Futuristics?

by moonwolf Sat Jun 19, 2004 03:51

indeed! and it's good to see the back of psuedo politicians of the ilk of Frank Godfrey and Michael Bell...maybe their is hope for Louth after all.

by Arthur Sat Oct 02, 2004 20:03

The only hope for Louth is to support Sinn Fein and get a decent government of the people.

by eamonn c Sat Oct 02, 2004 21:30

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by Tel Sun Oct 03, 2004 00:54

Not necessarily. It might be Arthur Daly.
I dont really care as long as he is not a member of the PDs.

by timmy Thu Oct 21, 2004 01:56

The only hope for louth politics is for the ffers and blueshirts to keep slapping each other over cups of tea while sinn fein get down to the real business of building a united ireland.

by FF Thu Oct 21, 2004 16:08

Yes, a united Ireland incorperated into the If the shinners are listened to!

by SF watch Thu Oct 21, 2004 16:17

All the Shinners care about is rubbing out a a line on a map.

In this glorious united Ireland that the Shinners want there will still be exploitation, poverty, injustice, racism and discrimination because the Shinners would settle for a capitalist united ireland.

It willl be great when our exploiters are Irish instead of English, I can't wait!

by SF Watch watcher Thu Oct 21, 2004 16:22

There will always be poverty and exploitation and racism. Just as there always has been. Even under the workers paradises that were the USSR etc. In fact they were ten times worse nightmares for anyone unfortunate to live in them. So stop beleiving in fairy tales and get on with it. Politics is only a game and the best we can hope for is something like we already have. Thank fuck SF have realised that.

by SF watch Thu Oct 21, 2004 17:21

So are you saying that it is a waste of time to strive for a better society? Should we all just accept that there is poverty and exploitation? Is this the thinking within SF?

I reject this rubbish! The ex USSR was no workers paradise, it wasn't socialism. there is no need for poverty to exist, it is not inevitable. there is enough wealth in the world to end hunger and poverty and give everyone a very good standard of living, the trouble it is in the hands of a tiny minority. Of course SF are completely unwilling to challenge the privilages of this minority in case FF wont do a coalition deal or the funds in America dry up.

by SF Watch watcher Thu Oct 21, 2004 17:28

These things have always been, and always eill be. That is not to say that people ought not to strive to improve things and the position of working class people in Europe and America at least has improved beyond recognition in the last 150 years.

As for the USSR. Of course it was socialism. And every other socialist revolution has ended in exactly the same horror. The peoples of the former USSR would have been far better off had the revolution never taken place.

by SF Watch watcher observer Thu Oct 21, 2004 17:53

United Ireland? Are you having a laugh? The truth is the majority in Northern Ireland don't want it and the vast majority in the Republic of Ireland won't pay for it.
The Celtic tiger has exposed the majority of Irish people for what the are: greedy consumerist self centred bastards.
They wont pay more taxes to improve their own local A&E services, they certainly wont pay more taxes to maintain the level of social provision that 'deprived and oppressed' nationalists north of the border have grown accustomed to under HMG.

by SF watch watcher Thu Oct 21, 2004 18:15

As opposed to what? Naive fools who will follow some self appointed bunch of losers masquerading as the revolutionary party into a 21st century labour camp of the type created by EVERY socialist revolution in history. Which is why people no longer beleive in the shit.

by Sf watch Thu Oct 21, 2004 18:29

"These things have always been, and always eill be."

I reject this right wing idea that 'the poor will always be with us'. There is no reason why we can't eliminate poverty and drastically improve the living standards of the worlds population. The wealth is there! Look at the billions being made everyday in profits by the worlds richests elites. If we take this wealth under democratic public ownership we can put poverty into the past.

"the position of working class people in Europe and America at least has improved beyond recognition in the last 150 years. "

The relative position of the working class in the West has not improved, it has gotten worse. In the west there is a greater gap between rich and poor than 150 years ago. Yes people's living standards have improved but imagine what our living standards could be if all the wealth created by us was under our ownership!

Also you neglect to mention the fate of the majority of the worlds population that lives in Asia, South america and Africa. Their living standards have declined dramatically and are only going to get worse under capitalism.

"As for the USSR. Of course it was socialism.
And every other socialist revolution has ended in exactly the same horror. The peoples of the former USSR would have been far better off had the revolution never taken place"

You fail utterly to offer any real analysis of what exactly existed in the USSR. The USSR and the other stalinist states around the world are not socialist states and never were. What they were were state owned and planned economies that were bureacratically and undemocratically run usually by disgusting dictators and totalitarian single party states. they were not workers paradises because of the undemocratic nature of the state and the fact that they were isolated to just a few states. In saying this this does not mean there were gains made by workers in those states. Russia was transformed from a semi feudal country into a super power. The living standards of the Chinese people were dramatically improved, just compare China and India. Look at the Cuban health system, reputed to be the best in the world. East Germany had full employment now under capitalism they have unemployment of 20%! the ordinary people of the stalinists states were and are better off under a state owned and planned economy than what they would be under capitalism.

the fact is that SF have sold out. They fully accept the market and don't want to challenge capitalism whatsoever.

by sf watch watcher Thu Oct 21, 2004 18:38

Do you really beleive all that shite? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you know nothing about the history of socialist states or "planned economies" as you choose to call them.

Socialism is against human nature - that is why it leads to such horror.

by FF Thu Oct 21, 2004 18:49

Only hope for Louth ....

Yes, a united Ireland incorporated into the A.U. If the shinners are listened to!

I was told that they celebrate Nigeria's independence Day in Dundalk every year.

by Think sqare Fri Oct 22, 2004 16:23

Here’s a suggestion to improve Louth—Break it up!! Yes , seriously one of Louth’s main problems is it has TWO towns of significant urban size vying with each other. Both Dundalk and Drogheda merit regional/administrative Capital status.

My suggestion would be to make Dundalk capital of the North Louth/Monaghan administrative region while Drogheda becomes the capital of south Louth /Meath region.

Since the country areas in their hinter lands use each town respectively for business trade schools etc. this makes more sense than the current arrangement based on ancient boundaries. It would have a greatly beneficial eaafect on Drogheda.