What - Chemical Weapons found?

by Margaret Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:30

I'm sorry my fellow Americans are bothering you nice Irish folk.

I don't mean to hijack Ireland indymedia either, I'm just here to feel (maybe build) some solidarity with your peace movement. We need all the moral support we can get over here. Please feel welcome to talk to us at sf.indymedia.

Despite the loud presence of Henchman and ES I must ask you to remember that they do not speak for all Americans. And neither does our government.

by Andrew Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:26

"Corp. entities are not the governments nor the people"

Henchman perhaps you are unaware that Bush received some 70 million for his election campaign from some of the oil corporations he has sent other US citizens to fight and die for. Perhaps you are unaware that Ms. Rice actually has an oil tanker named after her? Perhaps you are unaware that the military munitions exported in the 1980's we are referring to ARE in fact controlled by both the US and British government. Such exports require licenses from the governments concerned.

When you talk of facts be careful you have done at least a little research. Otherwise you end up looking not only stupid but also arrogant, a bad combination.

by neanderthal man Tue Apr 08, 2003 16:04

...and on it goes henchman, if thats the world you want then you better get used to events like 11th september 2001.

by Henchman - NA Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:42 Kar_naK at juno dot com USA NA

Clownie's unsubstantiated contention: "We are opposing this war because we understand that it will replace Saddams dictatorship with US military rule while the next Saddam is selected by them. We oppose this war because we understand that the Iraqi people are being killed not to liberate them but to keep them under the control of the corporations (aka imperialism)."

You DO NOT UNDERSTAND CRAP! To "UNDERSTAND" - you need FACTS, which you ignore. Unsubstantiated OPINION, as is yours mean NOTHING as it is like an axxhole - everyone has one.

A few facts for tyou to research. Many countries corporations did trade with IRAQ in the 80s until such activities were outlawed by civilized governments. Corp. entities are not the governments nor the people UNLESS it is in a SOCIALIST country or where there is a SOCIALIST MENTALITY, as is yours. The US AND THE COALITION WILL establish an IRAQI government (interim) to be run by Iraqis and to be followed by elections. HOPEFULLY we will not allow GERMANY, FRANCE, RUSSIA to be involved with the creation of the government nor to derive any profits from their past support for the regime... and remember, the coporations were Irish as well as any of the other nations.

The best part with respect to your erroneous contention - Who cares? To the victor belongs the spoils and what is done will reflect the true nature of the US people, not the One World Socialists who don not believe in human rights. Another old adage is "The winner writes the history books" - you lost.

by Henchman - NA Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:29 Kar_naK at juno dot com USA NA

First, all of the anti- US, pro murderous Saddam supports need to understand: YOU DO NOT HAVE BETTER INTELLIGENCE THAN THE US GOVERNMENT. Second, your opinion is offset by mine and who cares? 80% of the US supports the war and 70% will not change their support if WMD are not found. We believe Saddam (WAS) a threat.

As far as Chemical weapons go - numerous shells to fire chemical weapons were found and thousands of anti chemical protective suits were found. Contrary to BLIX, there is no rational to say they existed to scare the US Forces. There are traces and small amounts of Chem weapons found in Al-Queda terrorist training camps IN IRAQ. Do you think they operated without the blessing of Saddam? There are traces of SARIN in the Tigris (I bekieve) how did it get there? The US has NOT lied an what it found and hasn't found. If they did find it, you lefties go into "It wasn't that much" or "It was planted". In essence your opinion and statements are of no value nor based on facts nor logic.

by Lone gunman Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:12

If you have found only one American recipt for "anthrax"What kind of anthrax?
Try the following recipts
FRANCE Dassault industries fighter jets, APCs electronics,nuke reactors and bomb making technology,bombed by the warmongering Isrealies to prevent Saddo from making a nuke,with french help.Oh lets not forget ELF and Fina oil companies that draw 40% of their oil from Iraq

Russia Everything from AK47s to T72 tanks,

Ukraine sophisticated radar equipment,nite vision equipment[despite the peacenicks great god the UN sanctioning against it]anti tank missiles.

Germany Bayer,BASF. Biological and chemical knowledge and dual use equipment.Plus some prohibited electronic equipment.

Ireland
Goodman/Haughy beef deals.went to totally feed the Iraqui army

by ES Tue Apr 08, 2003 15:00

Even I supported Clinton in bombing Iraq in 98 even if it was to shield his obvious problem at home with Monica. But I supported it because Saddam is an evil man with weapons beyond comprehension. He has used them. He would use them again if he hadnt been cut off from his army in the first night of bombing.

You people are just leftist nutjobs who naturally hate conservatives and faith.

A: Saddam didnt use wmd because his military is a "medusa" type military. Cut off the head, the rest dies. When Saddam got his "head cut off" in the 19th strike, it is widely know he is suspicious of everyone, so his focus was most likely on trying to prolong war and to find out who betrayed him..thus killing most of his staff

B: Lower ranked people in his army do not make big decisions like WMD. They are given orders by Saddam only. If they make a decision like WMD and Saddam doesnt agree, they die. So they wait and wait and wait until it was to late. US forces were on them like white of rice.

C: 12 years of ignoring the UN gives them plenty of time to hide weapons or move them to Syria or other sympathetic country. Our goal is not to find WMD but to win the war, then set out to perform our own "inspections".

I dont expect to reach any of you as most are blinded by hatred. If you dont realize how fringe you are and how utterly freakish you are viewed by the rest of the country, then move to Canada or France. Its freedom-light...where you dont have to protect freedom yourself, the USA will do it for you.

by gargoyle Tue Apr 08, 2003 14:18

Either that, or they'd insist that it was the US that had used it.

by James McKenna Tue Apr 08, 2003 13:13

Captain Adam Mastrianni, a military intelligence officer for the US 101st Airborne Division’s aviation brigade, said that after comprehensive tests, all that had been discovered was pesticide.

Capt Mastrianni added: "They thought it was a nerve agent. That’s what it tested. But it is pesticide."

by Andrew Tue Apr 08, 2003 13:07

Iraq may still have some chemical weapons but they will know that US troops are quite well equipped and trained to deal with them. Chemical weapons are not of much military use in that situation which is why Britain and the US were happy enough to officialy give them up but hang onto the only real effective WMD, nukes.

So after the war the US may be able to produce some Iraqi chemical weapons (they'll need to scrub the 'Made in the USA' labels off first). Making a big deal out of there failure to find them so far is a mistake.

by gailimhed Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:46

Guess who vetoed the UN resolution condemning Saddams use of (american supplied) chemical weapons aginst Iraqis? Do i need to tell you it was that great protector of human rights and liberator of supressed peoples..The United States of America.
And dont you think if the iraqis had usable chemical weapons at hand they would have used them against the forces invading their country? Dont you think? do you think?

by MoJo Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:43

...they weren't. test results proved negative. apparently.

by Dave Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:15

The American public still accept the anti French propaganda because they believe they stopped the UN from officially sanctioning the war to "disarm Iraq". If the war ends and in 5 years they still haven't found weapons of mass destruction (and by then the Americans will already have re-armed the new Iraqi military, very lucratively for the defence contractors), the French will still be seen as the bad guys by Americans despite the fact that they were totally right to refuse the second resolution which would have asked for the impossible off Iraq.

Not that any of this matters. Americans might possibly (though very unlikely) admit "sorry we made a slight mistake" but they would never accept any reprocussions for their part in the unlawful death of thousands of Iriaqi soldiers and civillians and it would not deter them from plans of future unjust llegal and lucrative neo-colonial wars

by Noel Hogan Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:05

Surely if Saddam had WMDs then he would have used them by now...if his regime is about to fall then he'd use them as the last option. The fact that he hasn't says something...

by kokomero Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:56

The US/K are throwing unfounded accustations around in order to maintain their threadbare justification for invading Iraq and murdering thousands of its citizens!

by Aidan Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:48

We already knew about Iraqi's chemical weapons,

How? We checked the reciept from the US, who solid the making for anthrax, to Iraq in the 80s.

And who took care of this sale? Rumsfeld.

Look stan the likely hood was Saddam was going to have WMD, our issue was this was being used as a smokescreen.

And what about other countries with far more advanced WMD programs? Nth Korea, Pakistan, or hey Israeli.

This war isn't about WMD, thats just justification.

by Andrew Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:47

I think the original poster has missed the point as to why we oppose the war. It is not because we think Saddam is some wonderful guy who couldn't tell Sarin from sausage. Some of those opposed to the war are quite well aware of just how nasty he is because they are Iraqi exiles who had to flee his regime.

We are opposing this war because we understand that it will replace Saddams dictatorship with US military rule while the next Saddam is selected by them. We oppose this war because we understand that the Iraqi people are being killed not to liberate them but to keep them under the control of the corporations (aka imperialism).

The US and Britain KNOW Saddam had chemical weapons because during the Iran / Iraq war they supplied him with the technology and the materials to make them. We know back in the 1980's he used these weapons and that the US/Britian not only tried to cover this up but CONTINUED to supply him with what was needed to make more.

It may be that, for his own reasons, he did order all these weapons destroyed and they won't find anything significant. This will indeed mean that the main reason they gave for going to war was a lie but thats hardly new. But lets assume he just has these weapons well hidden, which might yet be possible. This 'PROVES' what exactly, that they have found the weapons they helped him build?

The bottom line is this. The US/British invasion will not liberate the people of Iraq. At best it may give them a somewhat more humane dictator. If the people of Iraq want to liberate themselves what they need to do is take up the arms that now litter the cities and drive out not only the last remains of Saddams regime but also the British and US troops that are there to impose a new tyranny on them.

by Chekov Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:36

And each time the story has disappeared after a few days or even hours as soon as the 'verification' process has started. Each time, the mass media reports the pentagon press releases as fact "WMDs FOUND!!!" but fail to follow them up with the required follow up headlines: "Pentagon was lying about WMD find and we passed on the lie, again!!". The thing is that when this happens the original claim is what is remembered by the ill-informed, not the facts of what actually happened. Thereafter you find morons such as yourself using these discredited lies to substantiate your ill-founded convictions, irrespective of evidence. I am quite sure that 6 months from now, when the US has failed to find any evidence of WMD in Iraq a large proportion of the US population will believe that their government's claims of WMD in Iraq were categorically proved true in the war and will use this as evidence to justify their next war. Just as a majority of the US population now believes that Iraq was responsible for S11, laughable as all of the evidence produced by the US has been shown to be.

by Matthew Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:31

Erm, even "Coalition" forces have denied finding any biochem weapons. Get your facts straight.

More at:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1086595,00.html

Of course, they'll "find" them eventually. If Gardai in Dongeal can plant explosives within a civilized country like Ireland, Coalition forces will have no problem planting biochems in the confusion of a warzone.