Images from the talk earlier by Giuliano Giuliani in ATGWU Hall

by kevin Fri May 27, 2005 00:47

5 more images from the evenings talk...

by kevin Fri May 27, 2005 00:49

Forgot to mention - audio from this up should be up in around half an hour or so...

by kevin Fri May 27, 2005 01:06

Fuck it, its after midnight now and my eyes feel like sandpaper, I cant look at a PC screen any more. The edited audio will have to wait, up soon.

by Dave Lordan - swp and G8 Mobilise Ireland Fri May 27, 2005 11:01

Thanks to everybody who came along and to those from the different groups who brought their leaflets, dvds, papers, magazines, stickers etc etc and to all those who contributed to what I think was a very positive discussion. Most of all thanks to Kevin and indymedia for recording the meeting.
There will also be an interview with Giuiliano in The Village this Sunday. A quick reminder that G8 Mobilise are having an open organising and discussion meeting at 5pm in Bowes pub on Fleet street this Saturday. Everybody is welcome. I hope that all of the upcoming protests in Ireland and Scotland that were discussed last night are are a success.

by i Fri May 27, 2005 12:51

day by day all of them archived here-
http://www.globalproject.info/art-340.html

by Brian D Fri May 27, 2005 13:39

I enjoyed the talk last night. I think a bit was lost by the translator though, because Giuliano would speak for ages and then the translation wouldnt last as long. I look forward to hearing the audio, I would like to listen to it again. The Questions and Answers afterwards though wasnt great, it just seemed to consist of people standing up and making points or announcements rather than asking questions. Here was a man whose son was shot dead by one of the biggest fascist police forces in the world, and the only intelligent/interesting question came from the guy with the video camera, who I presume is the guy Kevin above, saying to Giuliano that he respected him speaking at meetings publicly after his sons death, and then asking if he was ever bitter towards the anti-capitalist movement as well as the police, seeing as how his son's involvement ultimately ended in his death. He replyed by simply saying "Perhaps now we are living in a time when adults can learn from their children", and left it at that, I got the impression if he had talked any more about it he would have been upset. Its just a shame he came all the way to Dublin and nobody else wanted to ask him anything. I'm just as guilty as well I guess, but then I get very nervous when standing up and talking to a crowd, the internet is much easier.

by Gerry Fri May 27, 2005 16:00 gerry.gerbil at gmail dot com

Brian wrote: "I enjoyed the talk last night. I think a bit was lost by the translator though, because Giuliano would speak for ages and then the translation wouldnt last as long."

This doesn't indicate a crap interpreter. Rather, the reason for this is in the nature of 'conference interpreting', as it's called. That is, when a person at a conference or meeting speaks for a few minutes then the interpreter recounts the speech segment in the audience target language. What the interpreter does is to relate the gist of what the speaker's saying, translating the *concepts* in the speech into the target language. As you were at the meeting, Brian, you'll have seen the interpreter making notes as s/he was listening to Giuliani, and those notes will have comprised words and symbols representing the concepts of Giuliani's speech, which the interpreter would then recount in English using her own words.

This is very different from translation, where the translator has to accurately translate the exact meaning of words and phrases. When an interpreter is being trained, s/he learns to concentrate on key words and concepts, and is told *not* to try to translate word for word because that is just impossible in practical situations.

The upshot of this is that the interpreter's rendition of a speech is often shorter, sometimes considerably so, than the original speech. This is not surprising if you listen to ordinary speech, and listen to all the padding and 'nothing words' we put into it. Interpreting is the art of condensing speech to its essentials, stripping out the 'excess baggage, and relating this to the audience.

As an experiment, which is also quite fun if you've a few pints inside you, try interpreting from English to English. That is, get a mate of yours to talk for a minute or two on something and take notes, then retell what your mate said to someone else, ideally at another table or in another room. Or, listen to a TV prog for a few minutes, then try to tell a mate what's happened on the programme. This is an exercise regularly used on interpreting students, and it's a real eye-opener because it's surprising how much waffle and extraneous bollox we put into our everyday speech :-)

A good article on the different types of interpreting is on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpreting

That was a public information broadcast on behalf of interpreters everywhere ;-)

Gerry

by Mow Sat May 28, 2005 00:35

...unexpected and informative!
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Yes. Pity about those meetings. Where everyone's got their piece to pronounce from the floor. Giuliani as a drawcard... Is that too cynical?
Probably.