I think we need to show upfor this anti hate rally on Sat - regardless of who called it -

by Finghin - Socialist Youth Thu Aug 22, 2002 15:37

It would be interested to see Justin Barrett or Anthony Coughlan at that demo. In the case of Barrett I have the feeling that he wouldn't mind asylum seekers having abortions in Ireland in order to prevent them gaining Irish citizenship. It's the feeling I get off the kind of politics that he represents. I dont usually trade personal insults on indymedia but I think Justin Barrett warrants one, frakly he looks and sounds like he's been stuck under some floor boards for about 10-15 years.

I think the slogan 'Stop Racist Murders' should not be used, not because I am a racist but because I believe that in order to tackle racism effectivly we must put forward class slogans that tackle the roots of racism, I would favour a slogan such as 'Jobs Homes Services not Racism'.

I'll see if I can make it along, but I am fairly busy at the moment.

by pat c - Anti Fascist Action Thu Aug 22, 2002 15:39

I agree with Bliss, this is not a time for SWP bashing. The demo should be supported.

I have mailed AFA contacts regarding it.

I also mailed Anthony Coughlan with the details of the demo.

by Shane K - SY/SP Dublin Thu Aug 22, 2002 18:42

The main message that should be conveyed at this demo is that people have united to oppose racist attacks.

As socialists we in SY we call for and indeed state in our manifesto, " The rights and cultures of all people living here to be respected."

A good turn out from all would show a message to bigots that racism and racist attacks will not go un challenged.

I agree with Finghin on the "slogan 'Stop Racist Murders' as simply it doesn't cover the root cause of racism. Racism is created by Capitalism. Is anyone born a bigot or racist? No I don't think so. The causes of racism and the stereotyping used by the establishment must also be tackled.

I believe that what happened to Leong Ly Min was wrong, likewise the treatment of refugees and asylum seekers in this country by the political elite and the fact that they have allowed for a vacum of racism to be created is simply disgraceful and is further evidence of Capitals unsustainabilitily.

Racism will serve no one but the Capitalist Establishment.......Young people have the most to lose in a racist Ireland.

by E Thu Aug 22, 2002 19:27

Well I think that the immediate issue here is the murder of course! I don't see how it couldn't be otherwise. Now in the course of stating our total opposition to this latest murder, the real issues like the SP cmdes have listed have to be bought to the fore especially with the Nice Treaty 2 in the background to all of this.

Now one of the slogan could be "No to Racist Murders- Jobs and Houses for all", thats fine.

by solidarity Thu Aug 22, 2002 23:41

Its a serious issue, but the swm playing games with it and shouting loonie slogans through megaphones with inaudible acustics, all along the length of O Connell street will only serve to confuse ordinary people about the issue.

by Shelta Fri Aug 23, 2002 01:17

Irish racism is deeply engrained in Irish culture. The Travellers have been its victims for generations. The recent, racist, anti-traveller legislation was passed without hardly a murmur from the mainstream political groups. First they came for the Travellers.......

by Eoghan Ryan Fri Aug 23, 2002 09:06 eoghanryan at yahoo dot com

Last I read in the media, the cops were not treating this as a racist murder. They 2 people they have arrested were also questioned about an earlier assault (on Caucasians I would assume).
Given that neither the cops nor the media are the most accurate of sources (to say the leaset), does anyone have any more info on these attacks other than a GR press release?

by Carlos Fri Aug 23, 2002 13:22

.....and then they cam for the Iraqi's!

Check out this link for Shelta's enlightened views...

by Paul Moloney - Church of the Paul Moloney Fri Aug 23, 2002 16:03 paul_moloney at hotmail dot com

To hijack someone's death in order
to promote your own little deluded
ideology is quite frankly, disgusting.
If some right-wing little Tory shit
came along and tried to turn a protest
against something into a rally for
capitalism, everyone would quite
right thump the oily freak.

If you want to fight racism, good.
If you want to promote your political
agenda, fine. But don't wave the corpse
of a dead man-who probably never even
_heard_ of your group- against your
political opponents.

P.