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category cork | anti-war / imperialism | news report author Thursday September 04, 2003 10:53author by NewsInfo Report this post to the editors

War loving, racist and a bad, bad boy

911 Mayor and Zero tolerance guru Rudolph Giuliani will be speaking at the MBAAI 'leadership conference' at the Silver Springs Moran Hotel, Tivoli, Cork on FRIDAY SEPT. 19.

Tickets MBAAI 01-2074456

http://www.counterpunch.org/tristam01152003.html
Triumphal Parallels in Command Time
>From Rudy Guiliani to George W. Bush
by PIERRE TRISTAM

Giuliani's New York had a blind spot for that recurrent disease of cowboy
police forces--the superiority complex. by Pierre Tristam After he was
kicked, punched and sodomized with a broomstick by two of New York City's
"finest" at a Brooklyn police precinct in 1997, Abner Louima told a story.

As the officers terrorized him, he said, they chanted how it was "Giuliani
time, not Dinkins time," a reference to Rudolph Giuliani, then at the end of
his first of two triumphalist terms as mayor, after the disastrous
administration of David Dinkins.

Louima sued, and two months before the attacks on the World Trade Center he
reached an $8.75 million settlement with the city and the Patrolmen's
Benevolent Association.

By then he had admitted that he made up the "Giuliani time" remark. But made
up or not, the remark had to be invented. It summed up Giuliani's faintly
fascist regime of martial policing that had given New York the feel of a
secure perimeter rather than a freewheeling city, so that even the New York
Times called him the "Mussolini of Manhattan" in a headline a few months
after his reelection, when, DiCaprio-style, he'd yelled "I am the king of
the world" to television cameras. He kicked off a new round of Little Hitler
jokes when he announced plans for a $15 million bombproof "emergency control
center" on--where else, the 23rd floor of the World Trade Center.

By then the NYPD's "stop & frisk" tactic had become an endemic and racist
harassment tool--175,000 cases in a 15-month period about the time of the
attack on Louima, with blacks and Hispanics overwhelmingly targeted (Louima
is a Haitian black).

There was the guy shot dead while arguing about a fender bender on a city
bridge, the guy dragged out of his bedroom at gunpoint, the guy shot dead in
the kitchen of the restaurant where he worked, all shot by cops, all part of
3,500 lesser-known Giuliani Time police misconduct cases--the ones that led
to lawsuits, anyway--which, cumulatively, cost New York City taxpayers $177
million in settlements over eight years.

Giuliani's New York, "where our life is secure and dignity is preserved," in
the words of an NYPD video, had a blind spot for that recurrent disease of
cowboy police forces--the superiority complex. At Giuliani's command, who
truly thought himself Mayor of the World well before Time Magazine crowned
him as such, the NYPD's superiority complex was bound to be bloody.
Giuliani's metamorphosis after Sept. 11 was truly great, and as Newsweek put
it recently, "Rudy Giuliani found his voice" that day. But for too many New
Yorkers, it was eight years late.

None of this should be too relevant now except for city historians. Giuliani
is out of power. He's finally harmless. Yet it is too relevant for comfort,
because it's hard not to see close parallels between Giuliani and President
Bush, two men who've been feeding off of each other's blood-born popularity
ever since that horrible day, which they continue to use and abuse to their
political advantage with buzzard-like rapacity. There are disturbing
parallels between Giuliani's brown-shirt rule before Sept. 11 and Bush's
since, between Giuliani's revanchist reign over New York and Bush's avenging
foreign policy, between Giuliani's shoot-first mentality and Bush's contempt
for doubt, between the once-Mayor of the World and the would-be King of the
World. New York City before Sept. 11 is the United States since then:
Suspicious, arbitrary, discriminating, secretive, and policing above all,
but mostly above the law.

What this means for the armed forces as they campaign and rampage through
foreign lands for no better reason than because the president has a hunch
that safety in Iowa or Flagler Beach lies in obliterating many thousand
souls seven time zones away isn't clear yet, if entirely unreassuring. What
it has already meant for the country is very clear. Giuliani Time has
yielded to Bush Time.

And for a crowning parallel, Bush has given the nation its own "emergency
control center." It is proportionally more expensive, more lumbering and
more useless than the one Giuliani put on the 23rd floor of the World Trade
Center. Calling it the Department of Homeland Security even gives it that
brown-shirt tint the Giuliani-Bush school of security designers are so fond
of. After greeting its inception with a season of derision back in 1998, the
press politely kept its ironists' mouths shut when the original command
center ended up at New York's Fresh Kills dump, along with other remains
from Ground Zero. Mouths are unfortunately still mostly shut about the new
department and most other Bush-born crocks. It's Bush Time, and it's
jamming.

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author by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireannpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:15author email info at fiannaeireann dot comauthor address Dublinauthor phone Report this post to the editors

It is sad when people deem people like him as a "hero". I think people are labelled that with far too much hast these days.
The real heros are the freedom fighters of this world, who do so not for glory or for personal gain. The doctors and nurses doing their thankless jobs, saving lives daily. The voluntary workers in the third world etc.
Granted, he was a source of comfort for the people of New York at a difficult time. But he made a lot of money from it all and how much of that did he put back into the fund for the victims? Not a lot me thinks.......

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author by iosafpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Corkonians now is your chance!
Pie the man who in the name of a safer NYC sent disadvantaged black youth to prison, where they still remain.

author by rudypublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 14:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

a great book was recently published about rudy, and how he left new york in such terrible conditions. it's called The Full Rudy, not sure of the author.

author by Ac idpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 17:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

didnt the crime rate fall dramatically in NY when he was in charge?

author by Cinquopublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 17:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yup, it was probably reduced to the level of crime in Saudi Arabia. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

author by nyc-erpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 19:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

oh please please dont let this fucker be welcome in cork. he used to list on his nyc web site as a badge of honor the exclusion of lesbians and gay men from the nyc st patricks day parade. he personally tried to identify who was irish and who was not.
additionally about the crime stuff. look at the whole picture sexual assaults rose, bias attacks rose, homeless people were arrested so the good straight moneyed people of ny didn't have to see them. his administration is still responsible for the most ever paid out in settlements to people that dared dissent (ie he had people arrested and held for the use of free speech)

author by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireannpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 19:42author email info at fiannaeireann dot comauthor address Dublinauthor phone Report this post to the editors

The crime figures indeed did go down and if he did get tough on the scum who make ordinary citizens lives a misery, then I can't see anything wrong with that, no matter what the sad lefty brigade say.
But that doesn't mean he wasn't a war monger like his friend and confidant Mr Bush and a right wing prick...;-)

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author by Chekovpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 20:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

In line with trends which were underway before Giuliani got into power.

The prison figures continued to go up, as they did across the US. Today I believe there are about 2 million people in prison in the US, a proportion of society imprisoned that can only have been paralleled in history by the 'communist' dictatorships in Russia, China and elsewhere - pretty impressive really for the champion of the free world. An enormous number of these prisoners (don't have exact figures to hand) are imprisoned for possession of drugs - a recreational activity.

Giuliani pushed much of the visible poverty out of central Manhattan into places like the South Bronx and Eastern Brooklyn, swept under the carpet. The morgues, like the prisons, filled up. The NYPD killed several hundred 'suspects', as they operated with total impunity during his reign. Some of the victim statements during the period are reminiscent of the horror and depravity of Pinochet's reign, like the notorious Louima plunger incident.

Call me a sad lefty if you will, but I'd like to see that fucker getting the plunger treatment himself. Yeh he got tough on the scum who make ordinary citizens lives a misery, but the scum was the entire working population of new york, especially the minorities, and the ordinary citizens were the manhattan millionaires who didn't want the ugly sight of poverty hanging around the place. Tiocfaidh, if he was transported to Northern Ireland, who do you think would be the scum?

author by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireannpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 21:33author email info at fiannaeireann dot comauthor address Dublinauthor phone Report this post to the editors

I see your point but I'm not in total agreement with the man, as I don't proclaim to know the full history or politics of the man.
I have no doubt as to who he would deem to be scum in "Northern Ireland". What capitalist in the world would deem a revolutionary movement as anything else?
I can also well understand who he decided to "get tough" with. No great surprise there of course but I am not of the opinion to feel sorry for all criminals who come from disadvantaged backgrounds. I came from one of these backgrounds and I've done alright for myself. I don't care what background any criminal comes from, I have very little sympathy for them. You can make exceptions in some cases but generally speaking I stand by what I've said.
The harsh reality is maybe that obviously most crime comes from these disadvantaged areas, hence why the crack down would of befallen these areas? Although then of course the argument arises, what was done in the not so disadvantaged areas? I'm sure very little.

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author by >>>>>Seáinínpublication date Thu Sep 04, 2003 22:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You people seem to be from some parallel universe. It's not Rudy's fault if most crimes are committed by blacks. You people are so pathetic it buggers belief.

author by crabadán linbhpublication date Fri Sep 05, 2003 00:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What is Rudy Guiliani doing in Ireland, now really? That's the most pathetic thing I've heard in weeks.
The crime rate reduction was due to the rewriting of police statistics and the 9/11 thing was just being at the right place at the right time. As a new-york born individual living abroad I must say that no mayor of new york in my lifetime ever did a damn thing to clean up the mess in harlem or the bronx. To blame or praise a leader for a crisis is ridiculous. The people themselves held together. No credits to Rudi's account, please!
Why judge a nation on the actions of their political leader and vice versa? And who is he to say who's allowed to march in an American St. Paddy's parade? Man, this crap has been going on in Boston since the beginning of time.

author by berniebirdpublication date Fri Sep 05, 2003 02:10author address new yorkauthor phone Report this post to the editors

all the interesting cats who walked manhattan 12 years ago when i first came over are gone now- manhattan is a no-go zone for homeless people (of course, that doesn't mean there are no homeless people)... ask the ABC No Rio or the punks at the Mars Bar (1st and 1st) what they think of Giuliani...
i was only ever mugged once, before Giulianis time, a revolver in the face at three a.m. ... I gave the guy ten bucks, which was about 10% of what was in my wallet, and then he went away to score his rock or whatever... Course these days it could never be so casual, the mugging's gotta count- and they're all in the boroughs- yeah sure the figures look great for manhattan.....
Rumors stateside of Giuliani making governorship or even future presidency bids... pie this guy now- he's all about the police state...

author by lone gunmanpublication date Sat Sep 06, 2003 19:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The most annoying woman to ever set foot in the white house.Meddled in US politics,buys a 3million dollar house in the most upmarket leftist,liberal area on NY state ,and that entitles her to run for senatorship on New York? What does a red necked liberal laweyer know about NYC?nothing apart from being liberal,and left
Half my family comes from New York.I havent ben there since the Eighties.New York was a shit hole then,is now, and always will be.It is a city like any other big and filthy.Ok they cleaned up the grafiiti, made the subways safer,etc,etc. But it still doesnt change the street animals life.Wether you have left or right in charge there it wont change.Thats why I moved then to Commiefornia[formerly California].

author by ???publication date Sat Sep 06, 2003 19:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm sure loony gunman would object to most women running the White House, not just Hillary Clinton. Or maybe the brits could send Mad Maggie over just to please him.

Still when you look at what has happened over the past two years, its amazing how a couple of destroyed buildings could cause a fearful country to follow blindly into a foolish and stupid war.

author by bbpublication date Sat Sep 06, 2003 22:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

.....two foolish wars!

author by ddpublication date Sat Sep 06, 2003 22:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Indeed, two wars (not to mention the Bush family legacy of involvement in so many other bloodbaths) but wait and see what Lonely has to say about the previous posting...

author by moipublication date Mon Sep 08, 2003 00:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"a couple of destroyed buildings " ?
Is that all it was?

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