You' attitude.



"Now that it is happening we have to formulate how to counteract it. Violence would be playing into their hands and the PC types and pro unionist anglo-irish media. "

I will be taking my three children with me on this counter-demonstration : if I thought it likely that there would be violence I would not do so . However , I suspect there could very well be violence after the parade if the bands etc stay in Dublin to sample the night life .




" However, it must be confronted peacefully and a presence made felt so they know that this is not their queens highway ... "

Agreed , Sean - a peaceful and dignified protest .

Hi Barry !

"32csm will be protesting too "

Good to hear - if we cannot actually be part of the one protest on the day , we can at least support each other in our endeavours .

Sharon.

by Barry Fri Jan 20, 2006 13:55

further details shortly

by Sean O'Neill Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:37

To the disbelief to the majority on this island and especially the people of dublin and the inner city, this march is going ahead. Intelligence tells us that a big crowd is expected and there are many agendas taking part in this parade, with most having nothing to do with victims of violence in the north. In other words it is being used as cover for more sinister elements to take the opportunity to vent various bigot views, music and flags in the heart of the Republic, i. e. a big F*ck you to the people of the south.
Now that it is happening we have to formulate how to counteract it. Violence would be playing into their hands and the PC types and pro unionist anglo-irish media. However, it must be confronted peacefully and a presence made felt so they know that this is not their queens highway and Irish people will not be humiliated after all the good gestures that they have given the unionist people over the past number of years..

by Sharon Thu Jan 19, 2006 18:31

"maybe there could be some co-ordination in advance rather than have 3 or 4 different organisations arranging different protests. i will come back with some firmer ideas after talking to people."

It would certainly look better on the day , Pat , if that could be arranged - show a united front to Mr. Fraiser and Company . I will ask that the suggestion be raised at , or before , the RSF meeting at which plans will be finalised .
Either way - I will be present myself .

Sharon.

by pat c Thu Jan 19, 2006 18:11

maybe there could be some co-ordination in advance rather than have 3 or 4 different organisations arranging different protests. i will come back with some firmer ideas after talking to people.

by Sharon Thu Jan 19, 2006 18:03

I cannot speak on what other groups/political organisations intend to do in Dublin on Saturday , February 25 next (regarding the 'Love Ulster'/Orange Order parade) but I do know that RSF will be holding a counter-demonstration in either Talbot Street or O'Connell Street - the details [and the time of said event] will be announced nearer the parade date .
BTW - Willie Fraiser stated on RTE's 'Liveline' programme last week that the Orange Order have nothing to do with this parade and that he himself "cannot be answerable for the (conduct of) the bands " that are taking part - on that same programme he had described those same bands as "respectable...folk (music) bands" . He does not appear to believe that one himself ! He also claimed that he knew nothing about the possible involvement of Combat 18 members acting as 'stewards' on the parade , an issue which has been mentioned in various newspapers and on at least two radio stations (that I know of) .
Also - Orange Order members/supporters in Dublin and Wicklow had asked their Northern colleagues not to parade in full Orange regalia in Dublin but their advice was rejected .
I have no doubt that others will be out on the streets of Dublin to protest on February 25 - either standing with RSF or as separate groups : and that is the main thing , I believe.

Sharon.

by Con Carroll - Class-War Thu Jan 19, 2006 16:50

I would fully support a counter rally against right wing love ulster rally in Dublin
how mant other so called left activists would consider the same

by pat c Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:41

as far as i am aware, there are no firm plans on how best to oppose the orange march in dublin on 25 february. this might be an opportunity for people to meet up and discuss tactics.