Indymedia closing

by Irish Thu Dec 26, 2002 13:15

Well done Indymedia for all the good work this year. Long may it continue.

by Tom Oliver Thu Dec 26, 2002 13:45

I agree with American! This sites degeneration is typical of the people involved in RTS and the Shannon law breakers. Now I'll sit back and wait for the backlash when you get up in the evening with your hangovers and log on!

by the truth Thu Dec 26, 2002 14:37

this site is not dying or ending.

2003 will be a good year for indymedia.ie - if people get involved.

by indyhater Thu Dec 26, 2002 14:54

It was a good idea but it doidn't work. Irish Indymedia has been taken over by cranks that have an anti-American and anti-Jewish fetish. Good riddance to Irish Indymedia and the immature armchair activists that inhabit it. SP, ISN, SWP members have all vacated this site and not without reason.

by freedom fighter Thu Dec 26, 2002 14:55

This site has real potential, but stop mollycoddling the zionists. See the games they play? If the site isn't here to banjax evildoers, then what IS it's purpose? Relieved to see that the fkae "closure" notice at Global IMC is just another zionist lie, though.

by Paul Kinsella - Various Thu Dec 26, 2002 15:37 paulkinsella53 at yahoo dot com 53 Lorcan Grove, Santry, Dublin 9, Eire 087-9748511

Indymedia Ireland is NOT closing down in the New Year. There are procedures to be followed and we would have been notified of any even possible discussion of even thinking about closing IMC Ireland, not that that's going to happen anyway. Now I'm the first to admit not everything is perfect about IMC Ireland, but we're still on a learning curve. Now you right-wing hatemongers sling your hook and take it elsewhere. Maybe if you'se were as quick to attack Blair, Bush and own our 'Irish' 'Government's' acquiescence in the forthcoming mass murder of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and British and US servicemen and servicewomen people might take you seriously.

by the singer not the song Thu Dec 26, 2002 16:45

indymedia must be doing something, cos they've got spooks backs up. spooks are shitting themselves. well done

by Oliver Moran Thu Dec 26, 2002 17:02 hinducow at sony-youth dot com

Too right, American. Its unfortunate some baboons see fit to use this service as a on-going BBS for flaming and mouthing off. A monologe chat-room for their own personal diatripe. If it were respected for what it is, a 'news service', them maybe it we would all be better off.

BTW: could you forward a link to where you read that.

by blisset Thu Dec 26, 2002 17:07

This story is disinformation and aimed at disrupting the site and users. Published today here and at indymedia.org.

As for comments with regard to various socialist groupings going away and not coming back - Think it may be true of SWP for reasons other than those stated - I will not go into the reasons I think this is happening here - SP members still around and conducting various debates on an ongoing basis with members of other groups in last few days on the site

by Bill Lowry, gi us a job Thu Dec 26, 2002 17:10

i am a spook and i'm hoping with spreading disinformation i can get indymedia closed down, i wouldnt mind if it were filled with the views of lovely but stupid aryan nazi boys and guillible dog eat dog capitalists but unfortunately its filled with investigative journalists, and hackers who've managed to hack NIO private despatches, and leak and reveal all manner of sensitive government info and plans to the public. stop it now. knowledge maybe power but it comes at great cost to those privileged few that run this world, there are some things the public should be kept in the dark about, well most things actually.

by iosaf christmas spirit jedi Thu Dec 26, 2002 18:14

yesterday was spam city.
all the embeddded programs come out.
i was very lonely.

today the arguments.

ISreal is made of European migrants.
Isreal is post european war settlement of zionism a European and Russian social phenomona.
Isreal is acting most unwisely against the providers of European Oil.
Neither they nor Isreal are european.
Neither is the USA.

Ireland is European.

Ireland´s future will be decided on a european table.
It shall not be decided nor be debated in English.

Israel bears much European influence in it´s political culture and state apparatta.

Israel has won the Eurovision many times.

the USA isn´t allowed in.

Europe has offered development aid to Palestine.
Israel has destroyed our projects.

Europe seeks peace allbeit on a very unequal footing with it´s southern and south-eastern neighbours (Islamic peoples all) and to the East the former Soviet Union.

The USA neighbours Mexico and Canada.

Europe has never seen a strategic need in a miltary sattelite power in the Levant.
Thus it has never armed, supported or exhonerated any military sattelite in the Levant.

Europe bears the responsiblity for the HOLOCAUST.
the USA bears the responsibility for the fifty years of Global security and power play since.

Europe bears the responsibility for the HOLOCAUST.
the USA used the first atomic weapons.

Europe bears the responsibility for the HOLOCAUST.
the USA bears the responsibilty for Israel.

Maybe the "american" who posted this article would do well to intellectually mature in a cosmopolitan European environment thinking of Europe´s future as we move from 15 states to 25, from peripherary of the continent to pan continent

by iosaf (copyright from thoughts on Europa 2000) Thu Dec 26, 2002 18:24

arguments it doesn´t fit....

The USA is subject becuase of Europe´s shameful past (the HOLOCAUST) to a vociforous lobby which is pro-Isreal pro-Zionism and pro-Jewish.
it is also anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian, anti-Islam and unfortunately anti-European.

Americans are anti-European.

We do not have a significant "Jewish" lobby in Europe, because our forebears were the architects and builders of the HOLOCAUST.

SORRY. from all the descendents who did nothing bethey living in Ireland or Greece, Malta or Estonia.

We did nothing for the cause of a peaceful creation of a Jewish homeland in the Levant region.

We have suffered no shame or regret because of the ongiong development of hatred on our periphary.

Israel is the bone of contention between Europe and USA.

mark my words.

The USA will not cease to support Israel.
ok
But Europe will.
and the Isreali state even it does provide fine singers to
Eurovision and send yearly many of its young people to our cities to learn of their European heritage need recognise the implications for its own continued security in the develpment of a pan-European superstate with legitamate concerns of its southern seas.

The mediterraean is a European / North African / Levant sea.

Less than 3% of its shipping is Israeli flagged.

Now "AMericans" please learn about Europe.
your own thinktanks only allow you nine more years top of undoubted economic and cultural hegomany.
Ireland may be a good place to begin learning.
They speak English there.
But don´t forget that Europe is not English.
and it is not American.
we always come full circle.

....who payed for the airport?
....why did they pay for the airport?
....why aren´t they suggesting another airport?
....whose side is Israel on?

by Mike Thu Dec 26, 2002 18:48 stepbystepfarm at shaysnet dot com

"Europe has never seen a strategic need in a miltary sattelite power in the Levant.
Thus it has never armed, supported or exhonerated any military sattelite in the Levant"

Look, I am not a European, but even an American like myself knows more of your history that THAT silly statement. Or did you perchance mean just in the last couple years? We're not talking ancient history either but within the lifetime of many people currently alive. I seem to recall Egypt and Palestine were under Britain, Syria and Lebanon under France, etc.

As for the suggestion that all would be well if the Israelis gave up statehood, they and the Palestinians simply living together --- gee, guys, if it's all that simple why haven't you managed it on your little island. Or is it just easier to tell other people to do what you can't do yourselves.

by Captain Edward J Smyth - HMS Titanic Fri Dec 27, 2002 02:08 Sinking in the North Atlantic near Greenland

Titanic just finished on RTE1. Most appropriate might I say given the current predicament afflicting Indymedia Ireland. And again like myself may I say solely self-inflicted. Now you know what it is like to sink beneath the waves.

Signed,

Captain Edward J Smyth,
Commander,
HMS Titanic

by iosaf = o as if Fri Dec 27, 2002 16:49

You have GOT to be kidding!
by Mike Thu, Dec 26 2002, 5:48pm
[email protected]

"Europe has never seen a strategic need in a miltary sattelite power in the Levant.
Thus it has never armed, supported or exhonerated any military sattelite in the Levant"

Look, I am not a European, but even an American like myself knows more of your history that THAT silly statement.

Oh Mike,
do you indeed?
you know more about European history than I?

then in what terms may any of the Christian kingdoms of Palestine starting with the first of King Guiffrey be considered satelites?
At any stage between the first crusade and the creation of the state of Israel, can you point to one incidence of a King of Jerusalem, or a governer of the Protectorate making a decision
to attack the Palestinians?
Can you list the "aid" made by Europe to a "Israeli" army?
Can you list resolutions by the League of Nations the predecessor of the UN on the Protectorate?

no you can´t because till the creation of the Israeli state the Palestinians were understood to be the indiginous people of Palestine.

The third crusade my poorly educated friend was started to protect the religious rights of the Palestian christians. Rights to worship which till three days ago had been upheld for centuries.

Let me write that again, three days ago, rights of worship of the Palestinian Christians which were the cause of one of the crusades were thrashed by Isreal under the leadership of Sharon.

Or did you perchance mean just in the last couple years? We're not talking ancient history either but within the lifetime of many people currently alive.

Oh good... because it´s not as if the current Israeli right wing use the Torah and it´s geographic definition of the land of Isreal as proof of thier right to Palestinian land, is it???? (answer is yes my american friend)

I seem to recall Egypt and Palestine were under Britain, Syria and Lebanon under France, etc.

Yes they were under an Anglo-French protectorate which preceded the Israeli state.
I am aware of no instance that that protectorate attacked with support of either London or Paris the Palestinian peoples, Egypt, Syria or Jordan.
-------are you?

As for the suggestion that all would be well if the Israelis gave up statehood, they and the Palestinians simply living together --- gee, guys, if it's all that simple why haven't you managed it on your little island. Or is it just easier to tell other people to do what you can't do yourselves.

I live in Barcelona.
I do not live in Eire.
Before Barcelona I lived in Italy and London.
I have a most detailed understanding of the Peace Process and invite you to debate and comparison of the British - Irish conflicts 1922-1993 and the Irish - Ulster Scots conflicts 1690-1993.
with the Isreali - Palestinian conflicts 1966-presnet day.

I will as part of that, my ignorant American friend probably make references to the Paris and London supported constitution of Isreal.
I will probably make reference to the number of deaths in Ireland and Britain arising from the conflict and the number of deaths in the Levant.

I will as part of that go back to source.
the 1922 articles of agreement between Britain and Ireland,
and the 1948 articles that guaranteed,
homeland,. equality,. freedom of worship to the Palestinian peoples.

American friend learn our history.
for it is your history too.
shalom = saleem.
=PEACE

by iosaf Fri Dec 27, 2002 19:34 iosaf at email dot com barcelona

Israel is a miltary satelite of the USA in the Levant region.
I define it as such considering the investment and support offered by the USA to the Israeli army.
Israel has never been a satelite of any european power.
I say such because not a cent of European money has gone to supporting Isreali army actions against
Egypt
Syria
Lebanon
Palestine
Jordan.
In fact european soldiers many of whom were and are Irish supported UN Peace keeping missions in LEbanon where they daily faced threat of fire from Israeli soldiers using $ bought equipment.

The Anglo-French protectorate of Palestine was opposed by both Palestinian muslims, christians and Jews.
At that stage the Palestinians were indignous peoples of the Palestine area of the Levant, engaged in a "legitamate struggle for self-determination" [as defined by George Bush senior].

You americans really lack historical basis for your analysis and understanding of the current problems besetting the Levant Region.

Israel has repetively ignored it´s own constitutional obligations to accept all Jews of the world, I point to the fate of Ethiopian Jews who were not accepted on ethnic grounds, where ethnicity meant colour of skin, not religion.

The presence of ex-Soviet prisoners in the Isreali goverment assembly over the last ten years points to the peculiar status afforded by the "Zionist entity" to "refusniks".

Israel is an american $ funded country, born of a legitamate wish to have a homeland of the diasporic jewish peoples, known as "zionism" in cultural makeup it owes more to European heritage than any other country.
Herzog president of Israel was himself born in Ireland, and as a boy saw his menora lit in the predominantly Catholic area of Dublin´s South Circular Road.
Israel is home to many of our cousins, friends and fellow survivors of the 2nd World War and fascism, however it has long gone pàst time to exhonerate the policies of Sharon´s Israel because of European guilt.

I Mike of USA was taught by victims of the Holocaust, and one of my teachers Janos Fürst (ex conductor of the NAtional symphony ORchestra of Ireland) saw his family exterminated in Hungary during the forties. His family moved to Israel, wishful of peace, a wish that bound the kibbutzum till 1958. However now seasoned and knowledgable and wise European commentators feel that Sharon´s policies are the worst ever.
So I would offer you lessons on our European History, and the history of the Levant, for a knock down price of 300€ roughly equivalent to 300$. just mail me.
meanwhile
SHALOM = SALEEM = PEACE.
Sharon must go next elections.
for peace for Jew Muslim Christian alike, for the better solution to islamic extremism, the better prosperity of the Levant, and for all right-thinking people.