Raids and Arrests in Armagh City

by Sophie Wed May 14, 2003 15:55

I am a foreign reader, and do not be familiar with all Irish political parties, what is the difference between Sinn Fein and Republican Sinn Fein?

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Wed May 14, 2003 17:25 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

Irony is dead: Heh, very good.

Sophie: Basically, members of Sinn Fein are willing, and have been since 1986 to take seats in the Southern parliament. Republican Sinn Fein are not.

Sinn Fein is willing to take their seats in Stormont now that protections for the Nationalist community have been met as part of our struggle to advance the creation of an All-Ireland state. RSF is not.

Sinn Fein believes the support from the republican community for armed struggle does not currently exist, nor does the context that makes it necessary. RSF disagrees.

Sinn Fein supports the full implementation of the GFA. RSF does not.

Sinn Fein has significantly more political support than RSF which I believe is restricted to a couple of councillors in isolated parts of te country.

Basically, both parties want the same thing and are working for the same thing but differ hugely about the best way to bring it about.

by sophie ;-) Thu May 15, 2003 11:12

even if RSF can do the "windscale=sellafield" thing.
@ least they don't do "THORP=windscale=sellafield".
and I suppose they haven't done an RTS yet.
but we'll wait.

by iosaf Thu May 15, 2003 14:16

mr O Bradaigh and chums do not recognise the Dail of the Majorioty IRish state.
they are like @narkists in this regard.
But they think the armed struggle for self determination is still a viable option.

anarchists dont think this.

think about this.

BASICALLY
with no "ifs and no BUTS"
Ruairi O Bradhaigh
thinks Irish men and women should still risk death and incarceration fighting the UK.

Ruairi O BRadhaigh we presume has not seen active service for over thirty years, but he is more than willing to encourage others to do it.

what do you think about that?
Sophie how would you feel if in your cvountry there was an anceint man who is mostly incomprehensible muttering about the Brits and encouraging young men and women to volunteer and face such serious odds?
Wouldn't that piss you off?
yes.
so I'll say it for you will I?

FUCK OFF RUAIRI O BRADAIGH:
NO MORE DEATHS FOR THE REPUBLIC:

by Cleo Thu May 15, 2003 14:49

There no harm in free speech. Nobody likes the brits, given their track record for underhandedness, dirty tricks and double dealing. Unfortunately killing them off in this country may be enjoyable but it doesn't solve the problem in the long run. It is best for all the people of this country protestant and catholic if we keep on our toes and expose the brits underhandedness, let them see the error of their crooked ways, someday it may sink in and they may realise how babaric, unfair and unjust they are. That maybe asking too much though. We'll wait and see.

by sophie ;-) Thu May 15, 2003 16:22

i have google for GFA. and it is guitar festival USA.
What does GFA mean?

why do Irish people want its implementation?
do all Irish people agrree on that one?
why dont RSF?
& hi Iosaf!
you get the questions answered.

by ...(writer) Thu May 15, 2003 20:21

Your name sounds familiar.

The GFA is the Good Friday Agreement, which is a palimpsest set in stone on many tablets of stone which articulates in preciously cut prose the framework for political, social and economic relations between the States of Ireland and the United Kingdom.

It does have certain disadvatages not least of which it fortified the role of Washington as supreme arbitor in Irish and British affairs.
This may have been symbolised by the choice by Bush to stay in Hillsborough castle upon his only visit to Ireland.

The two party political leaders who oppose the GFA are Ruairi and Ian. They are of similar age.

The GFA has certain advantages which helped it gain the majority of voters support when polled simulatenously in both Irish states.

One of those may be familiar to you if you come from West Vlaanderen do you?

by iosaf Thu May 15, 2003 20:23

as you know Sophie (I feel we have so much in common) allows for both political cultural ethnic peoples of the Kingdom of Belgium to "share power" with "parity of esteem".

by sophie;-) Thu May 15, 2003 20:26

what does párity of estéem mean?

by iosaf Thu May 15, 2003 20:28

You see (@ the link) that when I referred to the GFA as a palimpsest, though I may have misspellt the word I was accurate in @ least three of the accepted meanings of the word ·palimpsest·

The GFA is a diplomatic document.
thoiugh curiously its french version is rarely subject to scrutiny.

You will remember that we explored the meanings of french diplomacy last year.

by iosaf Thu May 15, 2003 20:30

last year we looked at the odd world rule of holding the french version of a treaty to be linguisticaly more accurate.
(IT was about the time Eoin Dubsky got appointed pleni-potentiary) by Mr O'asif.

by sophie;-) Thu May 15, 2003 20:31

& is this how we twist the thread into a reflection on Anarchists and the recognition of the 2nd Daíl?

by iosaf Thu May 15, 2003 20:34

yes indeed as an anarchist of good faith I had no right to appoint anyone as a pleni-potentiary for saying it just so perfectly one week back in 2002, and in some ways that's the problem with really old and ancient Republicans like Ruairi.

In a sort of way he is the ·real thing·, no movement from the past, 16 Moore Street never got lived in by others, and the country didn't slowly and bloodily learn its place in what became the ·imperialist power·.

In their Ireland 16 Moore Street only gots it plaque (a palimpsest if you look carefully at the photos), and the Brits and Washington still were different.

Do you have Washington in West Vlaanderen Land?

by sophie;-) Thu May 15, 2003 20:35

Belgium is trying to prosecute a U.S. general with war crimes.
The lawyer though is a walloon so you maybe its not a west vlaanderen thing I dont really know.

by garlic Thu May 15, 2003 20:40

Sophie Iosaf
Sellafield Windscale
the Maze Long Kesh
RUC PSNI
treat them the same.

Ian Ruairi
likewise.

21st century.
@our future
our last document stands.

by i am just too good @ this Thu May 15, 2003 20:44

at the ·golden thread gallery·