Bush Visit and North Peace Process

by lalric Sat Apr 05, 2003 05:04

Usual brain dead anti American, pro delusional united Ireland nutters.

Long live the divious Americans.

by Chris Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:50

Join the anti war protesters outside or join the warmongers and their war summit inside

by Aidan - IMC Ireland Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:08

SINN FEIN - CASUALTIES OF IRAQ WAR
by JP - Nationalist Sat, Apr 5 2003, 9:08am
????????

How can Sinn Fein meekly participate in this war summit is baffling. All those predictions of SF increasing popularity in the republic are void if Adams and co attend. All a bit confusing of what Sinn Fein think they can possibly gain by going. Tiocfaidh ar la. I really doubt it.

by . Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:50

and press releases
by keeping it together. Sat, Apr 5 2003, 10:49am

Green Party NI
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=40726&start=0&sid=10407

Globalise Resistance write some more:
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=40688

Raghillaigh writes lots
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=40677

iosaf gives you his experience with Bushes.
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=40673

Sparks gave you his article
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=40647

Belfast anti war group thiers:
http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=40638

NOW BEFORE ALL THE POLITICAL PARTIES START THREADS CAN YE REMEMBER YOUR PRESS STATEMENTS HERE ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS: THE BUSH VISIT IS ABOUT ·3· EGOS AHERN BLAIR AND BUSH IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER

by Wild Irishman Sat Apr 05, 2003 13:43

Now the ceist is whether the yanks were told by Blair, or by the BA, or by Trimble, or Ahern, or the gardai, or whether your organisation is so riddled by the whole lot of them that you are like a bloody sieve.

You knew that you would be unable to trust the brits, or you should have known. Don't you know your history? You were finished the moment you decided to do a deal with those deceitful kiddy-fiddlers.

by Rob Sat Apr 05, 2003 14:06

Announce Your plans to further the peace process, or this big IRA decision seperately. Disconnect the two issues in full public view and take the side of the people in full public view. Or attend their summit refuse to shake hands with terrorists while their campaign of violence is ongoing (might raise a few eyebrow, and memories) and then publically condemn their actions. This is an immense oppertunity for Sinn Féin to show their growth into peaceful negotiaion and political pressure. Be selfish, hijack the event to highlight their insulting hijacking of your event, in full knowledge that the vast majority of people on the island of Ireland - which you obviuosly still hold in view as one country by right, am I not right? - support such action and will stand by you. Condemn Bertie for his betrayal of the Irish people. There are a gazillion ways to approach this, save face and politically come out the better person.

by iosaf ipsiphi Sat Apr 05, 2003 15:17 ipsiphi at diplomats dot com

we all remember the threat of "WAR" that hung over St. Patrick's day celebrations for the global Irish community.

We also remember the SF leadership choosing to place their political agenda of close relations with the American Irish lobby over the wishes of the majority of their members in either of the Irish states.

Now a SF member tells us that that same leadership who naturally shared whiskey with the Bush admnistration had to wait to be told by the BBC that Bush typically maladept as ever seeks to sell himself as "Peace maker" to the american public at his scheduled "end" to the Iraqi conflict.

Now if the SF leadership had used their brains properly they would have known that the White House was attempting to use the "Irish" peace lobby over the "Israeli" to achieve several key aims.

1. is to shore up Blair.
and the others I will not tell the SF leadership today, because in the words of one of the members they have been "FUCKED OVER".

That is exactly what the SF leadership did to the anti-War movement of the majority Irish State by not registering the people's revulsion at US/K strategy.

So Sinn Fein leadership, less whiskey on Monday and Tuesday and a little bit more "thinking".

the whiskey has quite spectacularly "fucked you over".

by iosaf Sat Apr 05, 2003 15:20

in your own words you have a
"recognition problem"
as neither public, protesters, or gardai
can recognise your younger members of the majority Irish State parliament.

in short
SF you really ought try harder.
Bush is not the usual type of US president.
he has you, Blair, Ahern by the balls.
Because you all tried to take the usual short-term advantage from his WAR.

by iosaf Sat Apr 05, 2003 15:21

you really can't be trusted to do the anti-Bush protest you know.
Sinn Fein would "fuck it up".
stick to what you know guys.

grass roots GO!-

by Sparks Sat Apr 05, 2003 15:24

No offence meant to those who write books on protocol, but the idea of SF trying to be polite is giving me fits here.

Walk in, sign the document, walk out, join the protest. In full view of the media. That should accomplish both goals.

(and don't shake hands)

Now who is silly enough to think that Adams will actually do this then?

by Justa Moron - Sinn Fail Sat Apr 05, 2003 15:32

Gerry Adams is a close friend of Bush loyalist, Congressman Peter King, although King is a Thatcherite and is pro-war. The Bush visit will further process the peace process as Bush puts pressure on Ahern and Blair to fully implement the Good Friday Agreement. The Bush visit will proactively reopen the window of opportunity and will promote peace for everybody on this island, North and South. That Bush has taken time out from his busy schedule, especially at this time, shows his concern for everybody on this island. Bush is not just US president; he is also commander-in-chief of the US armed forces. And for Bush to come to this island when his troops-along with Sir Mike Jackson of Bloody Sunday fame-are busy liberating Iraq, well it just shows the very high regard for the people of this island and it is a tribute to Gerry Adams' diplomacy in cultivating friendship with Irish-American conservatives.

by IMC Sat Apr 05, 2003 16:15

Bush to push for completion of IRA surrender
by Jim Costello Sat, Apr 5 2003, 1:43pm

A spokesman for Downing St. says that Bush will 'encourage..the acts of completion the prime minister has outlined'. The commander-in-chief of the US armed forces will pressure the IRA to complete the surrender process. Bush's forces, along with the British led by Sir Mike Jackson, the Bloody Sunday murderer, are engaged in a war of conquest in Iraq. The assimilation of provisional Sinn Fein into the Anglo-American empire has reached a new low. To suggest that the leaders of Anglo-American imperialism, Bush and Blair, can play a progressive role in Ireland is laughable. Bush/Blair policy in Ireland is no different than in Iraq: to subordinate both countries to the interests of Anglo-American imperialism, with the help of local collaborators like Ahern and Adams.

by iosaf Sat Apr 05, 2003 17:07

dept of Irish history
http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~jdana/history/ni.html
last updated 1991
not very up to date are they?
they mustn't have the wee north at the heart of their interest ow must they?

by Wild Irishman Sat Apr 05, 2003 20:52

What the Republican Movement SHOULD be saying:

The Republican Movement is genuinely interested in peace between all the ethnic groups on this island and elsewhere.

The Republican Movement is dismayed that those, who for the past three decades have been lecturing republicans and telling us that violence is futile, have now seen fit to start an illegal war in defiance of world opinion.

The Republican Movement totally condemns the barbarous acts of terrorism now being perpetrated by the Bush and the Blair governments, and colluded in by the 26 county government by it's provision of airport facilities.

But they won't say it, will they?

by SF Activist Sun Apr 06, 2003 03:01

As a SF member I am deeply disappointed with the decision of Gerry Adams to meet these terrorists on Irish soil. I feel let down and have a great sence of sadness that the name of the anti-imperialist movement in this country will forever be sullied by our giving credence to these evil men. I understand the reasons why Adams will be there, but I feel that certain people like Rita O' Hare have too much influence in the party consequently people are too willing to put forward a 'softly-softly' approach vis-a-vis the USA. We have been well and truely screwed by the people who dreamed up this visit. It may 'advance' the peace process but I am afraid we will never again be able to claim to be true anti-imperialists when we participate in this charade.