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Israeli Embassy
The Indymedia Ireland folks published a feature on today's protest...
My photos not published on Indymedia.ie are posted there, click...
June 4: Boycott of Ireland-Israel Football Matches
https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/3208/index.php
Dublin Bus diver put a Palestinian flag on the dashboard today.
That bus driver might benefit from a chat with some of his Israeli colleagues who live in constant fear of having themselves and their passengers blown up in the cause of "Palestinian freedom" by a heroic suicide bomber.
Good luck to the Israeli Football team, all the way to Germany 2006.
Pic's !
Dauntless Caoimhe Butterly addressing the protestors outside the lair of the Israei ambassador !
The aparthied wall is only another way for the state of Israel to grab more Palestinian lands.
It is ethnic cleansing, and humiliation, that is aimed at demoralizing the Palestinains while also stealing more of their land.
Form more info about the history of Zionism, and why the Bush/Sharon road map is a dead end for the Palestinian people, go to the following website. It has recorded audio programs on this subject, as well as the written version of The Hidden History of Zionism.
" The Aparthied wall must come down"
I agree!! How the heck are suicide bombers supposed to get into Israel with a wall in the way?
It just ain't fair!!
The zionists will use any excuse to justify their land grab and the occupation of another people.
I guess thats the excuse the nazis could have used, when they placed the jewish people who were resisting the nazi ocupation in ghettos.
"They must be ghettoized so they can't kill us first", as they were preparing the final solution. Of course those jews should have never resisted.
The zionists are preparing the final solution for the Palestinian people, by killing them or making them refugees, and finally forcing them from the remainder of their lands with the aparthied wall.
For more info about Zionism go to the following website:
Sorry to disapoint you, the Nazis enforced Jews into Ghettos as soon as they conquered states, mostly at Poland and the former USSR.
It was done with no connection to any rebell.
Infact, one of the reasons Jews in Poland didn't flee as soon as the Germans entered in was that the elders remembered the German soldiers of WWI. In WWI German soldiers considered much better than the Russians. A German Soldiers was a gentleman: he doesn't rape. he doesn't steal. you can also speak with him (Polish Jews understood German since Idish is a mix of Hebrew and medieval German).
"So now the Germans are a bit more antysemitic. as if the Poles aren't".
No one thought of any rebell.
the first Ghetto was Lodj. he was established on september 1939. the same month the Nazis conquered Poland.
The rebellion in Ghetto Warsaw, the most known and big of them, broke at 19.4.43.
transport to the Treblinca death camp started on 22.7.42. The rebell started when only the body abled remained in the Ghetto, all the others were already sent to death. the ones remained already knew what they face, and that the Nazis plan to send them soon as well. they had nothing to lose.
Before that everyone had family, old parents, young children, they couldn't risk them by a rebell while they couldn't imagine that the Nazis plan to kill them all.
The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is a mere conflict between 2 nations fighting over the same piece of land.
There is an occupation. yes. it might be compared to other occupations, not to the Holocaust. Sorry, but you couldn't compare it even to the English in Ireland.
We don't plan any "final solution".
the only "final solution" that might take place is a Palestinian State, that could have been independent for years by now if the Palestinian wouldn't ruin it all in September 2000.
Not that I think it will bring peace.
In Israel we greeted the Irish fans very warmly. sad that you repaid us differently.
Because Zionists didn't murder ALL the Palestinians, Zionists have a birthright of murderous theft??? How does that work???
If I and my friends and family were to do to Costa Rica what Zionists did and do to palestinians, would it make it any less of an offense if we didn't murder ALL the Costa Ricans and didn't route ALL those we didn't murder into the wilderness??? No, that would be BULLSHIT!
And since ZIonists have never stopped stealing Palestinian lands (fighting over the same piece of land" I believe I once saw it described) and have never hesitated to murder the Palestinians who resist the Zionist's offenses, or are just in the wrong place, as defined by ZIonist offenders, "Israel" is 4 generations of murderous thieves. None of which have any "birthright" of murderous theft of ANY portrion of the Palestinian's homeland, EVEN if the Zionists (and thier enablers) ALLOW palestinians to have a STATE (quasi) of thier own. Shit, Nazis offered the vanquished French people Vichi France (1/3). Murderous thieving Zionists, who have constantly stolen more and more Palestinian (etc) lands and have never hesitated to murder the palestinians who resist the ZIonist's continuing offenses, offered palestinians 1/6 for a state (HALF of what Nazis OFFERED the French) and Zionists have the balls to call that "a generous offer." Shit, today's new generation of murderous thieving ZIonists are the most vile of ALL 4 generations of murderous thieving Zionists.
I can't say that I am sorry for not buying into your rationalization that because Zionists haven't yet murdered ALL the PAlestinians to steal Palestinian lands, that Zionists haver a birthright of murderous theft of palestinian lands. As I see it, you have only addmited that you are a murderousa thief ("fighting over the same piece of land" that you have no birthright to murder for).
Zionists sure are sick fuckers.
To you, the only solution would be if all Israelis, to the last of them, would pack their things and go to whatever. Or if they would kill themselves to the last.
This is the only way to stop being "4 generations of murderous thieves", isn't it?
I can't say that I am sorry for not buying into your rationalization, that the only way to have peace is not to exist anymore.
You are not so far form the Nazi idea for "Final Solution", you know.
Forgive me if I refuse to be holyier than the Pope.
Brainwashed trolls are sick fuckers.
There you go, suggesting that Zionists ending thier bloodsoaked war of conquest ("peace", to the palestinian victims of 4 generations of murderous thieving Zionist crusaders) eqates to "to not exist anymore".
400000 Zionists bugging out and leaving Zionist occupied Palestinian lands ("the same land", in your rant) in the current intifada and STILL existing prooves what a lie that is.
Murderous thieves is what ZIonists are and you made that point right above. "fighting over the same land" speeks volumes. Not just that Zionist crusaders are fighting/(murdering Palestinian to steal Palestinian lands), but it also implys/(if not infered) that Palestinians are equaly to blame for the conflict/(Zionist's crusade). It also says something else, but I will leave that as bait. Go on, say it, SAY IT.
Even after you admit that Zionists are 4 generations of murderous thieves you continue to scapegoat others. Weak. WEAK!!! I love how you stumble over your own rationalizations. It really showcases your prejudices.
At the oslo accords, Yassar Arafat agreed to the Oslo accords, and the wee bit of land that was left for a Palestinian state. Who assassinated Rabin? Were they Palestinian?
I think the Palestinians got a rotten deal even at Oslo, but most were willing to make peace on that offer which consisted of nothing more than bantustans, worse than those in South Africa, because the water resources would still be controlled by the Israelis.
The only solution now would be for a Democratic Secular Palestine that would give all people of that region equal rights. That means all christians, muslims, and jews. Not just Jews. Any state that is based on religious doctrine such as the state of Israel will never be a true democratic state.
For more info on this subject go to the following website.
Israel occupies Palestinian land, it forces farmers, residents, etc off their land in the name of 'security'. Then they build settlements on that land, and take all the water. Add to that the regular killings of innocent civilians by the IDF, as quoted by Amnesty, blah de blah...
But I don't think I'll believe all that. It would be better if I just started believing that because Isreal is a daymockraysee, it can do no wrong. The Palestinians are to blame for everything because they would not accept Oslo, for some nitty bitty reasons the likes of Kevin Myarse will refuse to elaborate on. Oh, and Hamas( wags finger) Hamas ( raises eyebrows condescendenly). Now...
Very complicated debate, is it not? Thank God we have George Bush there in the Whithouse to help make the world that much easier...
Question for Jeff, Workers Unite etc
What were the Arab states' war aims in their various wars against Israel?
Set up a " Democratic Secular Palestine that would give all people of that region equal rights " or something else?
And what are the Palestinians' aims, seeing as the Arab states had to outsource the job of destroying Israel after their numerous failures to do so?
Palestinians = the Arab States?
I'm really fucking sick of hearing this.
The motivation of Arab states and that of the Palestinian people have never been the same. (In fact I don't think the motivation of any state and that of its OWN people have ever really been the same)
Condemning the Palestinian cause for the actions of people who were in no way related to the Palestinian people is just stupid.
And the comment about suicide bombers and the Wall?
When I was in Tulkarm (where the Wall is complete) I saw stolen cars being smuggled in from Israel. I asked how this was possible, given the big fuck-off wall in the way. It turns out that if you really want to get through, and have a lot of time to find a way (eg. if you're on a one-way trip to a market-place with a suspect device) it's not very hard.
The difficulty arises when you have to get through 4 times a day to your farmland, or twice to your school, place of work etc.
Or when the Wall cuts your town in two and to see your new-born grandchild you have to get an unobtainable visa.
Or when your house is actually part of the Wall and soldiers have a permanent base on your roof. (these are real cases I came across)
The Wall is not about security, it's a land grab, and another method of intimidation and humiliation.
"In fact I don't think the motivation of any state and that of its OWN people have ever really been the same".
Except for Israelis and their goverment. When it comes to Israelis, every Israeli is fully guilty for his Goverment's doing.
As many supporters of Israel state
"Israel is the only democracy in the ME"
If this is the case, the citizens are responsible for the actions of their elected governments, if they dont like the actions then they vote them out and get a new government and a new policy.
If they dont do this then one must summise that the population support the government
Thats how democracy works
One cannot highlight the democratic characteristices of Israel while ignoring the reponsibilities of being democratic
"What were the Arab states' war aims in their various wars against Israel?"
They were pissed off that their Arab brethern lost territory, but thats war...they lost.
"Set up a " Democratic Secular Palestine that would give all people of that region equal rights " or something else?"
I doubt that very much. Jordan Lebanon and the likes wanted the fertile land, access to that strip of coast, etc.
"And what are the Palestinians' aims, seeing as the Arab states had to outsource the job of destroying Israel after their numerous failures to do so?"
These days, revenge for, as stated above, theft of their land, settlement building, murder. Though, I doubt very much you believe the Amnesty reports, or even the UN.The story of Ian Hook , UN aid worker murdered by IDF is probably made up. They are all reds, like.
You see, because I very much am against the abuse of Palestinian human rights by the Israeli state, in your mind this will make me an anti semitic Jew hater. I am not this.
However, I will not applaud the actions of the Israeli state I have just outlined. De ja vu it is when it comes to explaining to great minds like yourself why I think certain actions are wrong.No, I am not an anti semitic Jew hater, etc,etc...
"The difficulty arises when you have to get through 4 times a day to your farmland, or twice to your school, place of work etc."
(Sarcasm on!)They need to embrace the Free Market, and solve their own economic problems!
"Or when the Wall cuts your town in two and to see your new-born grandchild you have to get an unobtainable visa."
It is their fault!They would not embrace democracy
"Or when your house is actually part of the Wall and soldiers have a permanent base on your roof. (these are real cases I came across)"
This is to prevent Hamas from taking over the house!
"The Wall is not about security, it's a land grab, and another method of intimidation and humiliation."
If there was no wall, the Jews would be driven into the sea!
Sarcasm off. You get the picture. Cite caes of actual murder of five year old Palestinian girls, and some flimsey IDF denial will be
issued.
Mention the settlements, and the reply shall be either silence or pointing out that all Israelis are in military service, or the classic "What is international law anyway? How can there be such a thing?Pie in the sky!"
The concept of decency and fair play ( "The poor oul' farmer, man, y'know") gets a quick rebuttal;
"Suicide bombers are not decent, and neither is Arab society as a whole!
Israel allows freedom of religion, democracy and women's rfights, and even gay rights!
It has no death penalty.
Why can't you lefty airheads support this great country, instead of supporting islamofascism?You are all anti semitic suicide bomber apologists!"
With a simple, roughly five to six point array of rebuttals, the sequence can be altered so that these arguments will go on forever and ever.
This is important, because, via use of this formula, you can actually get a job at some stink tank with 'foundation' or ' trust' at the end of it's name. Lots of money to be made.All you need is an arts degree.
I feel great already!
Israel as a democracy is one of the myths perpetuated by the media, and the Zionist state of israel. It is only a democracy if you are Jewish by some quasi racial religious definition.
If you are Jewish by this definition you have all the rights of a citizen, you can buy and sell property you can own land, etc. But if you do not qualify under this quasi definition. You are not treated the same way with equal rights.
The state of Israel also funds and supports Rabbinical seminaries and other religiously Jewish institutions, and even if you are paying taxes to the state of Israel and you are not Jewish by this quasi definition you are supporting these religious institutions even though you do not have equal rights.
For more info about the Myths of Zionism go to the following website.
In the last elections, the Likud, Sharon's party, gained 28% of the voices.
If you add to it the voters of the Mafdal (religeus national party) and Ha'Ichud Haleumi and co. (union of several little extreem rightist parties, each of them wouldn't make it on it own) it would be 38% of the voters.
So it's defenately not that "the citizens are responsible for the actions of their elected governments". it's not the U.S with 2 big parties, when the winner really wins, but many little parties.
Are the other 62% responsible for other people's votes?
There is a say "1 Jew, 3 Opinions". think how many opinions there are in Israel.
There are about 1 millions arabs and others, which are Israeli citizens. They have rights as equal to Jews.
They can vote. they can own lands. they can sell them. they can buy property. they have T.V shows in Arabic. Arabic is one of the official languages in Israel.
The Ministry of Religions supports all religions with money, not only Jews, so its not that Christian and Muslims pay taxes for Yeshiva-Student Jews to take it all. Their Institutions gain support from the state as well.
The Palestinians and other non-Jews are treated as second and third class citizens within Israel, and programs about funding of religious institutions that are rabbinical are funded much more than others. And for any state to be truly democratic, it would not be funding any religious ideology or institutions. More about this can be heard on audio programs at the website at the bottom.
But Palestinians in the occupied territories are treated far worse.
The Defense Emergency Regulations
Under the Emergency Regulations, a military commander (currently the Military Governor) can, at his discretion and without judicial review.
imprison people indefinitely
prohibit travel within or outside pre-1967 Israel and the territories occupied since 1967
expel an individual permanently
restrict any person to his or her home, locality, village or town
forbid anyone to make use of his or her own property
order the demolition of homes
impose police surveillance on any individual and order him or her to report to a police station several times a day
declare any area closed as a security zone, whether it be a farm owned by a family, an inhabited village, refugee camp or tribal lands
censor all media, requiring all articles, leaflets and books to be approved, and banning their distribution
raid people’s homes and confiscate entire libraries
forbid the gathering of ten or more people for the purpose of discussing politics
forbid membership in an organization.
Military edicts appended to the Defense Emergency Regulations have proliferated to the point where they impinge upon the minutiae of Palestinian existence. Military Orders affecting the West Bank:
forbid the planting of tomatoes or eggplant without written permission
forbid the planting of any fruit tree without written permission
forbid any repairs to a house or structure without written permission
forbid the sinking of wells for drinking water or irrigation.
The Defense Emergency Regulations, first adopted by the British to control the Palestinian population within the Mandate, were revised in 1945 and used by the British to control armed attacks on British soldiers by the Irgun and Haganah and to restrict Zionist acquisition of land. The Regulations were condemned in 1946 by the Hebrew Lawyers Union in the following terms:
The powers given to the ruling authority in the Emergency Regulations deny the inhabitants of Palestine their basic human rights. These regulations undermine the foundation of law and justice; they constitute a serious danger to individual freedom, and they institute a regime of arbitrariness without any judicial supervision. [133]
Yaakov Shimpshon Shapira, who was later to become a Minister of Justice for the state of Israel and one of its leading legal authorities, proclaimed:
The regime built in Palestine on the Defense Emergency Regulations has no parallel in any civilized nation. Even in Nazi Germany there were no such laws and the Nazi deeds of Mayadink and other similar things were against the code of laws. Only in an occupied country do you find a system resembling ours ... [l34]
Notwithstanding these assessments by leading Zionist authorities in jurisprudence, the Defense Emergency Regulations were incorporated into the legal system of the state of Israel. Since the founding of the state in 1948, the basic regulations have remained unchanged.
The irony is evident. The very regulations characterized by the man who would become Israel’s Minister of Justice as "unparalleled in any civilized country" and condemned by Zionist lawyers for denying "basic human rights" were adopted as the law of the land. As Yaakov Shimshon Shapira stressed: "Only in an occupied country do you find a system resembling ours ..." The Palestinian people, whether in pre-1967 Israel, East Jerusalem, the West Bank or the Gaza Strip live in an occupied country.
Are these Democratic practices?
For more info go to the following website
Zionists have no birthright of murderous theft of ANY portion of the Palestinians homeland. And being democratic murderous thieves doesn't change that one hairy bit. Palestinians could chose to have a monarchy and ZIonists still wouldn't have a birthright of murderous theft of even 1 rock in the Palestinian's homeland. Not one single rock.
Odd how if the Palestinians are different from our ideal that some people would claim that gives ZIonists a birthright of murderous theft of Palestinian lands. Oh, but ZIonists didn't steal every rock in the Palestinian's homeland, and Zionist invadors didn't murder every single palestinian. So what does that change??? not a damned thing.
nazis didn't steal everything in Poland, just what they wanted to steal, and they gave that to nazi oportunists like Schindler. The piece of Paper the Nazi generals gave to Schindler (and other Nazi oportunists ) saying he owned "his" factory was about as valid as the pieces of Paper the ZIonist generals give to ZIonist oportunists feasting off the mysery of the vanquished palestinians. Even if (as put it), "they (the Poles) lost. Lost what??? The ZIonist invasion???
The wall prevents Palestinians from liberating thier homeland. So, the wall is a defensive tactic in the ZIonist's bloodsoaked war of conquest. Palestinians want to drive israel into the sea, makes palestinians sound offensive. Palestinians want to liberate thier homeland from 4 generations of murderous thieves, clearly shows the Palestinian's resistance to ZIonist offenses ("they lost") to be defensive, even if Zionist propagandists spin it backwards.
Not all Zionist crusader occupying Palestinian lands approve of what thier government does. BUT all Zionists continue to occupy palestinian lands. Occupying your neighbor's homeland is an offensive action in itself. So all Zionists are offensive against our palestinan neighbors, even if foreign interloapers give the ZIonist crusader state thier blessing to be murderous thieves.
To all those who are engaging in an orgy of hate and loathing. I simply recommend that you travel to the land of the zionist and meet these supposed fire breathing, devils who are bent on destroying and murdering palestinians, and tell me what you think.
How many of you have actually met an israeli? An actual flesh and blood israeli. Believe me, jews, or zionists as you seem to prefer, come from all sorts of places and espouse many views. Just read Haaretz!
Alan Dershowtiz and the Bush administration do not speak for this diverse nation of five million. Israelis want to get on with their neighbours. They want to live in peace. That is why the anthemn of israeli youth, is called salaam.
Ayfoh yesh hatikvah al yom?
QUOTE: jews, or zionists as you seem to prefer
Jews and Zionists are not synonymous. One is a religious/ethnic group the other is a nationalistic political philosophy. Don't confuse the two. You need to do some research on Zionism.