Herald lies about Irish football neo-nazi links

by Mrs Doyle Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:53

...about a sport whose governing body spends all of its time on its knees sucking the corporate dick of the likes of Nike, McDonalds and Coca-Cola? Fuck off with your sad attempt to make football appear exciting or relevant you globalised drone!

by Anti-Fascist Thu Apr 22, 2004 13:04

Mrs Doyle does like football, once she had read 'Undertanding Football - for Women' , a classic episode of the sitcom had her and 2 dozen other elderly housekeepers roaring abusive chants at the 'Over 75s All Priests 7-a-side tournament'.

Saw that issue of the 'Evening Rag' on Tuesday all right and laughed outright at the nonsense in it. Of course the Ultras are not Nazis, going back 10 years or so Rovers fans even brought out Anti-Racist stickers. Good that you got a rebuttal published though - in several cases lately they have slandered and abused people and organisations and ignored protests afterwards.

People organising the May Day and Bush stuff should keep an eye on this peripheral sort of coverage too as it is just the coppers ratcheting up the 'tension int he city' crap, creating fear and justifying their overtime.

by Dermot L - Shed End Invincibles - St Pat's Athletic Fans Group Thu Apr 22, 2004 14:38

The article was not only false, misleading, sensationalist and digusting - it was also dangerous. It shows that trashy rags like this can make pronouncements that are blatantly untrue about groups of people. The line "pre-planned violence is now common-place in the eircom League" is a complete lie, as is the following one - "There is a hardcore hooligan element attached to a number of mainly Dublin teams, whose sole aim is to cause violence."

The Herald, by the way, has one of the best soccer journos in the League in Aidan Fitzmaurice, but do not allow him any space to analyse the LOI - however, space at the front of the paper is somehow found when there's sensationalist tripe to be written. It's analogous to what's happening around MayDay.

On the comments above - Irish soccer clubs are based very much in their communities with true local, generally working-class support. The sworn allegiance of hundreds of thousands of Irish "fans" to British plc's is all well and good, given the levels of attacking skill and excitement in the Premiership, but most of these ignore their local clubs and pour scorn on a League they rarely, if ever see. I am proud to support St Patrick's Athletic Football Club, proud to attend games every week and to follow my club the length and breadth of the country with knowledgable, passionate fans. I have learned a lot more about the world's greatest sport by going to games, as opposed to watching them on a screen, and instead of feeling angry towards those who deride our League I feel pity for them. They will never know what it is to feel a very real part of a club that wins the League or drives a club on to success. I think it's a no-brainer to link up socialism and movements against cultural hegemony with support for Irish football.

by Sean Walsh Thu Apr 22, 2004 14:43

I know for a fact that some elements of these Shamrock Rovers Ultras organise trouble at eircom league games. I know some muppets who call themselves Bohs casuals who actually arrange fights with these clowns before or after games between each other. I also know of certain members who've actually gone to the UK to fight alongside English yobs. I was at a Celtic game in Fraziers on etime and there was Shamrock Rovers Ultras members all around. None of them were wearing Celtic colours!(Or rovers colours(same for the layman)).They all wear their desinger gear as their idols, the English Hooligans do. All through the game they sang 'Soldiers are We' but when it came to the end of the band not one of them sang along with Amhran Na Bhfiann. This, after being singing and dancing along with republican songs. Big men in groups-shitbags when alone.

by Dermot L - SEI / St Patrick's Athletic Thu Apr 22, 2004 15:02

Yes there are some trouble-makers who claim to follow Bohs and Rovers (doing in the process a great disservice to the thousands of loyal and decent fans of these two famous old clubs) but their numbers are small. They should be challenged and dealt with by their clubs in my view but remember that Irish football is not unique - in fact every major footballing nation I can think of has had, and continues to have, difficulties with crowd trouble. In England there are regular mill-ups outside games in all four divisions every single weekend, yet it goes largely unreported by the press. Here, where a gang of dickheads meet up for twenty seconds and act the hard men it makes front page news - and by association everyone involved in the League of Ireland is guilty.

by Bohs Fan Thu Apr 22, 2004 16:08

They robbed and burned the Bohs banner. This was a banner which showed the radical links of Bohs Fans - it had a Starry Plough and had been designed and made by Jer O'Leary. Jer usually makes Union banners.

by BohsPartisan - Sp Thu Apr 22, 2004 16:49

Rovers Ultras are not engaged in organising acts of violence, they make flags and banners and engage in a very silly clap.
The troublemakers at Rovers are not affiliated to the Ultras.

by Newshound Thu Apr 22, 2004 17:02

There's an LOI Show on between 8 and 9 pm on Newstalk 106 in Dublin on a Thursday night - should be some good discussion of the incidents on there tonight.

by "John" the witness after Marcus. - V Thu Apr 22, 2004 17:04 .

my dad was on the russian front.
my mum was in Joy Division.
my brother was chloroformed in the heart.
He was eighteen months old.
They took his eyes and made them blue.
They practised heart transplants on his body for a month. They fed the sonderkomando what was left.
My dad was on the russian front.
He fought. He fought. He fought bravely I tell you.
My Mum was in Joy Division.
She fought she fought she fought bravely I tell you.
My Brother he was injected in the heart.
He fought He fought He fought.

We fight.
We are hated.
We are despised.
We are made again the enemy, we again are seen as the responsible for the ghetto.

When I fight, I fight with my dad.
When I fight, I fight with my mum.
When I fight, I fight as Dalí lived, eternally with his dead brother.
When I was born, time itself was broken by the scream of abomination and outrage.
Which Holy mother of God did you pray to? you Sisters of Mercy?

Some day we will return to our promised land, of peace and Jerusalem we will build.
When the time is right, and my father and mother and my brother and all my sisters and all my monsters and all my brothers of grace are avenged.

Amen.
Shalom = Saleem.
¿now who are the master race?
We are all children of the Rasta Man, of Adam Kadmon, we are all the tribes of Israel, and amongst these dark satanic mills, we are building Jerusalem.
send a sms message to 5335.
put it "Forum" and a "blank" and the word that starts the Golem.
and you'll get a free ticket to the UNICEF 2004 forum of universal cultures.

Put your fear in a bottle and bring it to the beach where the angels poured the vile and let it float far and long, and someday it will be opened.

Revenge is sweet.
Cassandra & Nemesis.
Babylon, Megiddo, Yom Kippur, the Russian Front, camp X, Khyber, Os ama, Saudi, Grays, Reptiles, Heddas of God, Toads and the whole range of Sigourney Weaver abomination.
Hasta La Victoria Sempre,
for we are "spring cleaning" our forebears graves. And when we finish maybe we will take down those walls and build a highway through the desert where the only flowers that bloom are called Sharon. For they have taken even our prophecies from us, they took even our God from us, but we were always the first of the readers, the Primo Levi.

Now will you wear the star of our David?
Will you paint in it's true colours?
of Black and Red and White and Green?
For we have no need of Blue eyes and White white skin anymore.


Shalom = Saleem = PAX

by Hoops man Thu Apr 22, 2004 17:17

Was there a rebuttal published?

by LTFC Thu Apr 22, 2004 18:33

It is rubbish to say that Shamrock Rovers Ultras are all hooligans. They are just hard core supporters. Most European clubs have Ultras.

There is an element that goes to Rovers games to cause trouble; there are Walter Mitty types who see themselves as part of a "firm". They use Rovers as a flag of convenience.

If some of these boys met a real firm, they would shit their pants !

As for the Guards, they were shite last Friday night, everyone knows "Doyle’s Corner" is where the trouble will be, Then a rovers fan was assaulted by a steward and the Guards looked on !

On a serious point, I fear for the policing of the Mayday protests. I am an FF member, any LTFC fan will know who I am. I mightn’t agree with everything people are protesting about on Mayday but I respect the right to protest and free speech and not to be harassed by the police who seek to use confrontational tactics.

by SRFC Ultras - Rovers Against Racism Thu Apr 22, 2004 18:41

Just to point out that we were confronting racists and fascists a long, long time ago and the Herald's lies won't change that fact.

by Anti-Fascist Thu Apr 22, 2004 19:50

I read your initial report wrongly. I thought you meant the rebuttal had been published. Pity. I have let a few people know about it anyway.

by SRFC Fri Apr 23, 2004 14:22

never should have left Miltown.

by Peter - Silent Mystics Mon Apr 26, 2004 16:55 Inchicore

Sisters of Mercy.By indulging in student-wank poetry with the obligatory and boring dig at the white-man at the end,you draw attention to what you can't do(converse with people) more than what yo can--stalk Indymedia for bigoted,racist mental midgets who back up your self indulgent rot.Aaaahh.Ignorance is bliss.

by Dolyer rovers - srfc Wed May 26, 2004 20:12

Ive been a rovers fan for only three years and i have never seen fans been treated so badly by gardi and stewards .Any time there is trouble we are always blamed. The first bohs rover derby at the start of the year when the fight broke out it was blamed on rovers little or nothing was sad about bohs .so fuck the bohs we won four in a row.

by Red and Black Army Thu May 27, 2004 14:07

So you have been a Hoops fan for three years. So you have no memory of the four in a row.
Round these parts, we like to keep up to date with the present.

One
Two
Three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Eight
Nine
Ten
Ten long years and you've won fuck all.
Rovers-Rovers-Rovers

by Football supporter Sun May 07, 2006 22:24

A number of years ago I lived in Dundalk for a period of time and regularly went to Oriel Park. I had only one experince of a game against Shamrock Rovers. About 20 Rovers fans arrived into to middle of a crowd of several hundred Dundalk fans in the shed. They spent the entire first half ignoring the game and hurling abuse at the Dundalk fans. At half time they went off to the pub and came back about 20 minutes into the second half. As they walked up to the shed they started hurling rocks into the crowd hitting several people. The crowd turned and ran towards the far end of the ground away from the trouble and in the process a couple of people were knocked over and trampled on. Almost in unison the crowd relaised that they outnumbered the rovers fans by about 20 to 1 and turned and chased the yobs out of the ground.

I have to say it ruined the enjoyment of watching league of Ireland and I have rarely gone since and never to a game involvinh Shamrock Rovers.

by sportsman Mon May 08, 2006 09:55

Firstly; no-one with half a brain should believe anything they read in the HErald.

Secondly, saddoes who go to Rovers or Bohs or Dublin GAA matches to make a nuisance of themselves are a tiny minority.

Thirdly, those on the other extreme who harp on about anti-fascism are just as ridiculous and just as guilty of tieing irrelevancies on to Irish sport, and of imitating fringe groups in Britain. Surely the point of the "Eircom" League is that is NOT fkn English, or Scottish for that matter.

Enjoy your game, whatever it is, and support your team and forget about the b*shit.