New Ogra Shinn Fein E-mail address

by Sean Mon Sep 16, 2002 13:12

You can also contact OSF at this address

[email protected]

by SF hater Mon Sep 16, 2002 14:41

Why is the logo of Ógra Shinn Féin a petrol bomb?

The reason is because ÓSF are really the lumpen youth that support SF in their sectarian activities.

The petrol bomb with the flame/lily appeals to young scumbags of Belfast and the barstool republican element among the southern youth.

I'd be interested to see if someone from ÓSF could come on here and give a good reason for their logo.

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Mon Sep 16, 2002 14:45 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

I sincerely hope they have better things to do with their time than waste it trying to explain republican history and symbolism to some-one who describes himself as SF hater and who chucks in a few words of semi-personal abuse in his post.

by OK - SP Mon Sep 16, 2002 14:52

What's historic about petrol bombs? Justin, could you (or any other SF member) please explain the 'republican symbolism' behind the ÓSF logo.

I'm interested to hear it explained aswell.

by Ray Mon Sep 16, 2002 15:11

While I'm as critical of SF's record in government as anyone else, and think there are plenty of criticisms that could be made of the petrol bomb thing, this is getting to be a broken record.
Serious criticisms (of the SWP, WSM, SP, or SF) take more than one sentence.

by Sean Denny Mon Sep 16, 2002 15:14

Ray why are you such a crank?
Why cant there be discussion of ÓSFs logo?

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Mon Sep 16, 2002 15:23 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

Cranky old Ray ;) is, in this case, right. This was discussed on newswire less than a month ago. A discussion took place, views were expressed, explanations were forthcoming, we laughed, we cried, we sang and we danced. It was, really, quite, quite beautiful.

No-one is muzzling debate. The debate was had. I have neither time nor inclination to repeat debates ad nauseum and I hope Ogra are more concerned with their work than with answering the same old questions again.

by Ray Mon Sep 16, 2002 15:29

Its just it gets a bit boring when the petrol bomb comes up every second week. And its not like the 'discussion' ever gets much past that.

Its like the PFI thing in the north. Pretty much every week, someone announces, like Einstein announcing E=MC2, that SF can't be socialist, because they are implementing PFI in the north.
And every time Justin, or someone else from SF, points outs that they are only one party in the government, that they don't have tax-raising powers, and that they decided to go along with something they opposed because the only alternative is walking out of government.
And the Einstein-wannabe doesn't have any reply.

Just to be clear, I think SF _can_ be criticised on the logo and the PFI issues. Both betray flaws in their position. But it gets very boring to see, week after week, people _starting_ to make these criticisms but then being unable to get past the first step. Its like listening to a drunk who only knows the first line of a song, but keeps singing that line over, and over, and over again...

by Webwatcher Mon Sep 16, 2002 16:44

" Its like listening to a drunk who only knows the first line of a song, but keeps singing that line over, and over, and over again..."

by Ray Mon Sep 16, 2002 17:04

Is it my fault that so many people are too stupid and/or lazy to respect some basic posting protocols?

by Aisling Connor Mon Sep 16, 2002 18:54

But why do socialist SF feel they can comfortably share 'power' with the right wing of the Conservative Party?
Why stay in the Assembly? Has it brought gains for working class people? Has it stopped the violence?
It is important to criticise SF's invovlement with PFI and the excuse "it's not our fault" is bloody weak!
Stand up for what you believe in, prove your socialism, go on...prove it!

by Webwatcher Mon Sep 16, 2002 21:00

" Its like listening to a drunk who only knows the first line of a song, but keeps singing that line over, and over, and over again..."

by IMCsupporter Tue Sep 17, 2002 15:01

ray is doing a good job. thanks.

by Roland the Rat Tue Sep 17, 2002 20:41

Kiddie Provos have new email address. Is this supposed to be news?