FF invited to witness effects of cut-backs

by Badman Mon Oct 06, 2003 13:22

Ye managed to mention mr o shea's name 3 times in your short press release. I suppose the rest of us can stay at home, Mr O Shea is taking care of business.

This type of release is useful for reminding us that all politicians are bastards, even nutty RSF "let's all go back to the mystical celtic times" muppets.

by Mike M. Mon Oct 06, 2003 13:56

It is pleasing to know that there is no need whatsoever for a movement of the people in order to change the system. Evidently all that was needed all along was for some sensible person to invite "grass-roots" members of political parties to look at villages.

It's a funny thing, but I could have sworn that a large number of FFers were from small towns, villages and working class areas of cities - if this is the case then presumably they are acquainted with the effects of government policy and just don't care? I doubt even the inspiring words of a RSF local rep will change that.

So maybe the RSF approach, fiendishly clever though it is, may lack a little something - like mass participation?

And all politicians are bastards Badman? Ah now - poor oul Joe and Clare up in the Joy are bastards after all? Would anarchists be bastards if they were locked up for the same thing? Or is it the fact that Joe and Clare put themselves forward for election by the people in their communities that makes them bastards? or is it the fact that they actually got elected?

by Ailín Mon Oct 06, 2003 13:59

They ignore the message of the post and instead find the most petty thing to argue about. I think its standard practice for people to include their name on press releases. It handy as it lets people know who is actually releasing them. His name was in the release twice. One had his full name and the other had his surname. I added the bit at the bottom myself. I'm sorry if it offended you but please keep posting your witty observations as it means more people will look at the news releases. Thanks.

by Community Activist Mon Oct 06, 2003 15:15

Good to see yet another area isnt sitting on its arse and taking the cuts without a fight. There is more than one way to skin a cat!I think there are a number of strategies to fight back and this is an example of one of many. Personally, I am hoping that someone or some group announces a national day of action against the cuts where a massive demonstration can be organised at the Dail because it seems to be the only strategy that seems to get the politicans worried.

Nice to see RSF getting involved in community activity, its not normally an organisation I would associate with community development (probably because of my complete ignorance of RSF)

Keep up the good work

by Badman Mon Oct 06, 2003 15:52

"Good to see yet another area isnt sitting on its arse and taking the cuts without a fight."

RSF issued a press release; this is nothing to do with another area getting off its arse. I'd guess that RSF represent nobody and nothing in the area and the area will be firmly on its arse during the FF ard fheis. In fact the chances of FF taking up RSF's 'invitation' are so close to absolute zero that the atoms in the press release are themselves barely vibrating, which means that even the good mr o shea will be firmly on his arse during the ard fheis.

"Personally, I am hoping that someone or some group announces a national day of action against the cuts where a massive demonstration can be organised at the Dail"

It looks like you've been at one SWP meeting too many. Give it a few days and I bet that, Hey Presto, the SWP will have called for a "national day of action" and a "massive demonstration" - responding to the "popular anger" no doubt, as expressed by their members masquerading as "ordinary people" on indymedia. God don't you realise that language like that is only used by SWP drones?

"because it seems to be the only strategy that seems to get the politicans worried."

Oh come off it, what the hell are you talking about? Where is your evidence for this? Surely the recent lessons of political campaigns would firmly suggest that direct action is the only thing that gets the politicians worried. How many activists are in jail for massive demonstrations? Why did the lawyer for the Fingal CC say that 'we don't have any problem with protests or marches, it is only when they interfere with the service that we have a problem'. How worried was the government after February 15th? Jesus, I've really had it up to here with SWP muppets spouting this nonsense which runs counter to everything that we see around us. Cult-tastic.

"Nice to see RSF getting involved in community activity,"

Not so nice to see RSF getting involved in putting out press releases as if they were involved in community activity. What a pathetic bunch of do-nothing maggots they are.

by Ailín Tue Oct 07, 2003 00:34

RSF are very active in Ballylongford. They are substantially bigger than the provisionals in that area.

by community activist Tue Oct 07, 2003 01:54

Funny but you may not have noticed from your dublin 4 ivory tower that a student campaign recently managed to overturn a Government decision and that the SWP (a group that I have little interest in) played a significant role in mobilising the largest demonstration ever in Ireland, against the war in Iraq.

You however have, more than likely, done nothing in your misrable life for anyone but yourself.

by N Tue Oct 07, 2003 03:41

When all else fails just accuse your opponent of being from Dublin 4, I suppose that automatically makes him a "badman".
It is also inaccurate to claim that the SWP were significant in organising the Feb 15 demonstration. The response to the proposed war was largely spontaneous, and would have taken place whether or not the SWP even existed. Have to admit though, they are good at the self-publicity.

by Dublin 4 Tue Oct 07, 2003 04:18

The SWP were prominent in HIJACKING the recent anti-war movement with their monster banners, headed posters and annoying paper vendors.

by community Activist Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:36

I reserve the "Dublin 4" tag for those idiots who immediately scream hysterically when they see the word Republican. The West Britons have swallowed hook line and sinker the propoganda of British Imperialism that goes something like this; Republicans are all psycho's ergo to support them in any shape or form is tantamount to being complicit in murder.

I reserve the right and the intellectual independence to decide my own opinion on the actions of republican groups. I welcome RSF involvement in any campaign against injustice and I hope that through their work in such campaigns they will realise the overall futility of a military campaign to unite our country.

by Badman Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:54

people who squeal about west brits, anti-republicanism and D4 when these things have nothing to do with the argument.

I also reserve it for people who spout the inane language of SWP papers about marches that are always going to be massive.

I also reserve it for RSF. Community activist, this is an RSF press release. It nowhere mentions the existance of a campaign about anything. RSF issued an invitation to FF to come to see how shit the place is, as a pretence that they are involved in community campaigns; that's all that happened; there's no community campaign, no chance of the invitation being acted upon, nothing. My 10 year old cousin could have achieved the same if he'd been bothered to write a press release.

by pat c Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:42

at least one of the badman comments above is pure abuse and trolling. i have complained about this on the indy editorial list but it seems that since badman is an indy editor its not going to be deleted.

comments have been deleted for far less than this in the past.

one law for indy editors, another law for the rest of us.

by Aidan Tue Oct 07, 2003 13:20

Pat you can't recieve mails from me, because you have my address blocked, after that time a few months back when you claimed that I was in fact an impersonation of myself.

therefore I've copied the mail here for you to head.

Pat you've no evidence that Badman is an IMC editor, and you in the past of come out of arguments looking most foolish when you've made a similar claim before.
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**Please delete the comment below. The author has noway of knowing whether or not RSF are actively involved at a local level in Kerry. The reference to maggots is unwarranted bile. I wonder why the author didnt post this under his real name.***


And you have no idea if the author has any experience or knowledge of the subject.

Pat I'm not sure when your transformation into the
Mary Whitehouse of Indymedia.ie exactly occured, but if we were to hold you to the same criteria that you're using on others at the
moment, I'd be very busy deleting many of your comments from your first monthes on the site.

The article uses harsh language, but I think it's who he's attacking and not the language that has you annoyed, and I've
noticed that you've tried this excuse on posts whose politics you disagree with, to have the removed.

I don't have a problem with robust language on site, and I don't think you really do either.

Aidan

by pat c Tue Oct 07, 2003 13:51

"Pat you can't recieve mails from me, because you have my address blocked, after that time a few months back when you claimed that I was in fact an impersonation of myself.

therefore I've copied the mail here for you to head."

i'll unblock you! I would have thought I'd have got it if it had been sent to imc editorial.

"Pat you've no evidence that Badman is an IMC editor, and you in the past of come out of arguments looking most foolish when you've made a similar claim before."

Yes I do. One of the IMC Editors posts as Badman. He has admitted that to me but says it wasnnt him that posted on this occasion. it is fairly widely known that the editor in question posts under that name.


"**Please delete the comment below. The author has noway of knowing whether or not RSF are actively involved at a local level in Kerry. The reference to maggots is unwarranted bile. I wonder why the author didnt post this under his real name.***


And you have no idea if the author has any experience or knowledge of the subject."

That does not deal with whether or not Badman had any info on the subject. If someone posts a press release they generally have some knowledge of the topic. Or are you going to question every poster from now on?

"Pat I'm not sure when your transformation into the
Mary Whitehouse of Indymedia.ie exactly occured, but if we were to hold you to the same criteria that you're using on others at the
moment, I'd be very busy deleting many of your comments from your first monthes on the site. "

And quite a few of your own would have to be deleted as well. All I am asking for is an even handed approach.

"The article uses harsh language, but I think it's who he's attacking and not the language that has you annoyed, and I've
noticed that you've tried this excuse on posts whose politics you disagree with, to have the removed. "

No its not who he is attacking, I have made it clear that I have serious political disagreements with RSF. I also do not support the CIRA.

You have deleted comments on the grounds of abuse and trolling for less than this. Again all I am asking for is a level playing pitch.


"I don't have a problem with robust language on site, and I don't think you really do either."

I will keep an eye on your future deletions then.

by community activist Tue Oct 07, 2003 13:53

Firstly, you haven't even attempted to reply to the point I made regarding the recent success of the Students campaign against fees.

Your post "guesses" that RSF are doing little but writing press statements. Well I'd rather go on something more concrete than a guess. Wait and see if the FFers turn up, the dynamics of FF outside Dublin is different than in the city. FF tend to be even more populist (if thats possible) than in the capital. They are dealing with smaller margins to get elected and are lothe to upset anybody. You have seen in recent days the mumerings of a handful of FF backbenchers on the smoking ban and their reluctance to annoy their publican support.

As regards a mass mobilisation, its obvious you are firmly stuck in your ivory tower if you dont realise the extent of anger and fustration in working class communities at the present cuts. I know that Clondalkin community groups (not SWP branches) are discussing the possibility of a day of action sometime in December all I am hoping is that their demonstration can be a National event.

You obviously misread my post as I said that the SWP helped organise the anti war demo's and were the driving force behind the IAWM. Yes they hijacked it for their own selfish use (PR for RBB) but they were allowed to a certain extent because other forces in the IAWM wouldn't challenge their control. It still doesn't take away the fact that they did play a significant role.

The bin charges isn't yet attracting enough support at demonstrations to worry politicians, I don't think there has been a demo thats attracted over 1,000 (maybe Im wrong) there are reasons for this like the fact that the non collection has not been extended to Dublin City yet. Quoting a public servant's press statement from fingal is misleading- he/she will not be up for re-election next year and which ever way the people vote his/her job is permanent and pensionable.

Instead you take offence at being labelled D4 (too close to the bone?)

Finally, I can live with an arsehole calling me a muppet but I take offence with being called an Swimmie, the Jesuits of the Left.

by Degenerate Tue Oct 07, 2003 14:09

"I don't think there has been a demo thats attracted over 1,000 (maybe Im wrong) there are reasons for this like the fact that the non collection has not been extended to Dublin City yet."

Yes you are wrong. At least two so far with higher numbers. What community are you active in -the amish one?

by Aidan Tue Oct 07, 2003 14:19

****Yes I do. One of the IMC Editors posts as Badman. He has admitted that to me but says it wasnnt him that posted on this occasion. it is fairly widely known that the editor in question posts under that name.****

You can claim. I can say honestly I have no idea who it is. As you yourself know, people can post anonymously and take anothers name. Please don't fling that accusation around so casually.


***That does not deal with whether or not Badman had any info on the subject. If someone posts a press release they generally have some knowledge of the topic. Or are you going to question every poster from now on?***

By author I was refering to Badman. And you're not aware of their knowledge on the subject.

****And quite a few of your own would have to be deleted as well. All I am asking for is an even handed approach.****

But I'm not the one demanding the deletions am I Pat? And if it was the the case that you're asking for a "even handed approach",why aren't you demanding that the post here;

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=61482&PHPSESSID=7ebad35cd9bcc30ce96b90460e239295

Which suggests johnny adair is a bedwetter be removed?

***No its not who he is attacking, I have made it clear that I have serious political disagreements with RSF. I also do not support the CIRA.***

I really have no interest in your political squabbles with whatever faction. What it is clear is you demanded that two comments which paint republicans in a poor light be removed, in the same morning, and this is not an isolated incident.

***You have deleted comments on the grounds of abuse and trolling for less than this. Again all I am asking for is a level playing pitch.***

I really don't think you are. A decision (which I disagreed with) was made that certain specific trolls would have their posts targeted as the were becoming a nuisance. I think you are using this to try and remove posts whose political viewpoint you disagree with.

RSF have been called much worse in the established media and I think they can survive this.

***I will keep an eye on your future deletions then***

I can hardly contain my excitement.

by pat c Tue Oct 07, 2003 14:31

"Final post on this matter"

Knowing you, I doubt that.


"****Yes I do. One of the IMC Editors posts as Badman. He has admitted that to me but says it wasnnt him that posted on this occasion. it is fairly widely known that the editor in question posts under that name.****

You can claim. I can say honestly I have no idea who it is. As you yourself know, people can post anonymously and take anothers name. Please don't fling that accusation around so casually."

I am not flinging it around casually. If you doubt it then raise it on the editorial list. I repeat: An indy editor posts as Badman.


"By author I was refering to Badman. And you're not aware of their knowledge on the subject. "

Neither are you so aware, so your comment is superflous.


"But I'm not the one demanding the deletions am I Pat? "

No, you are not demanding deletions. You just delete the comments that annoy you.

"And if it was the the case that you're asking for a "even handed approach",why aren't you demanding that the post here;

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=61482&PHPSESSID=7ebad35cd9bcc30ce96b90460e239295

Which suggests johnny adair is a bedwetter be removed? "

I hadnt read it, unlike you i dont have endless time to trawl through threads. But I will support you if you want that comment deleted on the grounds of trolling.


"I really have no interest in your political squabbles with whatever faction. What it is clear is you demanded that two comments which paint republicans in a poor light be removed, in the same morning, and this is not an isolated incident. "

If that is the case then why do you point to those 2 requests? Why dont you point out that I have sought the deletion of many comments abusing the SP. SWP and Labour?


I have lifted the block on your email address. Once again we can exchange sweet nothings.

by community activist Tue Oct 07, 2003 15:13

You will have to do better than that. When? Where? How many?

by Degenerate Tue Oct 07, 2003 15:56

I don't think so.
And I don't feel the need to try harder. You use the moniker of Activist and give reasons as to why the campaign hasn't had a crowd of over 1,000. Amazing that - when it has.
Let me help empower you. Indymedia has a search engine plus the two leading stories on the front page has all kinds of links to bin related stories. Click and find out. Unless of course you need a leader to keep you informed.

by Community Activist Tue Oct 07, 2003 16:05

I stand corrected. I was out of the country on the 30th for a week so I am wrong.

by Sean MacAodh Tue Oct 07, 2003 21:41 tiocfaidharlaa at yahoo dot co dot uk

Ailin... you bad bad man. Look at all the trouble you've caused these people. :D