Demonstrate against Israel's Occupation on June 4th

by dylan Sun Jun 19, 2005 16:49 dylangreen2003 at yahoo dot co dot uk

Maybe you should all think very carefully before you start posting anti israel messages on this website. it was not that long ago that 6 million jews women and children were gassed to death in Austwich In Poland.
I am sure there shall never be another attack on Israel and the people of Israel without catstrophic reactions.
Lets all live together peace and harmoney and comment on what we know about.
We are all humans from the same planet. Brothers and sisters. Stop the vicious circle.
Posting anti israeli comments certainly does not help.
It is very easy to complain and winge. Harder to make a real poisitve effect for all nations people and there children.
peace love + respect to all individuals.
if you really care do something positive like send a donation to oxfam and feed the hungry.
How many children die of starvation in Africa every day- and what r u doing about it to help.. complaining that others do nothing.

by Gil Sun Jun 05, 2005 23:01

"You just did".

I bet your pardon?

by Mustafa ibn Sharmootah - Arabs for Israel Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:50

"so the wars and the outcome are bad for arabs but they brought it on themselves. if they change the tune they will find that peace with us is near."

This is very true. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons today, there'd be peace tomorrow.
If the Israelis laid down their weapons today, they'd all be dead tomorrow.

by israel football team Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:01

it look like some peaple will allways hate Israel. so some facts-
Israel was allways for peace with the arabs.
but from day one the arabs tried to destroy Israel "to throw the jews into the sea".
we don't like to fight and too see peaple dead. but even today their are many many arabs that will stop at nothing less then destroying Israel and killing any women men and child just for being a jew. much of this arab hate is in forms that the germen natzi used.
so the wars and the outcome are bad for arabs but they brought it on themselves. if they change the tune they will find that peace with us is near.
lets hope that we will all have peace one day soon.

by G Sun Jun 05, 2005 05:19

I think it's great if Irish people want to use this occasion to protest the Occupation. Politics and sport do mix, a lot.

But the poster for the occasion shows some really bad politics.

By showing the Israeli player (blue uniform) as a soldier with his rifle aimed (about to shoot someone) - the image implies that the Israeli players are legitimate military targets for "self-defense."

This is the kind of logic that led to the kidnapping and murder of the 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics in Munich.

Protest all you want -- I do -- but don't portray all Israelis as killers and enemies marked for death, just for being Israeli.

Anyway, I wonder if the people who made the poster know that some of the Israeli players are Palestinian Arabs (citizens of Israel).

Please - if you want to influence this bad situation - THINK and dare to be complex and smart about it. And dare to see Israelis and Jews as human beings and potential allies.

by J Sun Jun 05, 2005 01:33

national pride has NEVER influenced politics?..

by Dave Sun Jun 05, 2005 01:30

"I wouldn't talk about things I have no clue about"

You just did.

by Gil Sun Jun 05, 2005 01:28

It's really fun to go against a militant country, help the weak etc, even though nobody has a clue what's really going on there (here).
In fact - nobody really wants to know, nobody cares. They're here for a free flyer.

If Europe wanted to help Palestinians, they would help find and support a reliable leader sooner, someone you can really talk to and achieve something, and not "give us all Jerusalem, some more land, a lot of money, and then we'll see" kind we had for 10 years.

I wouldn't talk about things I have no clue about, and first thing - wouldn't mix politics with sports.
National anthems and flags - that we see on international sport events represent national pride and have nothing to do with politics.

by Big Dog Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:44

Yeh, those pesky unbelievers. Who do those leaf munching pinko loonies think they are, we should send some troops around and bulldoze their homes!

by Nir Sat Jun 04, 2005 07:35

this is nothing but a rude Palestinian propaganda. that is a shame that instead of focusing on making our life better, this extreme Palestinians, even though they do not live and expirience the day to day in Israel, dare to judge both sides.
If you are so brave and involved, come and live in the territories instead of bad mouthing and inciting!

A proud Israeli jew, who also respects true Palestinian belivers (not like the ones here)

by redjade Fri Jun 03, 2005 15:39

[sarcasm implied on blog]
The L.A. Times: Palestinians getting their property broken are just so darn funny!

....in case you missed it, yesterday's Los Angeles Times actually ran a short piece about the invasion of a Palestinian home and destruction of the family's property... in a lighthearted humor column in the Sports section.

Above text from
http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2005_05_29.html#002221

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This Type of Conduct Warrants a Red Card
By Pete Thomas
Times Staff Writer
June 1, 2005

Israeli soldiers reportedly barged into a Palestinian home in the West Bank city of Hebron last week with what they apparently believed was just cause: to check out the Champions League soccer final between AC Milan and Liverpool.

Reuters news agency quotes a Palestinian teenager as saying the soldiers commandeered the TV set — and broke furniture and windows — after asking him on the street if his family owned one. Khigaji al Batch said the same thing had happened at his home two weeks earlier.

"They are using our houses like a cinema," Al Batch said.

from...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-briefing1jun01,1,107167,print.story
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by redjade Fri Jun 03, 2005 15:22

posted info about tomorrow's protest and these images to various Middle East Indymedia's ...

The whole world is watching (some of it anyway)

Dame St Dublin

by Nicolo Fri Jun 03, 2005 01:15

Noel we have been down this road before,

why do you only come out when Israel is being discussed and why did you never answer my last questions to you.

such as if you have never been to Palestine or Israel do you base your opinions soley on the media.

As for assimilation why should surrounding states assimilate this nation because of the expansionist policies of Israel. There is more than one nationality amongts arabs. Also to your asertion that anyone who critises Israel as being a jew hater please note that Israel states that it is a secular democracy not a religous based state and indeed some 1.2 million Israeli Arabs are muslim and christina. Yes Noel Christians are also denied basic rights. What about Mordechai Vanunu put in prison for 18 years for revealing secrets about a nuclear arsenal that Israel denies exists, an arsenal that was built outside all international treaties

As for links to huiman rights abuses check Amnesty International's Report recently published on Palestine /Israel which gives detailed accounts of murder, totture and abuse of human rights,

are these links enough Noel

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/isr-summary-eng

as regards Israel not making shit holes like Jenin etc well when you build a wall around a town and then you control entry and access of everything then yes I would say you created the mess.

The Apartheid Wall, is illegal accoring to the International Court, UN, EU, the late Pope etc etc etc

Maybe Noel the issue is that you are a palestinian hater?

I deplore the violence on all sides and widsh that a two state solution is found quickly but no one can deny that Israel is a brutal military state which suppresses and occupies a nation. Israel is in breach of UN resolution and International Conventions, check this all out

All states in the middle east are corrupt, most of these are allies of the West, but we shouldnt let the skin colour of any nation dictate which is good and bad

Again Noel, maybe you are just a plain old arab/muslim/palestinian hater

by Noel Fri Jun 03, 2005 00:15

Dave C,

Thanks for the link.
However, I was looking for proof of a denial of basic rights, not whether 91.6% of Jewish schools have libraries and a mere 90.8% of Arab schools do.

I thought denial of basic human rights would include such things as no vote, no free press, arbitrary arrest, torture, amputation, execution. You know - the 'basic' stuff.

So when the usual suspects castigate Israel for it's denial of basic rights to Arabs, I look forward to their boycotting and protesting of Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Tunisia etc. Otherwise they could be mistaken for being just plain Jew haters. And that just wouldn't do.

by Dave C - UCDSU Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:37

You wanted a link. Well here you go...

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/index.htm


Or here's the short version:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/ISRAEL0901-01.htm#P303_12138

by Noel Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:31

The shithole refugee camps are not shitholes because Israel deemed it so.
If their Arab brethren had agreed to assimilate the refugees into their own countries there would be no need for shitholes like Jenin or Ramallah.
Just as Israel accepted the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

As for the denial of basic rights to Israeli Arabs - even Israeli Arab women, yes Arab women can vote. A link outlining these denied rights would be useful.

Try meeting the parents of the Jewish kids murdered by Palestinian terrorists. Ask them if they're having a nice holiday.

There are none so blind as those that don't want to see.

by Nicolo Thu Jun 02, 2005 22:40

Devil Dog

As Sally asked,

have you been to occupied Palestine,

to Jenin, to Qualkilia, to Aida and Dehesie cvamps in Bethlem, to Ramallah, Rafah and Gaza and see the "normality" there?

Did you meet any of the 1.2 million Israeli Arabs denied basic rights inside Israel,

Have you gone through a checkpoint or been with families that sit through interrogations and harrassment.

There are none so blind as those that dont want to see

by Sally Thu Jun 02, 2005 16:05

But have you been to Occupied Palestine?

I mean you could have visited the 'UK' in 1972 and stayed in a nice hotel on Park Lane, but it would tell you diddley squat about what was happening in the Bogside in Derry.

Those 'artistes' who broke the cultural boycott and played South Africa in the 1970s and 80s came back singing the praises of Sun City and how well treated they were, how the Black people they met were happy, etc.

by Devil Dog Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:50

Fair enough on the "showcase" bit - however, the poster above went considerably further and made a connection between the game and deflecting attention from the wall/settlements - I'm simply looking for evidence of this.

Would all those who favour a boycott of Israel have favoured a boycott of the USSR? Or in the present day, how's about North Korea? Sudan?

Incidentally, I've been to Israel on a number of occassions- seemed pretty "normal" to me, bit pricey though.

by Nicolo Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:37

What was special about theIreland game in Israel was that for many months Israel played their home games outside of israel and that this was the first big football match iN Israel for a long time.

The government did use the occassion to promote Israel and remember that all Palestinians were endied access into tel Aviv and that the territories were closed down.

The match was a showcase for the Israeli government becuase it put Israel back on the international sporting scence and was used to highlight how "normal and safe" the country is.

by Sally Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:31

In the 1980s the US and the Eastern bloc between them destroyed the integrity of the Olympic Games as a sporting contest due to tit for tat Boycotts. However this was states - rather than campaign groups - bringing politics into sport. I don't recall much protest about it though. But every time non-State groups organise something like this Saturday's events the idiots and the media start on with a witless 'keep politics out of sport' chant. The major supermarkets are full of Israeli vegetables at present, much of them grown on occupied Palestinian land. Oh, I forgot - 'Keep Politics out of Potatoes'. By following this inane logic of rejecting sporting and economic boycotts that Nelson Mandela Mandela lad would still be rotting on Robben Island. But it would not worry our friend above, most likely too absorbed in cack like 'Celebrity Love Island' or texting his votes in to the Eurovision. Incidentally - Keep Politics Out of the Eurovision, folks...

by Urri (schmurri?) Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:30

As a pointer I would start by reading Frank McNally's article on March 19th in the IT. He travelled as a guest of the Israeli foreign ministry, Israeli ministry of tourism and Municipality of Tel Aviv-Jaffa and his article stated that 'Local Jewish communities started building it on their own, and the government reluctantly followed', amongst other crap.

by Nicolo Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:12

Ruri,

Its only morons who dont see politics in sport.

Ask yourself this,

if there is no politics in sport then why play national anthems, why fly the flags why indeed are the teams themselves representing political entities, i.e. nationa states

Look at the apartheid era and what went on theri with politics,

look at the sporting boycott of milosoveic's serbia

Look at the rethoric used around sporting occassions, remember when Irelandplay England its a rerun of centuries of conflict,

loook at the old firm derby,

look everywhere,

sport is like all manifestations of identity its tied into politics and who we are

by Devil Dog Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:08

"The recent Israel/Ireland match in Tel Aviv was used by the Israeli Government to deflect attention from its illegal wall & programme of settlement expansion. "

How exactly did the Israeli government do this? Do you have any evidence of the IG making a connection between the game and the wall or is this pure conjecture on your part?

What was so special about the Ireland game in this regard or are you saying that the Israeli government does this with regard to other international sporting events?

by Urri Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:42

Keep sport out of politics moron.

For the slow learner

POLITICS & SPORT

Some people believe that politics and sport should never mix. We argue that the two are inseparable. The recent Israel/Ireland match in Tel Aviv was used by the Israeli Government to deflect attention from its illegal wall & programme of settlement expansion. We should use the upcoming game to show Israel that Irish people believe in justice and support freedom for Palestine.
During the 1970s and 80s, Irish sporting fans showed their opposition to Apartheid by boycotting sporting events with South Africa. We are asking you to show that same solidarity with Palestine today by joining us on June 4th and calling for an end to 38 years of occupation.

by Ruri Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:39

Keep politics out of sport, morons.

Pathetic

by Noel Wed Jun 01, 2005 22:47

Thanks for the e-wish link.
I've congratulated the Irish team for playing Israel and fulsomely welcoming them to Ireland. Well done you boys in green.

by Siun - IPSC - Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign Wed Jun 01, 2005 18:16 supportpalestine at ireland dot com PO Box 9124, Dublin 1 016770253

At the following link you can send an 'e-wish' to the Irish team or individual team members:

http://home.eircom.net/javascript/Ewishes/Ir_vs_Isr/form.jsp

Ask them to express their opposition to Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands.

Thanks.

by Siún - IPSC Mon May 30, 2005 15:58 supportpalestine at ireland dot com 677 0253

Link to the poster for Saturday's demo at: http://www.ipsc.ie or http://www.irishantiwar.org

by Aine - IPSC belfast Tue May 24, 2005 17:12

Bus travelling from Belfast to Dublin, to join in the mobilisation,will leave Belfast City Centre @ 11-30am on Saturday June 4th 2005 (returning the same evening.)

£8 per seat for the return journey .

Tickets can be booked by contacting Aine on 07980469730