Shell Blockade,Donnybrook-Wednesday 3rd August

by Ivan - Shell to Sea Thu Aug 04, 2005 17:03

I hear Prime Time tonight (Thursday 4 Aug) at 9.30pm will cover the Shell in Mayo issue. There will be a live studio debate between Mark Garavan of Shell to Sea and Minister Dempsey and possibly someone from Shell (that's how it usually works, the state side will only agree to do it if they have at least a two-to-one majority).
Regardless, Mark is likely to wipe the floor with Dempsey.

by Duine Thu Aug 04, 2005 17:20

Tá ceist agam.
Cé leis na staisiúin peitril ag a bhfuil na hagóidí seo? le Shell nó le daoine bheaga faoi cheangal Shell?
Nárbh fhearride dúinn agóidí a dhéanamh ós comhair tithe na mboc mhóra, stiúirtheoirí na cuideachta, lucht bord stiúrtha, 7rl.?
Cad chuige dúinn dochar a dhéanamh do dhaoine bheaga Shell ?

by Sarah Thu Aug 04, 2005 17:32

Tá brón orm ach ní féidir liom freagra a thabhairt as Gaeilge, agus is mór an trua é sin..

I think the point is that if you protest outside the various Shell garages around, the owners will be frustrated and complain up the chain of command, eventually meeting senior executives with a bigger problem than 25 people protesting outside Shell HQ (for example) would be..

Also the blockade hurts their profits which as we have all seen is the only thing Shell care about..

by Duine Thu Aug 04, 2005 17:38

A Sarah,
GRMA agus tuigim duit.
B'fhearr i bhfad a laghad daoine bheaga a ghortaíodh is féidir.
Buille ar áit na cumhachta seachas ar an imeall agus fanacht leis an scéal a dhul abhaile.
Ach i ndiaidh sin is uile, aontaím leis an bhfeachtas.

by Starstruck Thu Aug 04, 2005 17:45

Cinnte ta pointe agat ach ag an am seo taimid ag deanamh ar ndicheall e a chur in intinne an poibil go bhfuil cuigear i bpriosuin agus go bhfuil Shell agus Rialtas na Heirinne ciontach as seo.
Ag an am seo,ta se soileir go bfhuil Agoidi cosuil le inne an usaideach chun e seo a dheanamh.
Freisin,ta fhios agam go bffhuil gnath-daoine sa lar ach bhuel,ta gnath-daoine i briosuin ag an am cheanna.
Ta agus biedh agoidi eile ag aiteanna eile cosuil leis an Dail agus priomh fhoirgneamh Shell ach ta se an-tabhachtach bheith os comhair na staisuini peirtil chun an rud go leir agus go hairithe an boycott a chur in intinne na ghnath-daoine ar fud na tire.

by Ainm Cleite Thu Aug 04, 2005 18:44

Má táimid ag caint ar dhaoine beaga a bheith gortaithe, mar a dúirt Starstruck thuas is iad daoine beaga na tíre a bhfuil neamhaird a dhéanamh orthu atá sa bpríosún, atá á gcaitheamh ar leataobh fad is atá nathair nimhe na Coiribe ag sleamhnú isteach ar chósta Mhaigh Eo agus 'chuile smugairle leis idir nimh agus ceimicí agus brú ard, idir talamh a bhaint ó dhaoine beaga mar gheall nár thóg siad an deis an talamh a dhíol (agus nach deas gur tugadh an seans dóibh "yay" nó "nay" a rá - ar a laghad bhí an saoirse acu labhairt!!), agus na hiascairí beaga, a bheidh thíos leis má tharlaíonn go mbíonn uisce Iorrais truallaithe amach anseo mar gheall ar an stuif a bheidh á eiseadh as an terminal nuair a bheidh an gás próiseáilte, nó aon nimh a thagann má bhíonn timpiste ann, nó fiú an dochar a dhéanfar don bhfarraige mar ghnáthóg d'éisc agus d'éiníní na farraige tar éis don long Solitaire seo an cartú uilig a dhéanamh ar thóin na farraige.

Maidir leis na hagóidí, is siombal éifeachtach é an garáiste, agus caithfear an pobal a chur ar an eolas go bhfuil Shell agus Statoil ag goid airgid, glan díreach amach as ár bpócaí. Ach ní hamháin gur siombal atá ann - cé as a dtagann an breosla, meas tú, a cheannaíonns muid as na stáisiúin sin??? Ó na comhlachtaí millteanacha seo ar ndóigh. Téann an brabach chucu. Tagann an artola ó na comhlachtaí ilnáisiúnta seo.

Is iad daoine beaga atá ag fulaingt sa scéal seo ar fad, agus aontaíonn mé le Duine chomh maith go gcaithfear brú a chur orthu siúd a bhfuil an chumhacht acu rudaí a athrú. Tá sé in am ag duine éigin i bhFianna Fáil tréithe na ceannaireachta a léiriú, agus gan a bheith imithe i bhfolach faoi na clocha le faitíos roimh an daoscarslua! Mar sin an bunrud, sa scéal seo agus i go leor cásanna eile - nach bhfuil meas an diabhail an an rialtas seo nó ag lucht an airgid ar ghnáthdhaoine na tíre, agus bhí an meon sin soiléir glan nuair a sheas 100,000 duine an fód anseo in Éirinn in aghaidh an chogaidh in Iraq agus nuair nár tharla tada dá bharr.

Leanaigí oraibh leis na hágóidí seo. Ní neart go cur le chéile.

by bearla s'il vous plait Thu Aug 04, 2005 19:08

c'est un peut enmerdant de voir des choses en irlandais. ca rends la discussion un peut trop privee et peut etre si j'os dire "sophistiqueé"

Can we keep things at least bilingual on this - do people really want to communicate their thoughts

I dont speak Irish but I would like to be able to understand things

by Suim Thu Aug 04, 2005 20:59

Is iontach an rúd diaspóireacht a léamh as gaeilge máidir le seo..

Lean libh..

by Oisín Mac Eochaí Thu Aug 04, 2005 22:38

quick point to the non-irish speaker. what ur suggesting is exactly why u dont hear much conversational irish- in any group of people u'll get some1 who cant speak irish and they are accomodated to the diminishment of the gaelic language. that's whats happening in the gaeltachts and one of the reason the lingo is on the wane there. i'll speak english if i'm addressing an english speaker, otherwise i'll express myself in the language i'm most comfortable with- Gaeilge. i also dont think it's elitest to speak in the working language of your choice.
maidir leis an fhadhb faoi damáiste á déanamh ar dhaoine beaga atá mar bhainisteoirí na ngaráiste- fuck em! má tá siad sásta go leor léim isteach sa leaba lena leithead de Shell, níl trua agam orthú. nuair a rinne muidne picéad i nDoire chuaigh an bainisteoir ar mire ach dá mbeadh an páisiún cheanna aige ag tabhairt tacaíochta don fheactas saoirse an cúigear bheadh feachtas sár mhaith againne agus b'fhéídir an cúigear saoir.
chomh leis seo, ní bhéinn ró bhuartha faoi duine ghnó nó dhó, s'é tacaíocht an phobaill is tabhachtaí agus ní chuireann an picéad isteach orthú mar tá míle rogha staisiún artola eile acu ar aon nós- nach iontach an capaitileachas;0)

by Cupla Focla Thu Aug 04, 2005 22:53

Even if you don't care that 90% of people can't understand what your f***ing saying!?

by Oisín Mac Eochaí Fri Aug 05, 2005 05:17

so therefore danish people should stop talkin danish amongst themselves, flemish should stop... cos 90% and more of the world's population and more dont understand them? if i want to discuss something in irish with irish speakers on indymedia ireland i should be able to without mixing it into some sorta pigeon half english irish shite cos someone can only speak english. the gaeilic speaking community- and yes we may be small in number but we have survived 800 years of colonialism, are a particular case because of that oppression and should be facilatated, not shushed in any way

by Ois Fri Aug 05, 2005 05:21

also, i'm talking/addressing someone who made a point in irish therefore i will answer the point in irish- the same way i'm addressing u now in english. see, politeness is the gaeilgeoir way

by Duine Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:10

Tuigim pointí na hagóide anseo.
Tuigim gur "Fógraíocht " fhónta don scéal picéad a chur ós chomhair staisiún peitril.
Ach: is iad na boic mhóra a dhéanann na cinntí, is mithid díriú orthu. Cé hiad? Cad iad a n-ainmneacha? An cathaoirleach, an t-ardbhainisteoir agus baill an bhoird stiúrtha atá i gceist agam? Cén gnótha eile atá acu? Cén club gailf a mbíonn siad ann?
Truailligh a saol mar a thruaillíonn siad saol daoine is comhshaoil na tíre.
Maidir leis na staisiún peitril: cuir baghcat ar na staisiúin ar le Shell go díreach iad ( más ann dóibh).
Ach ná bímís ag buailleadh na daoine beaga agus na daoine mhóra slán sábháilte ar an gcúl.

Maidir leis an Ghaeilge agam. Níl mé ag iarraidh míchéadfa a chur ar éinne. Sí mo theanga í. Níl aon fhadhb agam le daoine ag labhairt Béarla. Tuigim go rímhaith é, agus is léir go dtuigeann daoine mise.

by Ruairi Fri Aug 05, 2005 13:10

Delighted to see Irish language, music, accents and methods being used at the forefront of taking on the multinational giants.

I can't speak much Irish at all but love to see and hear it used.

by krossie Fri Aug 05, 2005 15:26

duinne: Tá ceist agam.
Cé leis na staisiúin peitril ag a bhfuil na hagóidí seo? le Shell nó le daoine bheaga faoi cheangal Shell?

mise: Cen fath go bhfuil "duinne" igonnai ag tabhairt amach - an bhfhuil aon positive ideas sa cheann aige?

ar aon nos as observed above they're franchises - so the hope is that the managers will be pissed off and complain up - maybe even switch companies.

By the way the lad in Statoil Usher's Quay is very nice and says he supports the campaign so anyone going down at 5.30 this evening can look forward to free coffee!

Krossie

by Duine Fri Aug 05, 2005 17:33

A Krossie,
Tá mé ag iarraidh ciall a bhaint as do bhotúin chló.
Ní raibh mé ach ag cur ceisteanna. B'fhearr liom eolas a chruinniú roimh moladh a thabhairt ar aon rud.
Agus, dála an scéil, rinne mo dornán moltaí.
Is oth liom nach dtaithnaíonn mo stíl leat.

by Irritated Non-Irish Speaker Sat Aug 06, 2005 20:52

" ... i also dont think it's elitest to speak in the working language of your choice..... "

Maybe not, but it is pretty ignorant to persist in doing it when you know that so many of those who might be interested in the issue - as distinct from your demonstration of linguistic skills - cannot follow the opinions that you are expressing.

A lot of us may well agree with your views but you exclude us by your insistence on Irish language.

Maybe some of us are not pure enough for inclusion in your campaign and that is a pity given the overriding seriousness of the situation where those 5 men are still in custody.

by Duine Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:49

A Irritated Non-Irish Speaker ,
Más spéis duit mo chaint, faigh duine a dhéanfadh teanga duit.
Muna spéis, lig thart mo chaint.

by Gaeilge Mhaigh Eo Mon Aug 08, 2005 14:39

I have to say that it's an utter delight to see people debating and commenting in Irish. I appreciate that some people may not understand the postings, but as another person pointed out, Irish speakers always have to turn to English to accommodate others in any given group, which is why you end up with a situation where there are people in Dublin like myself, who are from the Gaeltacht and whose preferred and most effective mode of communication would be Irish (and indeed, our Irish would be better than our English), but yet who rarely get to speak in their native language. That is how languages die. They cease to be spoken.

But apart from that, I think the pickets are very important, as they remind the general public that as consumers it could be argued that we are condoning or that we are responsible in some small way for the injustices played on our neighbours by the multinationals to which we are patrons- if you don't support them, this is not the case. To divide means to conquer. That is why it is important not to pit the "daoine beaga" against each other.

Dá mba rud é gur úinéir gharáiste a bhí ionam féin, ní bheinn sásta bheith ag saothrú brabúis ar fhulaingt dhaoine eile neamhurchóideacha. Níl sé ceart.

by Duine Mon Aug 08, 2005 14:44

Tagaim leat, a Ghaeilge Mhaigh Eo.
Ach is mithid dúinn straitéisí eile a fhorbairt a shroiseann na daoine a dhéanann na cinní : Na Boic Mhóra.

by Ian Paisley Mon Aug 08, 2005 14:45

There's nothing better than seeing irish used. I can't follow it all - but, hey! I'm learning!
No excuses, now.
Use it or lose it...