Pre-budget submission

by Finghin - Socialist Youth Mon Nov 25, 2002 22:04

I always find it amazing that SF will never reply to messages when they are exposed as just being another capitalist party.

by pat c Mon Nov 25, 2002 11:55

you were capable of being insulting.

so i'm a muppet?

how creative of you!

by Finghin - Socialist Party Sun Nov 24, 2002 23:54

"Frankly, with the economic downturn the argument that it (corporation tax) should be left as it is has some merit"

The ESRI calling for corporation tax at 17.5%, many EU leaders looking for 20%, what are SF calling for? 16%!! and going by the comment above it seems there are many in their party thinking it should be less!!

This is a clear obvious example that SF are in fact a capitalist party. They are unwilling to break with capitalism. If SF were socialists they would be calling for the nationalisation of the top indutries and for a planned economy. Instead SF pander to capatilist neo liberal arguments about the economy.

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Sat Nov 23, 2002 20:17 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

As I am at a reasonable and interesting argument about our pre-budget submission put forward by man in black I feeld riven to respond.

Personally I agree with you on Corporation Tax. ESRI believes that Corporation Tax could be increased to 17.5% without affecting the competitiveness of the economy. People might feel it should be even higher than that and I believe a day will come when it is possible to make it higher than that but at the moment 17.5% is there or thereabouts. Frankly, with the econpomic downturn the argument that it should be left as it is has some merit, coupled with the fact that the tax review we propose would actually make them pay the 16% instead of the tax breaks and avoidance that cost about 8.5 Billion a year.

Penalising polluters I completely take on board. The submission couldn't have everything in it, there's very little for example on Communications, but this should have been.

Lastly, the two remaining comments....I think to a certain extent you're mixing up manifestos and pre-budget submissions. This submissionw as simply about money, where to get it and how to raise it and how to spend it. Both of the issues you mention are things that would be more suitable for manifestos. On that note however we do call for the Overseas Development Aid to be lifted to meet our obligation to the UN and for the Tobin Tax to be implemented. The car free city centres we called for in our manifesto for Dublin before the election campaign.

by red n green Fri Nov 22, 2002 21:01

I dont think sf are too interested in opening up city centres to pedestrians by banning traffic. I dont think they even have a policy on cycle lanes or if they do they dont push it much.

by man in black Fri Nov 22, 2002 20:49

Yes I took the trouble to read it, it is not bad I agreed with the use of cheaper generic medicines, but I felt that you are setting corporation tax way too low, it was much higher a few years ago before Ho Chi Quinn and charlie boy slashed it down to a mere pittance, it is much higher in Germany and other countries.

"Retain Corporation Tax at 16% with a special 30% rate for banks and financial insitutions
Institute a new tax band for the highest earners a 50% rate for in excess of ¤100,000 per annum........"

Among the other ommissions was no policy of penalising polluters, banning traffgic from city centres or the struggle against globalisation. Still it was better than I expected and not as nutty sounding as the swp etc

by cold faced Fri Nov 22, 2002 20:20

You really are!!!

by Blisset (slight return) Fri Nov 22, 2002 19:06

sounds pretty scary when u put them all together

by pat c Fri Nov 22, 2002 18:46

"a hobgoblin is stalking europe"

i prefer to be a hobgoblin. sounds more threatening. eh?

by Shinner - Sinn Fein Fri Nov 22, 2002 18:30

Dear Charlie,

Sinn Féin would like cuts, privatisations, sell-offs, lay-offs.

Show these pesky workers who the boss is. Don't worry Charlie we're capitalists just like you. We dont really oppose cuts, we just say that to get votes off those working class people. Just like you we say one thing and do another.

Slán leat

Gerry Adams.

PS: If you ever get sick of those PDs why not give us a call.

by Rose Fri Nov 22, 2002 18:01

http://sinnfein.ie/

It's a cool website.

by pat c Fri Nov 22, 2002 17:58

o ghost i'd say justin presumes that the non-loyalists on the site would have the gumption to be able to find the sf site.

anyway, there three categories of capitalist roaders, ooopppsss! i mean anti-republicans on indy:

those ignorant of the history of their own country.

those with political differences.

those who do so from hatred.

anyway marching feet will be needed as well as bums on feet.

by As do many many other ghosts Fri Nov 22, 2002 17:41

Are SF supporting Mr Higgins and the rest of them's protest? I mean with bums on seats - not just speakers

by As do many many other ghosts Fri Nov 22, 2002 17:40

Strange of u to assume IMC readers knew it. We're all west brits oops sorry southern loyalists here ;-)