Counterculture cowards run away with their tails between their legs from shannon

by iosaf = o as if Thu Feb 06, 2003 20:36

did you know that Timothy Leary taught three of the tutors of Bush?
did you know that Ho Chi Minh washed dishes in a London Hotel?
did you know a firm hand is better than two in the bush?
did you know the European Constitution will haggle over the definition of Neutrality?
I did.
But I know lots.
and I am generally only too glad to share it all with loads of you. as it happens, before it happens, after you did not know it happened, and what just might inchywincy chance probability like may happen.
Japan spends 0.23% of its domestic product on humantarian stuff in the Asia rim.
did you know that?
The Usa spends more.
0.60% give or take the meaning of charity.

by Badman Thu Feb 06, 2003 20:50

That you come across as a lunatic?
Did you know
that grammatical and spacing conventions were invented for a reason (that they aid comprehension)?
Did you know
that sequences of statements which you do not explicitly link together into a coherent argument have no meaning outside of your own head?
Did you know
that writing excessive comments to articles in a poetic style and then answering yourself under a different moniker but in the same style is extremely annoying, occupies excessive space in the comments area, is egotistical and selfish and undermines any actual positions that you may hold?
Did you know
that you are probably capable of making coherent and succinct points but you appear to be too self-absorbed and more concerned with proving your poetic nature, breadth of knowledge and cleverness to yourself to give a damn about anybody actually understanding where you are coming from?
Did you know
that many of the readers of this newswire wish you would cop yourself on and only write comments that have a chance of being understood by less learned and poetically gifted mortals?

by fully evolved homo sapiens Thu Feb 06, 2003 20:51

The spirit of John Wayne rides again. I'd have thought shooting unarmed protestors was just the sort of thing Saddam might get off on. You're probably looking forward to bagging a few of them goddam "ragheads" too eh?
Ah, I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.....

by Graham Caswell Thu Feb 06, 2003 21:17

The Dow's down, the S&P is down, the FTSE is down, almost all the main indices are down.

The market is shiting in its pants.

By the way, Irish G.I., have you ever stood up to anything that wasn't overwhelmingly supported by authority?

by James Thu Feb 06, 2003 21:52

The US armed Ho Chi Mihn initially to fight the Japanese? Just like they armed Saddam to fight Democracy spreading from Iran.

by redJaDe Thu Feb 06, 2003 21:55

Iosaf is a good guy

i propose a new site, just for him

iosaf.indymedia.ie

by Regular reader Thu Feb 06, 2003 21:56

Yep, I agree somewhat about the comments on Iosaf's writing style, it is atrocious and he never has a direct point to make. He has some interesting ideas but puts them in flowery, vague language
and

uses

paragraphs
where it
isnt neccessary. which is very trying to read.

by Shades of Green Thu Feb 06, 2003 22:11

On balance I'm leaning in favour of Irish G.I.
(Politics excluded probably).

by ollie - Katalyzer Thu Feb 06, 2003 22:51

ok so he overdoes it a bit, and yes ,at times this can be v annoying - but surely some creative space needs to be left for people with...personality

by dumb Cun* Thu Feb 06, 2003 23:19

Yea lets place all thoose non-conformists in a section of their own, never mind that tosser isofuck, that way we can keep ourselves on the strait 'n' narrow and keep them as pets.

by Brian J Goggin Thu Feb 06, 2003 23:30

Madam

Now that the Shannon Peace Camp has broken up, I would like to pay tribute to its organisers, participants and supporters.

When the camp was set up, few people in Ireland were aware of the extent to which American forces were using Shannon airport. The camp's first achievement was to bring that to our attention.

Its second achievement was to force the government to acknowledge that arms were being moved through the airport and to insist that our law, such as it is, be enforced. Our rulers resisted that in the most Bunterish of ways: there were no arms on board, and even if there were nobody had seen them, and nobody was going to see them because nobody was going to look.

The third achievement was to force public, and indeed parliamentary, debate on the use of Shannon airport. The government seemed to want to do whatever the Americans wanted without bothering with any public discussion; the campers forced the issue on to the agenda.

The fourth achievement was to heighten public awareness of the forthcoming American smash-and-grab raid on Iraq. And now that the
camp has ended, opponents of the "war" (scarcely the right word for such an unequal combat) must concentrate on changing public perception
of what seems to lie ahead. That will be a difficult task: I fear that the Irish people are neither as neutral nor as peace-loving as we have
liked to think.

But the campers' resolute spirit has already achieved much, and I thank and salute them for it.

Yours etc

Brian J Goggin

by pete ranks Fri Feb 07, 2003 09:15

Just wondering as its probably quite dangerous, and being so unstable, you should probably start thinking about something other than WARHATEWAR

by A friend Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:24

He left home about 5 years ago he got his U.S. visa in the visa lottery and flew to Boston to look for work and ended up in a recruitment office. He could sign his name speek coherently and answer most questions on the test,the marine corp thought he was a genius... he shot up the ranks and now is a seargent and the commanders in cheif value his advice, 5 years after that fateful day in Boston he is irrevocably brainwashed and armed to the teeth and a danger to the peace loving majority of the world. Do not hate him this is a sorry but familiar story, the Irish forced to leave home by empire and joining what they ran from, empire in the guise of freedom.

by Cathal Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:58

redJaDe and the others are right. Iosaf is a good guy, adds a bit of humour,
intelligence
and
originality to the many

banal and predictable

comments otherwise posted.

typical behaviour of such posters=childish attacks on a personality instead of the ideas expressed

by Annonymous Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:49

Hi Brian,

Well done on getting that letter published! Do you think they did the right thing to break the camp up, considering all the exposure it was getting and how much it was highlighting the negatives of this war and the real reasons behind it?

Anyone else, feel free to jump in here as well.

To Irish G.I. (& anyone who supports him), you said:-

"There will be economic gains for Ireland too as today's markets show. So come on Mr AHERN YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK JUST GO A BIT FASTER"

Do you think the death of "ONE", nevermind hundreds of thousands, innocent Iraqi is worth economic gains for Ireland???

by Alex Fri Feb 07, 2003 13:09

Has anybody noticed the fact that coverage of Shannon has declined significantly since the Peace Camp was abandoned. True the army (Rapid Reaction Force) are there with their armoured cars and Steyr rifles but apart from their Falklands style arrival (sorry, Malvinas) the coverage has now died down.

by jm Fri Feb 07, 2003 13:12

yep, here, let's just all go out and kill everyone who's lives in the country of an oppressive leader. there are 365 million americans, so you'd better get started right quick.

and hey, stop picking on iosaf. we're on the same side, right? (the previous sentence was not sarcasm)

by Brian J Goggin Fri Feb 07, 2003 14:25

I can see why the Peace Camp broke up, but I think we're now in something of a vacuum, with people wondering what to do now. I know there's the vigil and march, but we must do more. There has been less information on Indymedia in the last few days and I sense a feeling of wondering who is driving the campaign.

I think that the campaign has to move from the focus on Shannon (that battle is lost unless Eoin Dubsky wins in the courts) to the wider issue. I found Matthew Parris's article (see link) very helpful in clarifying our thinking: I think he's absilutely right about how the argument should be constructed and what should be avoided.

The other thing is that there is a need for more organisations to be brought in, and I don't know whether anybody is working on that. Are the trade unions being persuaded to support the campaign?

There could be lots of work happening at present; it's just that I don't know about it.

bjg

by jeff Fri Feb 07, 2003 19:12

Irish G.I is a disgusting person.

Anyway,I have to disagree with the lad who called the Falklands the Malvinas-the Brits were there before Argentina became a sovereign state.Everyone who lives there speaks English and have English surnames.The Brits settled them in 1824,previously uninhabited.The Argies just wanted them for fishing rights.

It is the same with Gibralter,the locals there want to be Brits,descendents not only of Spainards but also Jews fleeing persecution,Genoese,and others.Just because Blur is Bushman's poodle does not mean everything is black and white.I aspire to a united Ireland,but I am not a Brit basher...

Thats all.Again,well done Indymedia.

by iosaf Fri Feb 07, 2003 20:16

can understand the exploitation of a information media and those who approach a newsire as a newspaper, expecting solid text.
I am also interested by the criticisms of grammar. Paratactic poetic prose is obviously making some feel left out. Sorry. Perhaps the inane repetition of slogans and soundbite type phrases also irritates. Ooops. As for the monikers, i do not do that. There are many contributors here who are using the same style. That interests me a lot. I stopped making anonymous comments a long time ago. But an established part of the "stream" and it is not flow of conscienceness writing is the loading of cryptic meanings. If you do not get the point then perhaps you were not intended as the reader. I have been asked in another forum recently why my writing stlye differs depending on outlet. I think the ireland site does get more florid material which probably seems "experimental in organisation and syntax". However I think it important to remember that No one who contributes to any of the indymedia sites offers new material.

None of the party political agents have offered the community new policies. The recording of historial events such as reports are new but only the experience as reported of one writer.

Many people it seems to me do not have sufficient knowledge of internet communication styles and also how to use this or other indymedia sites.

And many seem to fondly believe that their thoughts or analysis here is intended to inform others. It may offer them organisational information but never clear or concise ideological argument. That is why the parties and groupings havew their own websites. I do have several websites. I dare say some of you may have visited some on occasion. There has been a recent tendency as the geo-political situation of which I am well informed has become ridiculous to the point of parady that I have left increasingly stupid and peurile postings. But so too have many others. Am I to blame for all those who are using this space to merely say to each other "hey they have the power to end all that we could ever have hoped for" and "hey really at the end of the day we are not going stop them alone".
So my writing has developed over many years with a very individual style. The points of contact with the reader or listener have changed many times. My move to ireland indymedia was pre-announced and as I admitted long ago has for various reasons overran its original time span.
Sorry to those who are irritated.
They perhaps have met so much I have written with sceptism and incredulity because they saw it as trick or artifice set to belittle their intellect or patronise their senses.
But to those who understand a qoute from Orwell,
"if you wish speak the truth you must make people laugh or they will kill you".

by .. Fri Feb 07, 2003 20:51

Fuck off Iosaf you fucking muppet

by iosaf Fri Feb 07, 2003 22:15

nor given you a day out?
pity.