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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16... honestly, it's for your own good. Just step this way, sir.
i can only assume that this article is in some way related to how american school children are forced to watch advertisements in the classroom on "channel one".
regardless of what it's about, it makes an interesting case study in how NOT to write an informative article. i'd avoid the use of jargon like "pedophillicide", i'd state the thrust of the article in the first paragraph and sum up the article in the last paragraph. above all, articles should be clear and understandable.
...if indymedia is ever to compete with the mainstream media then it will have to make itself comprehensible.
Ocean
>if indymedia is ever to compete with the mainstream media
indymedia isn't here to compete with the mainstream. If it was you'd see ads for Nike and Shell on the front page. Its here to provide an alternative.
If every article was manicured to perfection would it give the site any more credibilty?
I appreciate your distaste for the article, however for me it is a clear as day. This person claims to have been victimized, and wants to reach others. As for the legitimacy of the claims, it holds no more or less 'truth' than any other indy post. The author does give an email for more info. Why don't you email the author with your complaints?
I'd disagree with you Rowan.
I think Ocean was talking about Indymedia becoming a viable competitor (not financially) but in terms of numbers.
Articles such as this damage Indymedia's creditability. Having this kind of idiocy on the newswire, makes other articles on the wire suspect, many people don't understand how Indymedia works and a first time user might see an article like this and see it as representive of Indymedia.
Rowan I'm sorry but everything about this article is bogus.
He gives no names, no dates, no proof, nothing. Claims this drastic and serious must be backed up and supported. His talk of persecution (without details or facts) is a screamingly obvious sign of paranoia and mental illness. No I'm not exggerating.
Secondly I think his claims, belittle the pain child abuse victims have suffered. And pretending or claiming pedophilia is anything other than a disease people are suffering, is an insult to those who have been abused.
Articles like this damage Indymedia's attempt to be seen as a creditble news source, and it should be discouraged.
Otherwise we rename the newswire "paranoid delusion rantings wire"
"My name is Aidan O'Brien and I'm writing on behalf of Indymedia.ie Your post makes several claims which, without evidence, are to me hard to
swallow. I'd ask you to supply some examples of the harssment you've recieved, and proof of this conspiracy, otherwise your claims seem outlandish." Aidan O'Brien
Bonjour! It's interesting that I've posted this same article on numerous sites, sent it to all of congress, and other officials, in Europe, and all over the world, yet, not once did they question my credibility? One might suppose that they wished to "marginalize" it by not attacking it?
First, I mention numerous specific attacks, incidents in the article. That I don't give times and dates, so you could verify, is a matter of legal strategy. For, if I did, then the gov't could destroy any litigation in advance by destroying the evidence you wish me to site; no?
Second, my personal evidence of being molested, taken advantage of, etc., as a child, straight through to 15 years old, wouldn't be able to be confirmed by you anyway; and I'd be placing witnesses lives in jeopardy. As well, as a mental health counseling supervisor, I'm not allowed to site evidence on my clients to the public; not to mention the fact that it would be placing them and witnesses lives in jeopardy!
Third, I'm rather well known around the world, for a poor and disabled, advocate, writer and activist; whom are you that you can question my credentials? Yet, in your country, because of the gov't's continuing tactics of censoring me, stopping my writings from being published, and attempting to marginalize me in everyway ( to the "outland", no? ), you may of not read my works or heard of me; so, by way of introduction, I'm reality! Here are a partial list of the over 300 projects, organizations, programs, et al that I participate in, do advocacy and activism for, am a member in, pass the good word about them on to hundreds of others, donate to, etc. :)
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Matutinally Yours,
reality (aja) :)
Hello! The attacks being so one-sided, so outrageous, and in support of the gov't, prove the conspiracy to cover-up is; and is working! A little lack of grammar doesn't make someone mentally ill. Not giving dates and places to protect witnesses doesn't make someone mentally ill! It's interesting that I've posted this same article on numerous sites, sent it to all of congress, and other officials, in Europe, and all
over the world, yet, not once did they question my credibility? One might suppose that they wished to "marginalize" it by not attacking it? Yet, the fact is you've attacked my article more in your above comments, and more visciously, than all the other attacks i've ever received concerning my posting of it all over the place; for years! You're fabricating that my posting is an attack on the credibility of all articles posted is a prime example of the techniques everyone on the left is aware that the gov't uses to marginalize ( to the "outlandish"? ) their victims; by attacking them! That some posters aren't even at all interested in the destruction of children to devolve our populace, proves they are aware of the facts, and are participating in the cover-up by fabricating it's incredulous. Are you not aware of the recently exposed cover-up of the facts that the child molesting priest, who molested hundreds of boys, had a position of responsibility in the Roman Church! That the Chuches' cover-up reached to very high levels, and went on for decades! Not to forget the fact that it was also widely reported that it's a widespread problem in the Church, tantamount to a conspiracy! Yet, two weeks later I post an article on the same subject involving the military, who everyone knows aren't anywhere near as well behaved as priests, and you, for some illogical, irrational reasons, call it incredulous right from the beginning! "Methinx, thou duth protest too much!" You're boring us with your confessions of complicity!
reality (aja) :)
The World's gone friggin mad!!!
By a Lunatic!!!! Ding-a-ling! Ding-a-ling! Ding- a-ling! Ding-a-ling!
The Lunatics have taken over the asylum!
The Lunatics have taken over the asylum!
The Lunatics have taken over the asylum!
The Lunatics have taken over the asylum!
> Third, I'm rather well known around the world, for a poor and disabled,
> advocate, writer and activist; whom are you that you can question my
> credentials?
I'm the guy who moderates the website you posted on, I check facts of which
you've presented few.
If I'm not statisfied that your post is true I can remove it from the site
> First, I mention numerous specific attacks, incidents in the article.
That
> I don't give times and dates, so you could verify, is a matter of legal
> strategy. For, if I did, then the gov't could destroy any litigation in
> advance by destroying the evidence you wish me to site; no?
>
Hardly, you don't mention a single specfic attack, just vague generalised
accusations. Kindnapping, assaults on yourself, don't use the word specfic.
And thats a clever argument you make, but it begs to be said what do you
hope to prove by making wild accusations on the web?
> Second, my personal evidence of being molested, taken advantage of, etc.,
as
> a child, straight through to 15 years old, wouldn't be able to be
confirmed
> by you anyway; and I'd be placing witnesses lives in jeopardy. As well,
as
> a mental health counseling supervisor, I'm not allowed to site evidence on
> my clients to the public; not to mention the fact that it would be placing
> them and witnesses lives in jeopardy!
>
Again most convient, but then by posting with your real name, aren't you
putting their lifes in jeopardy? It'd be a simple matter to get your clients
records, if they're as well organised and dangerous as you say, you've
already doomed them. Your story doesn't add up.
Yet, in your country, because of the gov't's continuing
> tactics of censoring me, stopping my writings from being published, and
> attempting to marginalize me in everyway ( to the "outland", no? ), you
may
> of not read my works or heard of me; so, by way of introduction, I'm
> reality! Here are a partial list of the over 300 projects, organizations,
> programs, et al that I participate in, do advocacy and activism for, am a
> member in, pass the good word about them on to hundreds of others, donate
> to, etc. :)
A quick check through Google doesn't really shed any more light on the
subject, none of those groups make any deal out of your name. Nor does your
name show up.
Now let me explain something to you, in my country the institualized rape of
boys and girls occured by Christian Brothers and Catholic priest, they
covered it up, and tried to hide it. My primary school principal a Christian
Brother was convicted of 52 counts of sexual assault. Your suggestion that
this kind of event is a conspiracy theory belittles those peoples pain.
I would suggest you attempt some kind of proof.
Aidan
You are not taking an objective perspective, which means you're not doing a good job as a a moderator; which begs the question, why? You can't not know about the fact that here in the U.S. it has been reported all over the place about the conspiracy to cover-up of the facts that the child molesting priest, who molested hundreds of boys, had a position of responsibility in the Roman Church! That
the Chuches' cover-up reached to very high levels, and went on for decades! Not to forget the fact that it was also widely reported that it's a widespread problem in the Church, tantamount to a conspiracy! Yet, a few weeks
later I post an article on the same subject involving the military, who everyone knows aren't anywhere near as well behaved as priests, and you, for some illogical reasons, qeustion its authenticity right from the
beginning! I've been raped, molested, attacked, as a child; how much more specific could I possibly get? As an adult I was assaulted, kidnapped, attempted murder and attempted vehicular murder, etc., have made over 40 complaints about the police officers involved, which is all a matter of public record. I've reported this to district attornies, state attorney generals, and the U.S. Attorney General, etc. It is all a matter of public record. Am I, as opposed to every other poster on this site, supposed to fax documents proving police assaults, my complaints, etc. This isn't objective of you!
james m nordlund
As well, our legal system in the U.S. is such that if I posted names of the military and what they did, a judge could throw any legal action against them out of court using that as evidence of an attempt on the prosecutions part to prejudice a jury before their client received a duely proceessed trial. Which I, admittedly only, referred to before.
Here's a couple related sites :)
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.htm
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo0.html
Viva la evolution! Enjoy a vernal eve' as you can. i look forward...
No I am aware of that the story is well covered in European media. Furthermore in Ireland
the Irish Miltary is under investigation for the treatment and sexual assaults of female recruits.
The fact that miltary personnel may be sexually assualtly students is not what I'm disputing.
Your unsubstained claims that is an orchestraed campaign by the US government to damage the
children of America is what I have issues with.
I'm asking for proof that this is conspiracy, a fact you seem to ignore while beating your chest
and claiming how you've been wronged. You're not the only poster we've asked to clarifty certain facts, clarification you're loathed to do.
Let me get this straight, your clients are safe because the governments going to have you murdered?
How is questioning your logic and statements unobjective?
Also from?
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo0.html
The CIA set up Satanic childabuse groups?
Beltaine is a Satanic holiday? It's a pagan festival.
There's only one solution for sexual abuse and that's to bring back the Ayatollah Khomeini! If the Ayatollah were still alive today we'd have no sex abuse of children or anyone else. Nobody messed with Khomeini when he was in power! Why? Because Khomeini implemented the only pure strict form of Islamic Law. I trust you all know how Islamic Law dealt with sexual perverts and rapists? Well if not, we castrated anybody convicted of sexual abuse or rape or to put it in your words we cut off their balls. That's the only way to deal with sexual deviants and perverts! Indeed to literally show his hands on approach our Ayatollah Khomeini personally amputated the testicles of many of those sexual deviants. That's why many of us gave him the nickname "The Amper Khomeini!"
{{{{{{{{{{{{ As well, our legal system in the U.S. is such that if I posted names of
the
military and what they did, a judge could throw any legal action against
them out of court using that as evidence of an attempt on the prosecutions
part to prejudice a juror before their client received a duly processed
trial. Which I, admittedly only, referred to before.
}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Thats a pathetic excuse. This is a website in Ireland, how many potential US
jurors are likely to read it. I'm fairly certain you'd be able to find 12
people unaware of what was said.
Try again.
Aidan
"Furthermore in Ireland the Irish Miltary is under investigation for the treatment and sexual assaults of female recruits." "The fact that miltary personnel may be sexually assualtly students is not what I'm disputing. Your unsubstained claims that is an orchestraed campaign by the US government to damage the children of America is what I have issues with." "No I'm asking for proof that this is conspiracy, a fact you seem to ignore while beating your chest and claiming how you've been wronged. You're not the only poster we've asked to clarifty certain facts, clarification you're loathed to do." "Let me get this straight, your clients are safe because the governments
going to have you murdered?
"How is questioning your logic and statements unobjective? Also from?"
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo0.html
"The CIA set up Satanic childabuse groups?
Beltaine is a Satanic holiday? It's a pagan festival."
"Thats a pathetic excuse. This is a website in Ireland, how many potential US jurors are likely to read it. I'm fairly certain you'd be able to find 12 people unaware of what was said." "Try again."
Aidan
Is it normal procedure for moderators to insult continually posters; trying to goad them into replying in kind? As well, your remark is totally inaccurate because anybody can access Indy Ireland site and take what is posted and distribute it however they want, to whatever end
they want; anywhere. How can an intelligent person like you seem to continually, miss these obvious facts? As well, I know Beltaine is a pagan festival, those "related" sites aren't suggested sites, and I don't endorse them; they just speak about related conspiracies, some of which I've deemed credible.
It doesn't matter, legally in the U.S., if you'd be able to find 12 people unaware of what was said, for, the evidence couls be destributed by the defense in any mass circulation manner they would choose inorder to destroy any possibility of their clients getting a fair trial; as you could easily be aware. You are aware that even in a court of law, with the best and most accurate evidence of conspiracy, only seldom do conspiracies get proven to be conspiracies; when they are conspiracies. Yet, you suggest that I have to prove it to you, online, so, anyone can take the evidence I've presented and destroy any possible case trying to prove the conspiracy in the future; with its distribution alone? As well, you're fabricating that I'm beating my chest, I'm not a simian; why the continual insults? Also, how can you say someone is claiming they've been wronged, almost every story ever posted doesn't prove its facts in the initial story, yet, do you call them all claims; attempting to assert that even the torture and rape were fabricated by me. Then, you suggest "I'm loathed to", why attribute such grandiose avoidance on me when you are completely ignoring the facts that if I prove the conspiracy to you here, it would destroy any and all attempts to prove it in any court; anywhere in the world! Not to forget, you're continual insults are not questioning my logic and statements, but, rather, imparting an air of incredulity on them; unfairly, for you've not done the same harrassement to other posters. How is that anything but, unobjective?
james
Just because one of our moderators is a racist pedophiling agent for Brit intelligence, doesn't mean you should make him look the fool, yank!
> Is it normal procedure for moderators to insult continually posters; trying
> to goad them into replying in kind? As well, your remark is totally
> inaccurate because anybody can access Indy Ireland site and take what is
> posted and distribute it however they want, to whatever end
> they want; anywhere. How can an intelligent person like you seem to
> continually, miss these obvious facts?
What obvious facts? The fact is three times, I've asked you to provide one single shred of evidence to back up what you said. You have delcined on three seperate occasions. And mate I haven't insulted you.
>As well, I know Beltaine is a pagan
> festival, those "related" sites aren't suggested sites, and I don't endorse
> them; they just speak about related conspiracies, some of which I've deemed
> credible.
>
Credible how? Why? You're utterly and consistently short on facts. And dance around avoiding the question.
> It doesn't matter, legally in the U.S., if you'd be able to find 12 people
> unaware of what was said, for, the evidence could be distributed by the
> defense in any mass circulation manner they would choose inorder to destroy
> any possibility of their clients getting a fair trial; as you could easily
> be aware. You are aware that even in a court of law, with the best and most
> accurate evidence of conspiracy, only seldom do conspiracies get proven to
> be conspiracies; when they are conspiracies. Yet, you suggest that I have
> to prove it to you, online, so, anyone can take the evidence I've presented
> and destroy any possible case trying to prove the conspiracy in the future;
> with its distribution alone?
So what do you hope to prove here, how can you, a reasonably intelligent person ( you used the word simian correctly) expect other intelligent people to believe theories unsupported.
>As well, you're fabricating that I'm beating
> my chest, I'm not a simian; why the continual insults?
Don't have metaphors where you come from then?
>Also, how can you
> say someone is claiming they've been wronged, almost every story ever posted
> doesn't prove its facts in the initial story, yet, do you call them all
> claims; attempting to assert that even the torture and rape were fabricated
> by me. Then, you suggest "I'm loathed to", why attribute such grandiose
> avoidance on me when you are completely ignoring the facts that if I prove
> the conspiracy to you here, it would destroy any and all attempts to prove
> it in any court; anywhere in the world!
Thats a fascinating catch 22 you've developed for yourself. And if something challenges my opinion or perception of events I challenge it. You gave your e-mail address up for what purpose? Why can't you take someone trying to assert the facts behind your claims?
>Not to forget, you're continual
> insults are not questioning my logic and statements, but, rather, imparting
> an air of incredulity on them; unfairly, for you've not done the same
> harassment to other posters. How is that anything but, unobjective?
>
Really how do you know I haven't? This air of persecution is a mantle you like to take on.
And this defensive attitude doesn't suit your consistent referal to the american juidical system, it is up to the prosecutor to make the case, innocent till proven guilt, yet you are the one who makes claims yet seems utterly unwilling to attempt to make a case.
Answer this question, do you have any information that you are willing to impart to back up your claims that the US government is intentially orchestrating a campaign of abuse? If so what is it?
Aidan