New PSNI boss points to loyalists

by guessagain Sat Sep 07, 2002 22:23

Some of the relatives of those murdered in the Omagh bomb, are sueing both the Real IRA bombers and also the RUC Special branch, for negligence. what does this tell you about the level of trust ordinary people have in the authorities/security forces, and those who would boast they have our best interests at heart, we know whose interest they have at heart, their own, the brit establishment allowed the Omagh bomb to happen, by allowing their own FRUagent/real ira bomb maker, to make the bomb in the first place, and secondly to ignore warnings given by kevin fulton, about the Omagh bomb, why? just for propaganda purposes. certainly noone should have been making bombs or conspiring to make bombs in the first place, least of all a covert agent of the brit state.

by chief cuntstable colin crapporn Sat Sep 07, 2002 21:55

the lesson to be learned from the situation here, is never ever trust an ex squaddie/ex security force personnel, it is the one and only rule, anyone resisting the state must adhere to. why? willy carlin, martin mcgartland, brian nelson, kevin fulton all ex soldiers, who purported to be reformed,' i'm on your side now, i repent, you can use my expertise'etc, etc. all of whom were covertly working for the state, who under the direction and at the behest of the state, murdered innocent civillians and contributed their expertise at bomb making, learned whilst brit soldiers to a deadly and devastating end.

by babsdebrawl Sat Sep 07, 2002 21:44

if you gave me a gun, and details of say billy wright's movements, a plan of the route to where he would be, and told me, there would be no questions asked, and screws would look the other way, fail safe plan, all stops would be pulled out to ensure that my mission would be sucessful. i dont know who you are, but you provide me with all the above, the weapon, the info and the assurances. i dont know i'm colluding with the state, all i know is i have the opportunity to take out one of the most notorious sectarian loyalist's akin to george seawright. but becos it was so easy, the state had to be involved. the question remains why? who had billy wright become such a liability to?. it was known that billy wright had mellowed whilst in prison, maybe he had turned on his handlers, maybe he threatened them with exposure, threatened to reveal the identity of his real masters, his handlers, the brit government, maybe billy realised i'm stuck in jail, for doing the states dirty work for them, while they've washed their hands of me. we know shortly before his release Johnny Adair had a meeting with secretary of state jock mcthingy, why?maybe to negoiate, terms, 'i keep my mouth shut, and keep stumpf about my connections with mi5/FRU and their involvment in my activities, if you let me out and i'll be a good boy too'.

by Jim Bob Sat Sep 07, 2002 13:28

The Stevens enquiry was never going to get the whole truth as security forces would never allow it, but sources close to the enquiry said it had been “found that in many cases the relationship between special branch detectives, army intelligence officers and loyalist paramilitaries was so unprincipled and lacking in accountability that it bordered on ‘institutional collusion’.” (Guardian). It was also apparent that records about contacts between militarty intelligence and loyalists were shite or not kept at all, a fact that speaks for itself. Hence the enquiry has gone someway to adding weight behind the obvious - that military units worked with loyalists.
Orde is an establishment figure but he not as crap as the rest of them. Also, why try to blame real IRA activity on Brit military intelligence? What a load of shit, why not just admit that some republicans are just as blood thirsty and callous as the loyalists? If trouble gets worse it will be 'cos the loyalists are dumb and violent enough to cause their own trouble, without the help of MI5. They only need help when they are killing figures such as Pat Finucane ...

by chief cunstable colin crapporn Fri Sep 06, 2002 15:12

Hugh Orde did not admit it was UFF loyalists behind serious sectarian attacks, alan mcquillan himself conceeded that it was UFF loyalists after a grilling from the police board. Hugh Orde is certainly not impartial, under Hugh Orde's guidance the stevens inquiry into loyalist collusion with security force personnel got nowhere, and found nothing, under Hugh Orde's direction, at the time, stevens inquiry files were burnt in a mysterious fire. Hugh Ordes appointment as PSNI chief cunstable, is a reward for favours done by Hugh Orde in the past relating to the stevens inquiry, hugh orde is being rewarded by the brit government for his ability to keep his mouth shut, follow orders and his unflinching loyalty to her majesty's security force personnel, as demonstrated by his ability to not find anything substantial connecting security force personnel with loyalist murder gangs. As the new PSNI chief cunstable Hugh Orde has ordered that military intelligence MI5/FRU and special branch activity be increased and given more license to operate, instead of curtailed and be held more accountable to the ordinary public, for their activities within both UFF/LVF loyalist and real IRA republican terror gangs. So under the guidance of Hugh Orde as civillians can expect an increase in sectarian murders, assasination and violence, as Michelle gildernew is a new example of, remember what happened to solicitor, Rosemary nelson, whom the RUC threatened with death.

by chief cunstable colin crapporn Fri Sep 06, 2002 15:12

Hugh Orde did not admit it was UFF loyalists behind serious sectarian attacks, alan mcquillan himself conceeded that it was UFF loyalists after a grilling from the police board. Hugh Orde is certainly not impartial, under Hugh Orde's guidance the stevens inquiry into loyalist collusion with security force personnel got nowhere, and found nothing, under Hugh Orde's direction, at the time, stevens inquiry files were burnt in a mysterious fire. Hugh Ordes appointment as PSNI chief cunstable, is a reward for favours done by Hugh Orde in the past relating to the stevens inquiry, hugh orde is being rewarded by the brit government for his ability to keep his mouth shut, follow orders and his unflinching loyalty to her majesty's security force personnel, as demonstrated by his ability to not find anything substantial connecting security force personnel with loyalist murder gangs. As the new PSNI chief cunstable Hugh Orde has ordered that military intelligence MI5/FRU and special branch activity be increased and given more license to operate, instead of curtailed and be held more accountable to the ordinary public, for their activities within both UFF/LVF loyalist and real IRA republican terror gangs. So under the guidance of Hugh Orde as civillians can expect an increase in sectarian murders, assasination and violence, as Michelle gildernew is a new example of, remember what happened to solicitor, Rosemary nelson, whom the RUC threatened with death.

by britkilla Thu Sep 05, 2002 16:28

keep up the good work chief super.

by chief superintendent colin craporn Thu Sep 05, 2002 15:30

yes PSNI/RUC pigs were forced to admit that UFF loyalist were behind the recent serious violence in northern ireland, being guided, encouraged aide and abetted by MI5/FRU. this admission comes after alan mcquillan's failed attempt to point the blame at the IRA, sein fein, UVF and PUP loyalists, conveniently leaving out the most active and vicious terror group the UFF. the UVF ceasefire has remained intact, as the PUP are commited to peace and working with their catholic neighbours, unlike BRUTAL SECTARIAN MURDER UFF GANGS who instigated the trouble in both ardoyne and east belfast.