|
|
Blog Feeds
Anti-Empire
The SakerA bird's eye view of the vineyard
Public InquiryInterested in maladministration. Estd. 2005
Human Rights in IrelandPromoting Human Rights in Ireland |
SINN FEIN CANDIDATE CAUGHT WITH LOADED GUN national |
miscellaneous |
news report
 Wednesday October 30, 2002 16:41 by Dead Wood - Gerry Adams fan club
 1999 Cork Sinn Fein local election candidate Michael Nugent, Sinn Fein Passage West member Sean Kind, Youghal Sinn Fein member Kieran Kiely and Walter Nagle were convicted today in the Special Criminal Court of possesing firearms (THREE LOADED HANDGUNS) in Mitchelstown last year. Is this part of Sinn Feins' support for the Gardai , army and the State? Is it part of their commitment to non-violent means? Maybe Sinn Fein could let the rest of us know is it compulsory for their membership to receive arms training. Will these four be disowned by SF like the former Ard Chamhairle member Jim Monaghan and Connolly their Cuba rep? Or just forgotten like the Limerick IRA unit in Gaol for killing Gerry McCabe? Only time will tell. You cannot have it both ways calling on us plebs to support the police and state and at the same time running around with guns.
|
printable version
Digg this
del.icio.us
Furl
Reddit
Technorati
Facebook
Gab
Twitter
|
View Comments Titles Only
save preference
Comments (29 of 29)
Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29This proves just how really really really revolutiobary SF are. We have guns and we do punishment beatings and shootings.
We are not arsed with silly oul protests.
American capitalist money and our armed gang will bring about a socialist paradise for the IrisH Working class.
Some in Sinn Fein can articulate a left-wing vision for a better Ireland - the two of them probably regularly look at this site. Most of the party are just small-minded nationalist thugs.
1. Sinn Féin's policy of complete opposition to and condemnation of so-called punishment attacks and beatings is well known.
2. There is no indication that these men were order by SF to carry out anything they are accused of doing or planning to do.
3. Sinn Féin supports the campaign to bring home Monaghan, McCauley and Connolly. Sinn Féin activsits have been and remain heavily involved in raising funds and raising the profile of the issue and SF representatives have visited the three men in Colombia and will be again. The three men are very aware of the work SF is doing on their behalf and on behalf of their families.
4. The men held in Castlerea are not forgotten. SF has called time and time again for their release. Following the election of five SF TDs over the summer one of the first acts of these TDs was to visit the men in Castlerea both to brief them on the current situation and to listen to their concerns. Their case continues to be raised by SF representatives at every possible level and we see their release as an essential part of the GFA. The men are currently pursuing legal avenues.
Justin do you support the Gardai and the state?
Do you welcome the arrest and imprisonment of this armed gang?
If the answer to either is yes then please email the lads and let them know how much you remember them and then stop pratling on about being a revolutionary party.
If the answer is no then what the fuck are ye abot at all.
If a member of any Dail political party bar SF were caught sauntering about the place with a loaded gun they'd be chucked out. Why not SFers?
Politicians and civil servants regularly saunter around with loaded handguns.
Do they regularly saunter around with loaded guns in order to 'sort a fellow out' as this gang did?
Car found with guns, baseball bat
Gardaí found three loaded pistols, a baseball bat, an iron bar, a claw hammer and balaclavas on the defendants and in the car. Later, during questioning, one of the four, Kieran Kiely, admitted to Gardaí that they were on a punishment beating "to sort some fellow out".
What about it Sinn Fein/ IRA / Me Feiners? You have had the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Castlerea 7, Comombian 4 etc. How about listening to the Irish 3 Million, and give up your violence, disband your thugs, and let us all get on with a peaceful life.
the Irish population is about 5.2 million, not 3 million!
gardai carry guns, why cant ordinary working class people. GUNS FOR THE WORKING CLASS prods and taigs, we need to arm our working class communities to protect themselves from middle class gardai/PSNI rednecks.
The INLA needs guns so their 13 men gangs can attack those they don't like.
Who was Gerry Mc Cabe?
Who was John Carthy?
from justin is deafening
I'd left work I'm afraid. Much as hanging out on Indymedia responding to anti-republican smears is entertaining, I managed to find something better to do.
does it not follow that we all have a right to bear arms?
why do we live in society where only the police are allowed to carry guns, the largest states to have weapons of mass destruction?
Why can´t we all have guns?
it´s not like we´d have to use them.
and I know this is ridiculous but its logical.
Punishment beatings are bad & wrong. ANYONE who disagrees with this is not a socialist full stop. Tell Adams to keep his monkeys caged, just because he has decided to make love to the Brits instead of war, doesn't mean his gorillas can beat and maim working class kids who are already fu**ed by capitalism
Justin, I think you're one of the more honest and certainly more left wing Shinners but can you answer these questions?
1. When the names of the four were first published (January 2001 after initial court appearance) did SF contact Nugent and Kind and ask for an explanation?
2. Were they suspended pending investigation?
3. Why did one of them continue to sell An Phoblacht in Cork pubs after Jan 2001 and was seen active with SF during the May 2002 General Election?
4. Now that they've been convicted what action will SF take against those who are its members?
5. Are you a ninny?
Dear Secretary General Kofi Annan,
I strongly urge you to cancel your weapons inspectors for Iraq. Send them instead to East Cork and other points around Ireland.
Sincerely,
Cyril Ramaphosa
1. I have no idea.
2. I have no idea but on past record I would doubt it. The men had been charged but not found guilty and therefore should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. While it is possible they might have been suspended I would be surprised if this was the case.
3. Referring to the second answer, it probably means he wasn't suspended. That said, huge numbers of Sinn Féin election workers during elections are, as most people know, not formally members but supporters or friends and family of the candidate.
4. Under the party Constitution there are a variety of measures that could be taken ranging from doing nothing to expulsion. Internal party structures will decide which actions should be taken once all the facts have been ascertained. I have no idea what actions, if any, are planned, and I probably wouldn't lash them out over the internet if I knew. :)
5. :) And the 'honest' and 'more left wing' bits at the start were so sweet.
Sorry Justin, Michael Nugent wasn't just an election worker - he was a candidate for your party. Not just some guy off the street who offered to put up posters or distribute leaflets.
Presumably the Sinn Fein Ard Chomhairle had to ratify his candidature. In any case his nomination papers would have had to be signed by two or more Sinn Fein officers in order to be officially recognised as SF and have his party name and logo on the ballot paper.
Most parties have a rule that you must be a member for a certain period (usually 2 years or more) before being allowed to stand for election - although the 'establishment' parties often waive this and bring in parachute candidates, but they're normally celebrities and I don't think Mickey Nugent falls into that category (sorry no pun intended - parachute and fall ? get it?) Sorry.
So I've now started a paragraph and ended it with the word 'sorry'.
Finally, now that we're to have electronic voting in the next election will Sinn Fein be holding an armalite in both hands or an electronic voting machine decoder in both hands?
I really do like you Justin.
Sorry Alan but I think you might have got the candidate thing wrong. The procedure for candidate ratification is much as you outline(Nominated by comhairle ceantar where it exists, Cuige where it does not and ratified by Ard Comhairle) but Mr Nugent did not go through it. He was not a Sinn Féin candidate in the last general election.
He may have been a candidate in the 1999 Local Elections (Some-one else on the thread suggested as much and I don't know either way) but he was not a candidate in 2002 and 1999 predates his arrest by two years. Off-hand our candidates in Cork included June Murphy in Cork East, Jonathan O'Brien in Cork North Central, Tom Hanlon in Cork South Central, Cionnath Ó'Súilleabháin and Anne O'Leary in Cork South-West. Sorry.
See, I can do it too begin and end in 'sorry' too.
I like you too Alan :)
Justin, I never said Michael Nugent was a candidate in the general election - It is a matter of public record that he WAS a candidate in the June 1999 Local Elections. He contested as a Sinn Féin candidate in the North East Ward of Cork City.
This can be verified by going to the Department of Environment website and the link to a PDF file which gives the results for the whole country. It takes some time to download but it is there for all to check at the address below..
http://www.environ.ie/pdf/99Localvol1.pdf
You will see for North East Ward of Cork Corporation (now Cork City Council)
Nugent, Michael (SF) 166 votes. He was eliminated in the next round with 170 votes (he got four from Mairin Quill's surplus!
>>>>>Nugent, Michael (SF) 166 votes. He was eliminated in the next round with 170 votes (he got four from Mairin Quill's surplus!>>>>>>
So that is the gangsta vote (4 votes)accounted for. :-)
P o Nil said
>>>Punishment beatings are bad & wrong. ANYONE who disagrees with this is not a socialist full stop. ..... doesn't mean his gorillas can beat and maim working class kids who are already fu**ed by capitalism>>>>
Hold off Gerry and leave those kids f*ck over the communities they live in instead. Remember it will all be ok once the revolution comes. Bullsh*t
, I can't wait, living in fear.
Community policing is not a black and white issue, alough it probably is for those buffered from the worse excesses of crime in leafy suburbia. . What are your suggestions pe o nil?
Sorry for the misunderstanding Alan. You asked me how come Nugent was active in the 2002 General Election campaign. I pointed out it probably meant he wasn't suspended and noted many SF workers at election time aren't necessarily members, many are even former members. You pointed out Nugent was a candidate, not just an election worker and I assumed you referred to the general election considering the context.
Since you were referring to the Locals I have to admit to not being completely sure of your point. Are you criticsing us for choosing some-one as a candidate in 1999 when we could hardly know he was going to be arrested in 2001? I can only assume that's not what you're getting at as it's patently nonsensical but I'm not sure of what you're getting at.
Justin comrade, I give up - you're too good for me. But..... Nugent is still a member of Sinn Féin (or was up to 5pm yesterday). And I suppose the four will all take direction from the IRA O/C in jail and will probably get a Christmas parcel each from Barrack Street.
eh? if you dont understand whats going on in ireland right now, and why whay happened happened, then fuck off to the library and read up a bit on your history .. THEN come back with all the anti sinn fein smart arsed remarks, because theres a severe lack of intelligent comments in here for a shinner to reply to ...
Michael Nugent was SF Comhairle Ceanntair Secretary up to 5.pm yesterday and worked regularly in the SF shop in Cork. I know 'cause he served me when I went in there.
Justin you talk about the party having structures for sanctions. These 4 were on 'movement business' thus will suffer no sanction from SF unlike the poor bastard they were after.
Mr Justin Shinner refers to the Sinn Fein Constitution in his well versed remarks. Its a pity he and his thuggish party do not have the same respect for the constitution or its holders, the People. Can he remember the referendum that his mentors, Mc Guinness and Adams advocated to the "People?" Yes, it was called the Belfast or Good Friday Agreement depending on your pursuasion. The one that he and his kind have now caused to collapse.