Free State Militia

by Kev Wed Jul 30, 2003 19:43

So does this mean that if I enlist in the volunteer force I can bust underage drinkers and keep their beer (And anything else I may find?)

Will we see 100s of 'failed cops' (ie security guards and doormen) signing up to exert their authorithAI? Will I finally be able to get into a pub without being asked to 'remove the hat' or told 'no trainers'?

Will these people be subject to democratic control (HA!), or will they be another wing of the state that is 'above the law'?

Will they be wearing brown/black/blue shirts?

Hmmmm, I wonder...

Heil McDowell

by iosaf Wed Jul 30, 2003 21:20

about the age of "child X" when her uncle got her pregnant, which we all agree is young, I was given an armband by the school teacher and told I was to be a litter warden.
Apparantly I was to stand in the schoolyard and remonstrate with those who dropped litter on the ground. I refused this symbol of authority and "trust" recognising that this tactic was and still is used by educationalists to "silence" trouble children.
I hope this aside is helpful to all those considering a career in the black and tans, the politics of modern Irish feminism and fertility and the waste issue in Galway.

and so to bed as they say.

by lone gunman Wed Jul 30, 2003 23:39

The reserve Gaurds are going to be old and retired ex gardai.Cant have "mere civillians" in the Gardai reserve now can we?Got to keep it in the family!Dont worry it will be a clusterfuck as usual.
As for private security firms.Good more employment for the security industry.If the Gaurds allow it.Since the security act 2001 is a farscial fuck up I doubt that rent a cop will be allowed to gaurd "vital institutions" of the state.
BTW Red coats had nothing to do with fox hunting.It was the traditional great coat of the British army since 1776.The irish yeomanary were actually made up of 2/3 catholic recruits.

Still and all I would love a job as a reserve garda riot cop.Get to meet you all on a protest.
full body armour,full helmet& visor,riot stick,no numbers and the right to kick Hairy ass and take names.HOOOBA.Where are the plastic bullets??

by fat freddy's cat Thu Jul 31, 2003 02:55

ah lone gunman, would this increased employment for those lovely security folk involve better screening than for those rentacops which as far as i can tell from my time working in shops are in fact what you might call a protection racket, a load of useless oaf powertrippers who like to keep the cash flowing in being given some real authority is not what you want if you are so fond of law and order. you dont have to follow blindly, real dedication to an ideal involves protesting at its corruption. If as you wish, less accountable riot police were to deal with riots dont you think the other side might be less willing to be peaceful and out of fear prepare to counter such aggression, all of which detracts from the point of the protest, which in this country is quite frankly a reaction to rampant corruption, from what you say you love the law so why not uphold it or are you just a lapdog, who wishes to fumble in a greasy till.

by Seáinin Thu Jul 31, 2003 03:11

Are you saying the Gardai are above the law? Well, how do you account for the recent investigation in Donegal?

It's simply not good enough to throw around glib comments like this. It's just rabble rousing.

by Ruairi Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:43

Recent invesigation? Check out the status of the now closed enquiry! Corruption, lies, tricks...the lot - and the conclusion? 'somebody knows something!'.............

Tribunals etc. are part of 'their' apparatus.....

by Anthony Perry Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:46

Mr. Gunman, I was stating that the red coat worn by fox hunters of today is a relic of the origins of most packs as yeomanry corps raised in addition to the militia and regular army (who also wore red coats as your extensive research uncovered). This is historical fact. The red coat was worn by yeomen since the reign of Henry 8, the first permanent Brit army was raised in 1645 and adopted the colour.

The proportion of Catholic recruits in the yeomen varied considerably from corps to corps and time to time. Not that anyone's religion should be a factor but the officers were usually 90-100% ascendancy. Wealth and power will never have a problem attracting hired thugs of whatever religion, be they soldiers or hunt followers.

by lone Gunman Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:37

Fat freddy,
Yeah, some proper screening would be in order,as per proposed security act.however it is doubtful such will happen.Dont blame the men blame the companies that hire them.cheap is the way any security company will go.Reckon next year it will be violent what with the Irish presidency of the EU.So give as you get on both sides.

Anthony,
why is referred the huntsmans coat as "hunting pink"?.The gentry would have been horrified to have been associated with the milita of Ireland or England.The upper class bought their comissions in the regiments.The yeomanary was considerd middle or working class,and for its officers no doubt the majority were English.however if the Catholics were so oppressed it is doubtful they were attracted to it for power.Money,and some sort of living standard above an animal would be more like.Cant see the connection between hunt followers and yeomanary though.

by Kev - I fought the law - guess who won? Thu Jul 31, 2003 17:22

So we have the Morris Tribunal and the Abbeylara investigation, and the cop with child porn.

Three investigations do not an accountable force make.

The investigations do raise a more serious matter... ie how did they get away with it for so long? Where was the accountability THEN, when the crimes were actually TAKING PLACE?

Now I'm not saying all cops are cunts, far from it, but I've met a few too many of these boyos to ever have any trust in them.

IF you wanna use argument by anecdote, then lets see,

about six years ago a friend of mine was going out with the daughter of a copper. he went along to this Garda bash one night and told me that a large amount of these coppers left the place pissed outta their brains, and then got in their cars and drove home. (Road traffic act?)

More recently, a friend of mine (fair enough a mouthy little bastard) had the shite knocked out of him in a cell. This guy suffers from various illnesses (he nearly died once), but this didn't stop the upholders of the law. They didn't let him make his call, and even when a family member rang the cop shop to see if he was there they said he wasn't. For whatever reason, he didn't go to the doctor straight away (the feckin eegit). About a month later, he was served with a summons for ASSUALTING A GARDA!!! He's up in court next month.

A brother of a different friend was recently given a six month curfew. Now, it could have been a lot worse (18 months in Clover Hill), but when he got home, he was told by a prominent local garda, that "this is not the end of it for you". What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Personally, a while back I gave some lip to a passing paddy wagon. I didn't think anything of it, and carried on into the take-away. Next thing I know I'm dragged out of the take away and confronted by four huge cops. The question they asked me was "So, do you think I'm a motherfucker?" - How the hell do you answer that? Anyway, I thought we had certain democratic freedoms that enable us to let people know what we think of them, wearing a uniform or not. Apperantly not. Anyway, I was threatened with being driven ten miles outside town and left walk back to my house. Nice. Do they not have any 'real crime' to be bothered with?

And finally, once I was threatened with 'a night in a cell' in Celbridge. My crime? 'stealing' a copy of the Kildare Times. The Kildare Times, for those of you who don't know, is a FREE paper. I tried to explain this apparent paradox to the cop, but he accused me of semantics or something. At this time i was a student in Bangor (Wales), and having looked at my Usit card, the fat cop looked up at me (he didn't even have the decency to get out of the car) and says in the boodiest bogger accent: "Ye might git away with dis kinda ting in Baaaang-gor, but not on my patch". Classic. I had to hold back the laughter, while my mates were pissing themselves behind me.

I have a few stories about 'good cops' too...

by Kev Thu Jul 31, 2003 17:23

Real big man aren't ye? I bet whacking a crusty with a baton would give you a mighty hard-on. Better than viagra,

by concerned citizen Thu Jul 31, 2003 19:25

I think this will turn out to be a largely pseudo right-wing vigilante type force.
The question of who they are, will they be accountable and so forth will be interesting.

The current practise of Garda regulary hiding their numbers, the RTS thing, the way the
Garda are defending the criminal act by the government of allowing the use of Shannon and
the general harrassement of AntiWar protestors + marches, plane spotters and so on doesn't
fill me with much hope.

Will it be used like the way the B-Specials were in the North? From what I have heard so far
it seems like they will be called up when needed and quickly demobilized afterwards.

Perhaps the government realizes that once the full blast of globalization hits -when they
finally try to fully privatize our health and education after they are finished doing the
same to Dublin Bus, waste collection and our water -the general population will get increasingly
restless and they will need a much larger force to deal with the situation then.

by Phuq Hedd Thu Jul 31, 2003 19:55

says that the private security guards will be used in government buildings including museums and they will be given the power to detain people.

Anyone able to clarify this? What extra powers of detention beyond citizens arrest is needed and why has that power (if it exists) been restricted to only the Gardai? (Is it because Gardai are supposed to go through training and be selected as more responsible people than the average rent-a-pig? If so is McDowell then giving up implicitly on the idea of higher standards in the Gardai?).

by lone gunman Thu Jul 31, 2003 22:29

If all of your last post is true.And you were so fucking thick as to mouth off like that to the porkies,then yeah you really deserve everything you got!But then I reckon if I hit you with a nite stick you would be so thick as not to feel it anyway.

phuq head
Nope.Private security has already got that right to detain you.IE suspicion of shoplifting,tresspassing,etc.It is simply citzens arrest .Which everyone in this state has the right to exercise during a felony crime[robbery,murder,GBH ,theft etc].The Garda training is more extensive because it covers needless to say everything from law to marching in step.Doubt that some of those farmers in uniform are smarter than some hairies.

by Kev Fri Aug 01, 2003 02:44

You don't call police 'motherfuckers' anywhere on earth. It's an offence to mouth off at police (disturbing the peace or something like that) and is so for very sensible reasons.

You don't think of consequences or what society would be like with everyone behaving like you do.

I hope you grow up someday, but I've encountered a few people like you in their 40s and 50s. Low IQ I suppose.

by Kev (the real one) Fri Aug 01, 2003 16:01

my point was instead of arresting me for 'breach of the peace' (HA!) or whatever, they threatend to leave me ten miles outside town. Now as far as I'm aware, THAT is also against the law. Once you are in plice costudy they are under obligation to ensure your safety, yes/no?

however, we should have the right to call anyone we feel like it a motherfucker, or a cunt, or a dickhead or whatever. aren't we *supposed* to have freedom of speech? but somehow a uniform puts people above criticsm.

Oh and I'm obvioulsy thick. Anyone who doesn't swallow the bullshit they are fed are obvioulsy also thick. Noam Chomsky for example, god his IQ must be about what 16? (not that I'm comparing myself to chomsky!)

by Kev Fri Aug 01, 2003 18:09

i am actually sorry that I took that course of action. But I was young (it was four years ago). And as they say, its better to regret something you have done than something you haven't.

And I don't hate all cops, in fact a friend of mine recently applied to join the Manchester Met.

I do have severe problems, however, with the institution of the police, many of its members and the lack of democracy/accountabilty. Like I said before, three inquiries does not an accountable police force make.